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Leaders of Iraq's Anbar province call for U.S. ground forces to stop ISIS

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posted on Oct, 13 2014 @ 09:13 PM
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Baghdad (CNN) -- ISIS fighters stood Saturday on the verge of taking not just a key Syrian town along the Turkish border, but also an entire province on Baghdad's doorstep -- spurring leaders of that province to urgently plead for U.S. ground troops to halt the Islamist extremist group's rapid, relentless assault. The situation in Anbar, just to the west of Baghdad, is "very bad," said Sabah Al-Karhout, the president of Anbar Provincial Council. ISIS, the self-proclaimed "Islamic State" which also is referred to as ISIL, controls about 80% of the province. Reports Saturday suggest they have encircled Haditha, the last large town in Anbar province not yet in the militants' hands. Should all of Anbar fall, the Sunni extremists would rule from the perimeter of Iraq's capital to Raqqa in Syria (at least), according to the provincial council's deputy head, Falleh al-Issawi. ISIS threatens area near Baghdad Gen. Wesley Clark: ISIS fight is Iraq redux Iraqi refugees flee from ISIS To stave off Anbar's collapse, provincial leaders have asked Iraq's central government to intervene immediately and for U.S. ground forces to be deployed there, said al-Issawi.


This administration it seems is deliberately falling apart to create the horror of ISIS and watch it succeed in some morbid scenario similar to WWII.

Here Obama dithers, the Neville Chamberlain of the age. That was the guy who let Hitler rampage all over Europe that started WWII.

Its getting so bad that Obama’s chief security adviser Susan Rice went on TV and said the Turks would let us attack from their bases close to Iraq and Syria.

Then later Turkey claims she is full of crap and didn’t make a deal to let the US planes use their bases in Turkey.

Turkey denies it’s agreed to let U.S. use Incirlik air base to strike Islamic State




ISTANBUL — In the latest sign of discord between two key NATO allies, Turkey on Monday formally denied news reports that it had agreed to open a major air base to U.S. and other coalition combat aircraft fighting Islamic State militants in Syria and Iraq.  Use of Incirlik Air Base in southern Turkey was high on the U.S. wish list when President Barack Obama sent a special envoy for the crisis to Ankara last week. “Basing rights would be helpful,” Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said Friday. For a few days, there appeared to be a deal. Reporters accompanying Hagel on a trip to South America over the weekend quoted senior officials as saying that Turkey had agreed to U.S. use of the base. National Security Adviser Susan Rice strengthened the impression Sunday. “They have said that their facilities inside of Turkey can be used by coalition forces, American and otherwise, to engage in activities inside of Iraq and Syria,” she said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” But Turkey’s foreign minister shot that down Monday. “Turkey has made no decision on whether to open its Incirlik air base to the U.S.-led coalition in the fight,” Mevlut Cavusoglu told reporters in New York. A Turkish spokesman said the U.S. request for Incirlik was still under discussion, as was the Turkish demand for steps against the Syrian government of President Bashar Assad


What the hell is going on?

Obama’s administration is crumbling before our eyes

RESIGN OBAMA!

How does Susan Rice make such a mistake?




posted on Oct, 13 2014 @ 09:22 PM
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At the heart of the discord is a substantive dispute. Turkey views the U.S.-led bombing campaign against Islamic State targets as a tactical step that lacks a long-term strategy, while the Obama administration has refused to consider Turkey’s demands for steps to oust Assad. Hagel said Saturday that creating a safe zone inside Syria for Syrians fleeing government bombing, a Turkish demand, is not “actively being considered.” And Rice said Sunday the U.S. doesn’t see it as “essential.” Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan reaffirmed his demands Monday, saying the main goal of the U.S.-led operations should be Assad’s removal. “A no-fly zone and a safe zone should be set up, so we can be able to place the Syrians inside our country in these safe havens,” he told a university audience. Turkey now hosts 1.5 million Syrian refugees. Beyond the dispute over principles, an element of pique appears to be at play, with each side delivering calculated snubs to the other. President Barack Obama failed to send a senior aide to Erdogan’s inauguration as president in August and declined to meet him for talks during the U.N. General Assembly in September, sending Vice President Joe Biden instead. After Biden publicly blamed Turkey and other U.S. allies for the rise of the Islamic State and then disclosed what he said was the content of their private conversation, Erdogan threatened to break all contacts with him. Meanwhile, administration aides, speaking anonymously, were quoted by major U.S. news outlets as disparaging Turkey’s contribution to the war on Islamic extremists. The Turks are also able to deliver a snub. Obama last week dispatched John Allen, his new special envoy for the Islamic State crisis, to Ankara at the tail end of a Middle East tour, but Erdogan did not receive the retired Marine general, a conspicuous omission. And despite a personal invitation by Army Gen. Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Turkey’s top military officer, Gen. Necdet Ozel, will not be attending Tuesday’s meeting of top military officials from 20 countries in Washington. Pleading a scheduling conflict as well as security threats in Syria, Ozel was sending his deputy, Turkish news media reported. The only sign of cooperation arising from the Allen visit was the announcement by the State Department that the U.S. and Turkey had agreed to train and equip Syrian rebel fighters – a move proposed by Turkey. But some of the details appear to have been settled during meetings in Washington between the head of Turkish intelligence, Gen. Hakan Fiden, and Lisa Monaco, the White House counterterrorism adviser. Read more here: www.mcclatchydc.com...=cpy


This is a coalition of the stupid

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posted on Oct, 13 2014 @ 09:29 PM
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This is typical of Obama's foreign policy.
They have shown very little interest our allies and focused on apologizing to our enemies.

If they had any sense, they'd have made sure Turkey was on board before making this announcement.
Instead they decided that they needed this sound bite and that Turkey would just follow along quietly.
Now they likely won't get to use the bases in Turkey.

Obama and his cabinet are hopelessly out of their depth when it comes to international politics.



posted on Oct, 13 2014 @ 09:40 PM
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originally posted by: badgerprints
This is typical of Obama's foreign policy.
They have shown very little interest our allies and focused on apologizing to our enemies.

If they had any sense, they'd have made sure Turkey was on board before making this announcement.
Instead they decided that they needed this sound bite and that Turkey would just follow along quietly.
Now they likely won't get to use the bases in Turkey.

Obama and his cabinet are hopelessly out of their depth when it comes to international politics.




Just like the last several administrations.....reps and dems are all a bunch of entitled fools playing in deep water...



posted on Oct, 13 2014 @ 09:45 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

The is NO MORE MONEY in the FY 2014 budget that covers one small operation all year.



posted on Oct, 13 2014 @ 09:46 PM
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originally posted by: stirling

originally posted by: badgerprints
This is typical of Obama's foreign policy.
They have shown very little interest our allies and focused on apologizing to our enemies.

If they had any sense, they'd have made sure Turkey was on board before making this announcement.
Instead they decided that they needed this sound bite and that Turkey would just follow along quietly.
Now they likely won't get to use the bases in Turkey.

Obama and his cabinet are hopelessly out of their depth when it comes to international politics.




Just like the last several administrations.....reps and dems are all a bunch of entitled fools playing in deep water...


No.
Not like any administration in US history.

This administration is exceptionally bad at foreign policy in general and fails across the board in specifics.
Foreign policy has always been an important part of every administration in the past. It hasn't always been stellar but it's been taken seriously and effort has always been given to deal with allies and enemies alike.

This administration has been absolutely negligent in the area of foreign policy.
They've been worse than amateur for two terms and are showing no signs of improving at all.



posted on Oct, 13 2014 @ 10:04 PM
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I think there are reasons, myself....


BUSTED! Video Shows ISIS Being Trained By US Military! 100% Proof! CASE SEALED SHUT



posted on Oct, 13 2014 @ 10:10 PM
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These people need to get off their butts and do their own fighting. We have had enough of this America come and die for us BS.



posted on Oct, 13 2014 @ 10:15 PM
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originally posted by: Unity_99
I think there are reasons, myself....


BUSTED! Video Shows ISIS Being Trained By US Military! 100% Proof! CASE SEALED SHUT


When did the US military start using AK 47's? The tent could have easily come from the tons of equipment left behind in Iraq.



posted on Oct, 13 2014 @ 10:22 PM
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a reply to: buster2010

America started the war in Iraq.

America basically, with this invasion destroyed the country.

The Iraqis didn't ask to be invaded.

When countries are invaded often it has a devastating effect on the culture and people.




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posted on Oct, 13 2014 @ 10:26 PM
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agreed, there is a # ton of left over # that an iraqi soldier, could have that would resemble western uniform if he decided to turn IS



posted on Oct, 13 2014 @ 10:35 PM
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Crapola.

First off,
US tents are all over the mid east.
Tens of thousands of them.
ANYBODY can come up with a US military tent over there.
Damn things ain't worth a thing anyway. The us buries them there because the cost more to ship back than they are worth.

The trainer in "US" gear...
He's wearing a truckers ball cap and short sleeves.
That's not military issue.
It's weekend warrior crap.

Third,
Is that supposed to be a tanglefoot line?
Those barbed wire "obstacles" are not to any US military standard....ever.
The US military trains troops to low crawl. That means entire body on the ground with face in dirt.
Those clowns are doing some kind of mobile yoga under a two foot high playground acessory.

It's pretty sad when they try to use a tent, of which there are tens of thousands surplus in the mid east, a weekend warrior who got his costume from Gander Mountain and some nutbags doing the ass-in-the-air crawl as "proof" of anything.

Looks to me like an absolutely inept attempt at trying to look like they have some professional training going on.

Pretty lame.

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posted on Oct, 13 2014 @ 10:40 PM
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If, and I believe it is a great degree of hidden hand stuff going on (conspiracy), this is a huge psyop it seems that having a (don’t want to go to war “liberal”) in charge serves the secret agenda just fine.

Here are the scenarios that may occur:

The US may create an incident where they come into conflict with Syria and then we can have the neocon triple Decker war of ISIS versus the Coalition and ISIS versus Assad and the US versus ISIS and Assad, an untenable absurdity even Obama is against.
This will result in an absolute disaster and potentially a world war.

Here is what the spineless Obama should do.
Tell the Zionist neocons to go to hell

Make a deal with Assad and Iran and together exterminate ISIS.

Then goad Assad to elections in his country and the US and the allies should help Syria get back on its feet.

Also this will assist in defeating ISIS in Iraq.

But Obama won’t do that likely because he has not the intestinal fortitude to tell the neocons to go to hell..
So Obama will dither and try t please or have a middle course in a scenario where one can't be half pregnant.

Obama has to make a firm decision one way or the other

If he doesn’t his course is so crazy and out of whack its not even predictable how horrible this will end but one thing is for sure it won't be as Obama thinks it will be.

edit on 13-10-2014 by Willtell because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 13 2014 @ 10:50 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: buster2010

America started the war in Iraq.

America basically, with this invasion destroyed the country.

The Iraqis didn't ask to be invaded.

When countries are invaded often it has a devastating effect on the culture and people.




Right on all counts but you left out a couple of things. When we left Iraq we trained and armed their military it's not our fault they turned tail and ran at the first sign of danger. Like I said they need to man up and do the job themselves.



posted on Oct, 13 2014 @ 11:47 PM
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Sending in US troops would be stupid. For one it would be a massive recruiting tools for ISIS. Some of groups fighting it would even change sides. Second the US would literaly never be able to leave the region and be stuck in an internal war. It is bad enough we have conduct air strikes. Iraq has more than enough forces to deal with ISIS but, they are never going to be willing to really go at it when they think they can just run away and the US will come save them.

As for Turkey how is that we are blaming the US for Turkeys internal problems. If one part of the Turkish government is telling the US one thing and then another party is changing its mind later that is on the Turks not the US.

Lets face it we are now dealing with problems that we created. The pointless invasion of Iraq is something we will be stuck cleaning up for decades. That war even plays a role in what happened in Ukraine. While the US was stuck in Iraq Russia was invading Georgia and screwing with Moldova while the US did nothing real about it. So of course Putin thought he could act in Ukraine because before the US has done nothing.

On the positive side the damage done to NATO over Iraq has been repaired and the alliance is closer than ever. The US has made huge gains in Asia not only with its traditional allies but, with Vietnam and India along with other states in the region pushing for close US ties. And Africa has compeletly joined the US camp.



posted on Oct, 14 2014 @ 12:11 AM
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How do you fight an enemy you can't see?

Hasn't that been the problem the entire time?



posted on Oct, 14 2014 @ 04:15 AM
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a reply to: Unity_99




BUSTED! Video Shows ISIS Being Trained By US Military! 100% Proof! CASE SEALED SHUT


And where exactly is this 100% proof, because the video isn't it and you have failed to seal the case shut...sorry.



posted on Oct, 14 2014 @ 06:46 AM
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Strange....every video of IS committing atrocities is immediately labelled a fake.....one video allegedly showing US military training IS and its obviously real?

Seems to me some people simply twist the evidence to suit their pre-conceived viewpoint regardless of its veracity.

As for the OP;
Would this be the same Iraqi's who were screaming for the US to leave Iraq and let them get on with governing themselves?

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I don't know what the answer is, the whole region is a cesspit of barbarism and hate.
Sure, some of it is down to US / UK failings, incompetence and no doubt a little greed.....but its origin lie in tribal and religious hatred, bigotry and intolerance.
IS can not be allowed to prosper - the longer 'we' fail to address this problem the more difficult and bloody the solution will be....But I have no idea how to go about eradicating their threat unless 'we' adopt a gloves off approach....but would the collateral damage be acceptable?

At times like this I really don't envy our 'leaders' - there simply is no easy answer.



posted on Oct, 14 2014 @ 08:27 AM
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US citizen calls for Iraq leaders to round up cowardly Iraqi soldiers to use to stop ISIS.



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