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originally posted by: intrptr
originally posted by: Shana91aus
a reply to: intrptr
i have a feeling that we are going to have too get used to being unsure of the next few weeks over and over with all the cases that keep popping up!
At least they are telling us about the ones in Dallas… Thanks main stream media, for a change.
Thomas Eric Duncan, a native of Libera, died Wednesday, 18 days after he had arrived in Texas.
Was just musing that the longer they keep people alive in the hospital, the more changes it has to spread. Kind of ironic.
originally posted by: k3d59
Taking a break to check on you guys.
This posted yet?
Massachusetts Hospital Treating Patient With Ebola-Like Symptoms
Said updated 17 min ago so looks recent.
I would like to request that any further discussion relative to pre-symptomatic transmission to the Ebola: Facts, Opinions, and Speculations. thread; I will post there and link sourced documents supportive of my stance.
Yet the largest study of the current outbreak found that in nearly 13% of "confirmed and probable" cases in Liberia, Sierra Leone, Guinea and elsewhere, those infected did not have fevers.
The study, sponsored by the World Health Organization and published online late last month by the New England Journal of Medicine, analyzed data on 3,343 confirmed and 667 probable cases of Ebola.
Dr. Anthony Fauci, who is helping to shape the U.S. response to Ebola as director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, was asked by a CNN interviewer on Oct. 4 whether a person could be "contagious without having a fever."
Fauci replied that "the answer to that is no."
He continued: "You never say 100% but it's essentially 100%. … In biology nothing is 100%, but that's quite a reasonable conclusion to make."
Source is a relative who is a nurse (has been for a long time, and is well versed in this virus in particular) and is a patient in one of the few hospitals in the country that does have the facilities to deal with this virus.
As one can imagine, this topic is on many lips in the hospital.
It is this person's opinion that the virus is, and has been, transmissible prior to onset of symptoms.
That is the bigges lie we are being told.
The official assumptions about the frequency of fever in Ebola patients have not been challenged publicly. But Dr. Paul D. Stolley, former chairman of the University of Maryland's Department of Epidemiology and Preventive Medicine, said the matter "requires further investigation."
Given the stakes, he said, the "absolute" assumption that Ebola can be spread only when an infected person displays fever should be reevaluated.
"It may be true," said Stolley, a member of the Institute of Medicine, part of the National Academies. "It just doesn't sound very plausible to me."
Dr. Nick Zwinkels, a Dutch physician, last month closed a hospital he had been running with a colleague in central Sierra Leone after five nursing aides contracted Ebola — possibly from unprotected contact with three patients who were not promptly diagnosed with the virus.
Based on what his staff observed, Zwinkels wrote, "it seems that only measuring the temperature as a form of triage is insufficient."
He added: "It seems that Ebola can present without fever especially in the first phase."
originally posted by: signalfire
Anyhoo; the Duncan family attended a memorial the other day with Jessie Jackson there. The Duncan family should have still been under quarantine.
originally posted by: loam
originally posted by: kosmicjack
I think CNN just said the person close to nurse is now showing symptoms. Did I hear that right? Did anyone else hear that as well? Earlier they said the person was just isolated out of precaution. But Frieden did say this morning that it was possible there would be more cases.
I noticed something about this morning's press conference.
While listening to this again @10:40, I noticed he used the plural "the Ebola patients." Seems odd to use the article 'the' in this context when making a generalized statement.
originally posted by: DancedWithWolves
EBOLA VICTIMS WITHOUT SYMPTOMS CAN STILL BE CONTAGIOUS German doctors show CDC wrong about spread of disease
NEW YORK – A group of German medical doctors in a peer-reviewed medical journal article published by Oxford University Press have challenged a key assumption regarding the Ebola virus repeatedly asserted by Dr. Thomas Frieden, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta.
The researchers found that a patient showing no symptoms of the disease can still transmit a virus like Ebola by air if droplets containing the virus are transmitted to another person by a sneeze or cough.
Concerning. As many here have stated.
originally posted by: ValentineWiggin
Finally caught up.
I want to SCREAM AT THE TOP OF MY LUNGS to them for blaming that nurse.
Wanted to make some points, most have been covered already but this one
Did you notice this new rhetoric about gloves? How if she was told to double glove, then she triple gloved, then that could put her at higher risk because now she has to take off three gloves... bla bla bla gloves gloves gloves is all I hear. Then I hear it being repeated, journalists repeating this point that more doesn't always mean better concerning gloves... which makes about as much sense to me as "banning flights would prevent the countries from getting aid"...
You know what that tells me?
There aren't enough medical supplies in this country to handle what could be coming.