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posted on Dec, 8 2004 @ 02:37 PM
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Look at the benefits humans gained from space flight R&D. Now lets take it a step further and put a space station on the moon. We will have to over come some serious hurdles such as energy sources. Those energy sources developed for the moon station could then be used here on earth saving human lives and our environment from the ravages of war and pollution.

The big percentage of oil is used for making gasoline. If we poured money into development of alternatives we could eliminate the need for gasoline or at least reduce the need for it. At that time oil looses a lot of its value and will no longer need to be protected with the military.

So far we have spent somewhere near 200 billion on the Iraq war alone. How much more are we going to spend on protecting that oil and other oil wars sure to follow so that only a few profit while humanity suffers.

At some point in time oil is going to run out anyway. The sooner we come up with alternatives the lesser the negative impact we will all face in the future.




posted on Dec, 8 2004 @ 02:44 PM
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Here is a link showing the US and British military bases in the middle eastern area as well as the oil fields. Do not forget we have to protect the shipping lanes for oil transport as well.

www.newgreatgame.com...



posted on Dec, 8 2004 @ 03:02 PM
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Try also the book The New Great Game. Here's the link to the map of all of the locations for oil & gas reserves and pipelines. You can locate the proximity of US military installations to these resources as well.

www.newgreatgame.com...

The US is moving to secure access to the production and transport of energy because others will do the same. Aren't the French, German, and other governments backing Sudan in the Darfur crisis because of the discovery of oil there?



posted on Dec, 8 2004 @ 03:05 PM
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Originally posted by cryptorsa1001
Look at the benefits humans gained from space flight R&D. Now lets take it a step further and put a space station on the moon. We will have to over come some serious hurdles such as energy sources. Those energy sources developed for the moon station could then be used here on earth saving human lives and our environment from the ravages of war and pollution.

The big percentage of oil is used for making gasoline. If we poured money into development of alternatives we could eliminate the need for gasoline or at least reduce the need for it. At that time oil looses a lot of its value and will no longer need to be protected with the military.

So far we have spent somewhere near 200 billion on the Iraq war alone. How much more are we going to spend on protecting that oil and other oil wars sure to follow so that only a few profit while humanity suffers.

At some point in time oil is going to run out anyway. The sooner we come up with alternatives the lesser the negative impact we will all face in the future.


This may be true, but say we do come up with a new alternative? It'll just end up being the next crude oil unless everyone in the world can develop it. You're still going to have big corporations doing everything in their power to control it. Also, I'd like to think that there is already R&D on alternative power sources, there just hasn't been one found yet that works as well as oil does. I don't think anyone is just sitting around saying, "Screw it. When oil runs out, we'll just enter the dark age of Earth." It's being worked on...



posted on Dec, 8 2004 @ 05:04 PM
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Jaruseleh, you should read The End of Oil : On the Edge of a Perilous New World. Here is the summary of the book.
The End of Oil is a "geologic cautionary tale for a complacent world accustomed to reliable infusions of cheap energy." The book centers around one irrefutable fact: the global supply of oil is being depleted at an alarming rate. Precisely how much accessible (not to mention theoretical) oil remains is debatable, but even conservative estimates mark the peak of production in decades rather than centuries. Which energy sources will replace oil, who will control them, and how disruptive to the current world order the transition from one system to the next will be are just a few of the big questions that Paul Roberts attempts to answer in this timely book.

As Roberts makes abundantly clear, the major oil players in the world wield their enormous economic and political power in order to maintain the status quo. Of course, they get plenty of help from the tens of millions of consumers, particularly in the U.S. and Europe, who guzzle oil as if there is an unlimited supply. And this demand shows no sign of abating--nearly half of the world's population lives without the benefits of fossil fuels and they desperately want to be among the haves. In countries such as China and India, where energy systems are already breaking down, Roberts discusses how they are looking to oil to fuel their race for development, in many cases ignoring environmental considerations altogether.

Though there is much to be pessimistic about, Roberts does uncover some positive developments, such as the race for alternative energy sources, notably hydrogen fuel cells, which could help to ease us off of our oil dependence before a full-blown energy crisis occurs. No one book could cover every aspect of what Roberts calls "arguably the most serious crisis ever to face industrial society," but The End of Oil is a remarkably informative and balanced introduction to this pressing subject. --Shawn Carkonen

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Petroleum is now so deeply entrenched in our economy, our politics, and our personal expectations that even modest efforts to phase it out are fought tooth and nail by the most powerful forces in the world: companies and governments that depend on oil revenues; the developing nations that see oil as the only means to industrial success; and a Western middle class that refuses to modify its energy-dependent lifestyle. But within thirty years, by even conservative estimates, we will have burned our way through most of the oil that is easily accessible. And well before then, the side effects of an oil-based society -- economic volatility, geopolitical conflict, and the climate-changing impact of hydrocarbon pollution -- will render fossil fuels an all but unacceptable solution. How will we break our addiction to oil? And what will we use in its place to maintain a global economy and political system that are entirely reliant on cheap, readily available energy? Brilliantly reported from around the globe, The End of Oil brings the world situation into fresh and dramatic focus for business and general readers alike. Roberts talks to both oil optimists and oil pessimists, delves deep into the economics and politics of oil, considers the promises and pitfalls of alternatives, and shows that, although the world energy system has begun its epoch-defining transition, disruption and violent dislocation are almost assured if we do not take a more proactive stance. With the topicality and readability of Fast Food Nation and the scope and trenchant analysis of Guns, Germs, and Steel, this is a vitally important book for the new century.



posted on Dec, 10 2004 @ 01:49 PM
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Jeru: for what I said, just read the link in mrmulders sig, Mike Rupperts site, he pritty much sais the same thing as what I said.




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