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Criminalizing IS support and the disillusioned return home. Two teens wish to return from Raqqa.

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posted on Oct, 13 2014 @ 07:15 PM
Two Austrian teens went to Syria with the hopes of supporting IS in their Jihadi war, to restore a Caliphate and serve Allah (in their own messed up way). Well, now the chickens want to come home to roost.

An Austrian teenager who travelled to Syria to join Islamic State in April has told her family she wants to come home, but is afraid she will be unable to do so because of her association with the jihadist fighters.

Samra Kesinovic, 17, made the trip with a friend, 15-year-old Sabina Selimovic, and the pair are now thought to be living in Raqqa, the group's stronghold in northern Syria. Both girls are also believed to have got married and possibly be pregnant.

I get the feeling since Vice is reporting that the girls were "married" and now possibly pregnant, that they were nothing more than whores for jihadi fighters. Since the IS has a policy where a Muslim fighter can "marry" temporarily, they basically have comfort girls flying in from all around the world to serve under the sheets.

The girls were recruited at an Austrian mosque, probably thinking they were going to help on some mission from god, only to realize they were nothing more than a cheap hooker serving jihadi bloodlust.

In any case, the girls want to return home but face imprisonment from their government. While I can see the need to ban support of IS, and see why Austria wishes to prosecute such cases, in a case such as this, isn't this where you show you are more civilized than the likes of IS?

Any 15-17 year old could be convinced of a lot of BS, they could be persuaded in doing things nothing like they imagined. I think prosecuting them is kind of like prosecuting a kid tricked into doing something foolish. Who's the enemy? The likes of which would prey on teenagers at a mosque, to send them off to be whores in a holy war, or the young girls that got in over their heads?

They should find who it was that solicited them to make the journey and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law. In my opinion.

Austrian officials have been widely quoted as saying the girls have expressed their desire to return to their families, but are fearful of the consequences. Kesinovic is said to have contacted her family regarding her situation, though it is unclear whether Selimovic has also done so.

Now, counter-extremism experts say the girls could face severe punishment from IS for speaking out, amid claims that other foreign fighters who have revealed their dissatisfaction have been tortured.

Hookers for Mohammed: ‘Comfort Women’ Serve ISIS Cause

Intelligence officials say that women from Britain, Australia and Malaysia have joined the ISIS cause by travelling to Iraq and Syria to serve as “comfort women” for Islamic State fighters.

Officials in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, have confirmed that at least three Malaysian women are known to have traveled to the Islamic State caliphate, the area of Iraq and Syria taken over by ISIS, to offer themselves as prostitutes as part of a “sexual jihad” movement.

Whoring in the name of Mohammed, or jihad al-nikah, is something that was previously noted by intelligence officials in the civil war zone in Syria and in Egypt during the Muslim Brotherhood-caused turmoil there.


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posted on Oct, 13 2014 @ 07:24 PM
It would be irresponsible to pardon them before they have returned and their terrorist ties investigated.

I don't think the girls are going to get the assurances they are looking for.

Make grown up decisions and pay grown up consequences.

posted on Oct, 13 2014 @ 07:37 PM
a reply to: Elton

My thoughts exactly. Too bad they didn't consider all the outcomes of their going there in the first place. Romanticizing any part of a war is foolish. Muslim parents really need to talk to their kids about this.

posted on Oct, 13 2014 @ 07:47 PM
Normally I would say that they have made their bed, but I am having different thoughts where this case in concerned. Had they participated in the fighting, or had they killed anybody, which I do not think is the case, then I think this would change the entire dynamic. Of course it would also depend on how their particular country has labelled ISIS. If they've officially labelled them as an enemy of the state in some capacity, then I think these two girls should not be able to come back. I say this because such behavior was meant to support an enemy of the state, meaning your allegiance is not to the state. If you left knowing as much, I highly doubt the majority of the citizenry of that nation would want you back. So that has a lot to do with imo, as well as whether they did any fighting.

If the Austrian government has not labelled ISIS a terrorist organization, or some type of enemy of the state, then I do not think they would even be prevented from returning. Another thing to take into consideration are the mercenary laws. International mercenary laws have a number of criteria that must be met for someone to be considered a mercenary, and I believe one of those is receiving payment for your services, which I doubt they received. So they couldn't really be considered mercenaries. I think that the laws of their particular country will have a lot to do with whether they are allowed to come back.

Placing the laws aside and looking at things simply from a common sense perspective, I wouldn't want them back in my nation. Someone who would openly support such a violent group deserves no place in a civilized society. Let them live among the barbarians they sought. And the problem goes back to Islam. ISIS believes themselves religiously justified, and those Muslims who hear their reasoning obviously must agree that there is some religious righteousness to their acts of violence, which would not happen on this scale if the religion expressly forbade such acts. If a religion most are familiar with in the US, Christianity, had a group of proponents who were openly justifying atrocities through the religion, their numbers would not swell to the extent that ISIS' have, precisely because the majority of the followers of that religion would realize that there is no religious justification for it. That is my whole point, that Islam allows these things. This has much to do with this case precisely because if the religion is misguiding or convincing so many people to take up arms against non-Muslims and Muslims of a different religious sect, then even in one's own nation they must contend with these types of believers. So I say that the nation should be glad to get rid of anyone who would subscribe to such beliefs.

posted on Oct, 13 2014 @ 07:51 PM
As someone else said in another thread like this. ...they made their bed now they can die in it.
You don't get to go support terrorist in a war and come back home like nothing happened when you get tired of it or get more than you bargained for.

posted on Oct, 13 2014 @ 08:00 PM
In the US we call it the "Piss off my Daddy" mentality.

They do things to show their folks, and by extension the society they grew up in, that they can do whatever they want.

"I'll show them, I'll go be a play toy for an armed group of head chopping murderers who hate westerners and treat women like inanimate objects. That'll show em."

Unfortunately, you can't legislate stupid.

They're going to have to treat them like the traitors that they are.


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posted on Oct, 13 2014 @ 08:13 PM
Even if their intent wasn't to be some camel herder's holy hooker, then it was to serve Allah by chopping people's heads off. I don't think Austria will be missing two bright young minds like theirs.

It's their bed, they made it. Now they can lie in it with a dirty, blood-soaked jihadist on top of them.
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posted on Oct, 13 2014 @ 08:51 PM

Any 15-17 year old could be convinced of a lot of BS, they could be persuaded in doing things nothing like they imagined. I think prosecuting them is kind of like prosecuting a kid tricked into doing something foolish.

Maybe if they were 9 or 10, not 15 and 17. That's nearly an adult, definitely not a small child (as some might portray them to be as ignorant as). If you're 15 and still not old enough to know that flying to another country to join a terrorist organization might have consequences, then your parents done [snipped] up. Since when is 15 mentally equivalent to 9 year old?

posted on Oct, 13 2014 @ 08:56 PM
I can understand wanting to serve/help the divine/Allah/god/"or whatever name we create for the blessed ones" but this is insane to me.

Will their experience make them see thru the Wahhabi insanity or will they in the end create more kids that are going to follow in their footsteps?

I do have empathy for their parents thou. Must be hard for them to handle this nightmare.

I have no good idea on how this should be handled.

1 For the parents take them home.
2 For the security in Austria put them in jail(or other kind of confinement) so that they cannot recruit others.
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posted on Oct, 13 2014 @ 09:05 PM
So did they runaway from home without their parents knowledge?If so maybe their families dont want them back.

posted on Oct, 13 2014 @ 09:29 PM
Bomb them to death with all the dirty filthy scum who dare behead a westerners ass

posted on Oct, 13 2014 @ 10:33 PM
nope, sorry no do overs, make them stay there.

posted on Oct, 13 2014 @ 11:05 PM
a reply to: boncho

Nope. 17? She's old enough to know what she's doing. 15? Same thing.

I knew my responsibilities and that my actions when I was 13, no matter what my actions - good or bad, caused consequences.

You can't tell me coming from a Muslim home where no matter what type of Muslim you are - extremist or completely non - hasn't had conversations within the house or been privy to conversations. They knew what they were doing: going to support terrorism.

Now they are pregnant? No, you LEFT your country to join another and to fight against what your previous country stood for. As far as I'm concerned you're a traitor and now have to live with the choices you made. Sorry but people don't rescue out of real life situations. You want to be a grown up then you'll have to now behave like one.

How did these girls get there? With what money? They obviously didn't just leave in a split second. It took planning. I have sympathy because I think they know how screwed they are now but I wouldn't take them back. I wouldn't take the chance of inviting possible terrorists back to my country.
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posted on Oct, 14 2014 @ 04:00 AM
I have some sympathy for these girls. Maybe because I have 2 daughters and have seen them make decisions they grew to regret.

Most likely if they are not allowed to return they will be killed.

Perhaps if allowed to return they can shed some light on who helped talk them into going and how it was financed and planned, routes,layovers etc...

And they could talk with other teens about the harsh realities of their decision. The actual conditions they lived in and what they were used for and help other kids from making the same mistake.

posted on Oct, 14 2014 @ 04:28 AM
If People realize that they have made a grave mistake and regret, we should forgive and welcome them back.

If People dont realize that they have done something wrong and dont regret. They should not be forgiven and we should not let them come back.

If we dont have a dooor open for People who have made mistakes and have regrets. These People will have no Choice but to stay and keep the beast alive.

If we claim to be moraly better than the ISIS we should also be moraly better with Our actions.

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posted on Oct, 14 2014 @ 05:09 AM
Like I said in another thread some days ago, I am not supporting this.
No tax funded Jihad-tourism!
Germany wants to hinder the ones, that want to go to war, to board a plane... I think: let them go, but never back in!
Their decisions. I do not need to resocialize them with money that I earned and paid.

posted on Oct, 14 2014 @ 05:30 AM
OH man. So basically these are young girls here. They have had 1 or 2 lovers at most, and now they are in Syria with ISIS fighters ? Pregnant ?

If I was Austria I would take them back in a heartbeat.

This thread has made me really mad. Most of you are sending them to their deaths basically, pregnant and all.

When did we start killing pregnant women/children who are pregnant.

If this was a test by God you are all #ed.

posted on Oct, 14 2014 @ 05:40 AM
a reply to: nrd101

There is a real world outside your door, a world in which people are fighting, killing, and dying.

These girls made the decision to enter that real world.

That's the problem with modern society in the West, a lot of youngsters think it's all a big game, and when the situation gets too much for them they run home to mommy, I see this all the time nowadays.

Nobody is sending these young women to their deaths, they made a choice, they should have to live with that choice. Maybe some day in the future if/when all the conflict in that region has quietened down(hopefully) they can return to visit their families, but right now I think not, they have affiliated themselves with an extremist terror group, and that action has it's consequences.

posted on Oct, 14 2014 @ 05:48 AM
a reply to: nrd101

If I was Austria I would take them back in a heartbeat.

They went to another country to give support to a terrorist group and that is okay with you?

They have broken laws that need to be dealt with, just as the old saying with fire and your going to get burned.

Looks as though they just got burned and deserve what the law gives them.

Stupidity isn't a good reason to support terrorists, but it does get you into trouble as these two girls are going to find out.

posted on Oct, 14 2014 @ 05:51 AM

originally posted by: seabhac-rua
a reply to: nrd101

There is a real world outside your door, a world in which people are fighting, killing, and dying.

There's no war in Austria, or in the US. No reason they should be treated less than human.

That's the problem with modern society in the West, a lot of youngsters think it's all a big game, and when the situation gets too much for them they run home to mommy, I see this all the time nowadays.

fine god has judged you then, in my mind, and you will not be worthy of another incarnation.

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