Beginning to thinkk the whole Isis "crisis" is just a bunch of BS

What is amazing that the policy of " not paying ransoms to kidnappers" and "not negotiating with terrorists" has back fired big time on America and UK. Because the respective governments did not pay the ransom fee for their citizens release, these citizens are dead and the UK and America are at war with ISIS.

If these four guys had been french or Spanish their governments would of paid the ransom and their citizens would be home and safe and their country would not be at war.

There is no other country apart from the USA and UK which have a policy of non-negotiation and payment of ransoms to terrorists/kidnappers. Seems citizens of the USA and UK get a bit of a bum deal from their respective governments if they get kidnapped in Syria or Iraq. Guess its not a good place to go and "help".

So lets run with idea that ISIS is not real. That ISIS history from it origens in Jordan, fleeing to Iraq after killing a US diplomat, briefly working Saddam until he found out they wanted to take him out as well and then being forced into hidiing, taking the name AlQuida in Iraq and fighting the US after the invasion, heading into to Syria to take advantage of the civil war and for brief time fighting Assad, then stopping fighting Assad and ganging up on the FSA, while in Iraq after the US withdrawl and Iraqs governemt becoming hardcore Shia alienating the Sunnis and Baath Party miitray officers who then allied with the newly named ISIS, whos combined force then blitzed the Iraqi army taking US and other nations arms, banks full of money, and oil wells, who meanwhile in Syria had beaten back the FSA with Assads help and now rich with weapons and casd then turned on him and AlQuida and hit the Kurds as well, leading to where we are today was all just made up.

This means that the US and all the nations of the West, the Arab Gulf states, the Kurds, Iran, China, India, Russia, Iraq, the FSA, Assad Syria, Hezbolla, Lebanon, Jordan, AlQuida are all secrety working together to pretend ISIS has a history and is currently doing what it is doing. Why they would all do this together is a mystery. However they would have to all be in together. Now can anybody say that is even remotely possible?

a reply to: MrSpad


So are choice then is to believe the U.S. is incompetent
to the point they can't take out 10,000 flag wavers
crossing a barren desert?

originally posted by: MrSpad
So lets run with idea that ISIS is not real. That ISIS history from it origens in Jordan, fleeing to Iraq after killing a US diplomat, briefly working Saddam until he found out they wanted to take him out as well and then being forced into hidiing, taking the name AlQuida in Iraq and fighting the US after the invasion, heading into to Syria to take advantage of the civil war and for brief time fighting Assad, then stopping fighting Assad and ganging up on the FSA, while in Iraq after the US withdrawl and Iraqs governemt becoming hardcore Shia alienating the Sunnis and Baath Party miitray officers who then allied with the newly named ISIS, whos combined force then blitzed the Iraqi army taking US and other nations arms, banks full of money, and oil wells, who meanwhile in Syria had beaten back the FSA with Assads help and now rich with weapons and casd then turned on him and AlQuida and hit the Kurds as well, leading to where we are today was all just made up.

This means that the US and all the nations of the West, the Arab Gulf states, the Kurds, Iran, China, India, Russia, Iraq, the FSA, Assad Syria, Hezbolla, Lebanon, Jordan, AlQuida are all secrety working together to pretend ISIS has a history and is currently doing what it is doing. Why they would all do this together is a mystery. However they would have to all be in together. Now can anybody say that is even remotely possible?

So let's run with the idea they are real. THREE military forces cannot handle a handful of nomads? U.S claims it will take at LEAST 30 years to defeat them. Are they super human, alien or what?

ISIS is being used by Turkey/US/Saudi Arabia/Qatar to get what they want and they have been funded and trained by US and it's allies to be used in the propaganda war to be allowed by the public to get what they want. Syria 2.0.

To say that US and it's allies have not supported ISIS is a complete lie since the borders have been completely open for the Wahhabi to go in for instance in Turkey.

And if US wanted ISIS destroyed it would already been bombed before they reached Syria. US military is not that incompetent that they would not have destroyed them if that was the plan.

a reply to: SpeakerofTruth

If we keep politicizing war, treating the destruction of the enemy as though it could be made into a clean affair, and half-assed committed any resources to it, then yes...This whole mess would take 30 years.

a reply to: AlphaHawk

Have to agree with AlphaHawk here - I'm not seeing any compelling evidence to suggest the CIA had any direct influence in a *desire* to create ISIS or ISIL or whatever those idiots are called.

As AlphaHawk said, US forces may have trained other FSA groups who THEN rejected peace and freedom and transitioned into the moronic ISIS group we have now. But I do not for a second believe the US govt or any of its sub-groups intentionally tried to create a new terrorist threat for the "fun of it" or because they were bored or [insert any ridiculous conspiracy theory here].

I think people are trying too hard to find some logical reason why they exist and how they could do what they do, given the might if the US and its allies. But truth be told, you wipe these m****rf****rs out and they just come back because it isnt 1 person or 100 or 1000 - it's an ideology that has been bred into these sorts of people for generations now, all they know is death and destruction and draconian ways of living, based on their warped view of an archaic belief structure that has no place in modern society.

originally posted by: MrSpad
This means that the US and all the nations of the West, the Arab Gulf states, the Kurds, Iran, China, India, Russia, Iraq, the FSA, Assad Syria, Hezbolla, Lebanon, Jordan, AlQuida are all secrety working together to pretend ISIS has a history and is currently doing what it is doing. Why they would all do this together is a mystery. However they would have to all be in together. Now can anybody say that is even remotely possible?

It has been said MANY times.

One things for sure though...

You'll NEVER hear this as long as you keep your head buried in the MSM sand.

Many like JFK, Disraeli, Roosevelt, etc. were able to look beyond the façade and figure this all out, why can't WE?

"Governments do not govern, but merely control the machinery of government, being themselves controlled by the hidden hand." ~ Benjamin Disraeli; Prime Minister of England

“Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day.”— Theodore Roosevelt, 26th President of the United States

Past presidents of the United States and other high profile political leaders have repeatedly issued warnings over the last 214 years that the U.S. government is under the control of an “invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people.”

According to six of our former presidents, one vice-president, and a myriad of other high profile political leaders, an invisible government that is “incredibly evil in intent” has been in control of the U.S. government “ever since the days of Andrew Jackson” (since at least 1836). They “virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both parties… It operates under cover of a self-created screen [and] seizes our executive officers, legislative bodies, schools, courts, newspapers and every agency created for the public protection.”

“A power has risen up in the government greater than the people themselves, consisting of many and various powerful interests, combined in one mass, and held together by the cohesive power of the vast surplus in banks.” – John C. Calhoun, Vice President (1825-1832)

From Washington to JFK: Former Presidents Warn About Illuminati

"The real Muslim Brotherhood is not the fanatical sheikh with his equally fanatical following, nor is it even the top mullahs and ayatollahs who lead entire movements of such madmen; Khomeini, Qaddafi, General Zia are exquisitely fashioned puppets.

The real Muslim Brothers are those whose hands are never dirtied with the business of killing and burning. They are the secretive bankers and financiers who stand behind the curtain, the members of the old Arab, Turkish, or Persian families whose genealogy places them in the oligarchical elite.....and the Muslim Brotherhood is money. "

Muslim Brotherhood- Illuminati Tools

oops wrong thread.

originally posted by: AlphaHawk
a reply to: spy66

Man, this cia creating ISIS myth is wearing thin!

Just reading this thread would have helped to allay this.

So, you wonder where they got their money from, but have you bothered to find out?

I've linked to articles about their finances before, would you like me to go dig them up?

Seems all a bit pointless, no one bothers to read them anyway!

On paper the US have known about and fallowed this Group since 1999. And it originated in Jordan.

Al-Zarqawi is a CIA trained operative who was brought to Afghansistan to fight against the Russians in the early and mid 80s. He there set up a Para military training camp supported by the CIA. Guess who else was there? Obama.

You probably didnt even know Obama was a CIA operative in Jordan, Pakistan and Afghanistan. "Officials have publicly acknowledged that Obama went to Pakistan in 1981".

NATO has their database in secret armies going since they set up the jihad against the Soviets. ISIS was funded with one single Mission. Create terror untill the public even in the ME begs for NATO Intervention.

originally posted by: noonebutme
a reply to: AlphaHawk

it's an ideology that has been bred into these sorts of people for generations now, all they know is death and destruction and draconian ways of living, based on their warped view of an archaic belief structure that has no place in modern society.

And it's a "good" idea to go to war with an ideology, right? Riiiiight. The only way to defeat an ideology is to PROVE it incorrect. You can drop all the bombs and missiles you want, won't do a damned bit of good.

originally posted by: SpeakerofTruth

originally posted by: noonebutme
a reply to: AlphaHawk

it's an ideology that has been bred into these sorts of people for generations now, all they know is death and destruction and draconian ways of living, based on their warped view of an archaic belief structure that has no place in modern society.

And it's a "good" idea to go to war with an ideology, right? Riiiiight. The only way to defeat an ideology is to PROVE it incorrect. You can drop all the bombs and missiles you want, won't do a damned bit of good.

The ISIS is not an ideology, it never have been. The form of terrorism ISIS stand for was formed out of sabotage tactics conducted by the Church, governments and military units way back in time. Terrorism is nothing New, it has always existed.

There is not really any thing different between the ISIS and NSA, CIA, US navy seals or the British SAS. The only difference between them is the propaganda maskine and how it is directed towards the Public.

You will never hear that the CIA, NSA, SAS or US navy seal conduct a illigal mission on the News. If they are mentioned they are mentioned as heros or they are not mentioned at all. Some of these People recieve honors behind closed doors.

originally posted by: Emerald53
Active 1999–present[10][11] (under various names)[12]
Ideology Anti-Shiaism
Salafiyya jihadism
Takfiri
Khawarij
Leaders
Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi ("Caliph")[5]
Abu Omar al-Shishani (Field Commander)[13][14]
Abu Mohammad al-Adnani (Spokesman)[15]
Headquarters Ar-Raqqah, Syria
Area of
operations
Iraq
Syria
Lebanon[16][17]
Algeria[18]
Libya[19]
Strength 80,000–100,000 (up to 50,000 in Syria and 30,000 in Iraq) (SOHR est.)[20][21]
20,000–31,500 (CIA est.)[22]
Part of al-Qaeda (2004[23]–2014)[24]
Originated as Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad (1999–2004)
Al-Qaeda in Iraq (2004–2006)
Mujahideen Shura Council (2006)
Islamic State of Iraq (2006–2013)
Battles
and wars
Iraq War
Al Anbar campaign
Second Battle of Fallujah
Civil war in Iraq (2006–07)[citation needed]
Iraqi Insurgency
Operation al-Shabah
Al Anbar campaign (2013–2014)
Northern Iraq offensive (June 2014)
Northern Iraq offensive (August 2014)
Islamic State-United States conflict
2014 military intervention against ISIL
Sinjar massacre
Syrian Civil War
2013 Latakia offensive[25]
Syrian Kurdish–Islamist conflict[26]
Battle of Qalamoun[27]
Inter-rebel conflict in Syria
Battle of Aleppo
Deir ez-Zor clashes
Battle of Arsal

If I may be so bold, where did you get this text from?

Was it something you pooled together, and if so from where. Or was it published somewhere?

-NoCo

ISIS aren't real??

Tell that to the Kurdish men and women fighting for their lives in Kobani right now.

a reply to: spy66

Isis doesn't follow an ideology according to reports? Yeah, ok

originally posted by: ispyed
What is amazing that the policy of " not paying ransoms to kidnappers" and "not negotiating with terrorists" has back fired big time on America and UK. Because the respective governments did not pay the ransom fee for their citizens release, these citizens are dead and the UK and America are at war with ISIS.
If these four guys had been french or Spanish their governments would of paid the ransom and their citizens would be home and safe and their country would not be at war.
There is no other country apart from the USA and UK which have a policy of non-negotiation and payment of ransoms to terrorists/kidnappers. Seems citizens of the USA and UK get a bit of a bum deal from their respective governments if they get kidnapped in Syria or Iraq. Guess its not a good place to go and "help".

Well I don't know if you heard about it, but the USA and UK aren't the only ones not negotiating with terrorists.
A german Tourist and his girlfriend/wife were kidnapped on the Philippinnes by ISIS months ago...now the terrorists uploaded a Video saying that if the Germans don't pay the ransom fee for their release until Friday morning (which is in about 6 hours and 20 minutes) they will behead one of the two.
Germany had more than enough time to negotiate with them, and try to help their citizens, but instead, they released a Statement saying "we won't negotiate with Terrorists"
So, all we can do is sit and wait here, until a video comes online were you can see that one of them was brutally murdered because no one tried to do anything about it.
It makes me sick to think that the world has become so heartless, the German Tourist said only a few sentences on that video, you could see and hear the fear in his voice, and when he ended with "Please help me Germany" it broke my heart to think that there are thousands of people in Germany and Austria who know about this, who know that if nothing happens, this man will be brutally murdered, because the government has decided that one person isn't worth it. Yet still, everyone sits at home and does nothing.

In my opinion, we should start to fight for each other. We should stand up and give the government a piece of our minds.

And to the opener of this thread:
It is very real. I agree that there is a lot of BS going on right now, with the whole Ebola crisis and all that, but this is something different.
This is real, there are people dying because of ISIS, those people are highly religious, this has nothing to do with some kind of conspiracy, everything they do is led by their religion. In their heads, they are the good ones, and we are the bad ones. In their heads they are doing the right thing, they don't even care about their own lives being at risk. It's actually kind of an honor for them to die at war.
To say that it's all BS and not real isn't fair to all those people who are fighting for their lives right now, and it sure isn't fair to that German man fearing for his life right now, knowing he has only hours left to live.

1984 has passed. War is peace.

a reply to: LOSTinAMERICA

Well, yes.... That would seem to be the "logic" of today's society. If one should so want to demean LOGIC by calling that mentality "logic."
Old Orwell trued to tell us, didn't he? He and Huxley both did, but, alas, it fell upon deaf ears and penetrated blind eyes.

Convenient . Perhaps for the TPTB ,but not for those that will be the feet on the ground .Unfortunately i believe that will be inevitable .
However what interests me is the how are they organised,sponsored ,but mostly the logistics , As has been pointed out before i am sure ISIS resupplies to a degree as they capture territory , but they are bogging down a bit lately . I am sure that AK ammunition is like sand on the beach over there , as well as RPG's i guess . It is the heavy weapons that i would have thought would be running low . They are being re supplied . Syria and Iraq have 2 common borders as far as i can tell .Turkey and Jordan , other borders are Iran , Israel , Lebanon . Kuwait . Saudi Arabia sits just out of the picture just a quick trip through north east Jordan or eastern Iraq . A supply line has to be there as otherwise the advantage they have with the mostly US weapons would soon be lost . Pretty easy i would have thought . Starve ISIS of ammunition ,lets see them fight the Kurds on an even playing field . Surely military intelligence ( contradiction in terms ) has to know the supply routes or do they not want to step on the toes of lets say ,the house of Saud . Just my thoughts . IS is like the hydra . One would not expect that defeating ISIS is the end game .The idealogily behind this will live on . Just saying