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rise and fall of civilizations and reincarnation

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posted on Oct, 11 2014 @ 06:15 AM
One fear I have is that things I write online will be linked to my personal identity and people I know will find it and I will make a fool of myself, or I will paint myself into a corner by revealing too much about myself to the point where I can hardly say or do anything anymore. Technological advancement and surveillance, Internet with everything that enters it staying there, and the alienation and aloneness that drives people to vent their inner minds in such a public venue as the Internet I believe are spiritual phenomena.

Anyway, I'm going to tell about a thing here.

A weird thing happened to me that's related to this thread and that I believe was a synchronicity, God speaking to me.

At my workplace there used to be a guy that was a little bit similar to me in physical appearance and personality, yet he was different. He was Muslim, Nazi and hated Jews and Israel.

I was watching the movie The Believer. There is a Jew that is attacked by the main character who is both Jew and a Nazi. The Jew that gets attacked is "weak", unmanly etc. I have similar traits, weak, unmanly etc. The guy at my workplace who was a little bit similar to me in some ways was more manly, extrovert, strong etc.

I was watching that movie. The guy from my work calls me on the phone. I pause the movie and pick up the phone. After the call is ended I look at the screen. It's paused right in the scene where the Nazi and the Jew are standing face to face under a bridge.


This is the scene I'm talking about:

The fear of exposing your inner mind online might be what is talked about in the Bible when Adam and Eve try to hide from God.
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posted on Oct, 11 2014 @ 06:53 AM
I'm sharing what I feel might be truth. Yet it is not popular. I can almost see the faces of a lot of people reading it. I am not surprised that people that are more enlightened and initiated than me have to hide in secret societies. The situation is also reflective of what I'm discussing in this thread, with the dynamic autistic vs emotionally intelligent. That is a bit of a rabbit hole in itself. I wish people who don't like what they read would argue against it instead of being silent though.

posted on Oct, 11 2014 @ 07:03 AM
a reply to: introspectionist

One fear I have is that things I write online will be linked to my personal identity and people I know will find it and I will make a fool of myself, or I will paint myself into a corner by revealing too much about myself to the point where I can hardly say or do anything anymore.

I wouldn't worry about that intro, everyone is in the same boat and no one is perfect! If you are speaking from the heart and you hurt no one then you can say what you want, when you want. It doesn't matter what anybody else thinks. Have a little bit more faith in yourself.

I was watching the movie The Believer. There is a Jew that is attacked by the main character who is both Jew and a Nazi. The Jew that gets attacked is "weak", unmanly etc. I have similar traits, weak, unmanly etc. The guy at my workplace who was a little bit similar to me in some ways was more manly, extrovert, strong etc.

What is manly? To me it is the beast within, that is why manliness is promoted so much nowadays. Most likely it is the Reptilian brain trying to cause havoc, as usual. It only leads to destruction. Like the Nazi guy in the video wallops the Jewish guy a few times and asks to be walloped back, he needs some sort of justification for his violence. He probably needs justification because something inside him knows that what he is doing is wrong. Like the angel and the devil sitting on his shoulders, his devil is winning, but the angel wont stop pestering him until he sees the error of his ways.

posted on Oct, 11 2014 @ 07:25 AM
a reply to: DrunkYogi

I also think that manliness is a manifestation of low evolution/enlightenment, of sin. (womanliness in women might be the same) What I've been writing about in this thread is exactly why men that are manly are those who spread their genes, they have to keep evolving. The purpose of a man is to keep evolving, the purpose of a woman is to make it possible for the man to keep evolving and the man also makes it possible for the woman to keep evolving. The evolved man has merged the male and female aspects of himself and no longer attracts women, because he doesn't need to. Perhaps similarly the evolved woman might not attract men, and also causes men to become alienated and introverted, thus helping them in their evolution in that way. The genders help each other, but when a civilization dies they are not spreading their genes anymore. At my work I am constantly being teased for being like a woman. I'm usually not offended. They all stick to each other and isolate me. That is something that has annoyed me but I try to see it in a different light. They isolate me for subconscious or partly conscious reasons that I don't think are necessarily something I should get angry about, rather it might be something that is part of evolution. And in treating me in a manner that seems unfair and unreasonable, they help enlighten me, though probably not consciously. Most people seem to be doing what they're doing in the evolution like this unconsciously. Which makes me think of this quote:

Metaphysics Main article: Platonic realism "Platonism" is a term coined by scholars to refer to the intellectual consequences of denying, as Plato's Socrates often does, the reality of the material world. In several dialogues, most notably the Republic, Socrates inverts the common man's intuition about what is knowable and what is real. While most people take the objects of their senses to be real if anything is, Socrates is contemptuous of people who think that something has to be graspable in the hands to be real. In the Theaetetus, he says such people are "eu a-mousoi", an expression that means literally, "happily without the muses" (Theaetetus 156a). In other words, such people live without the divine inspiration that gives him, and people like him, access to higher insights about reality. Socrates's idea that reality is unavailable to those who use their senses is what puts him at odds with the common man, and with common sense. Socrates says that he who sees with his eyes is blind, and this idea is most famously captured in his allegory of the cave, and more explicitly in his description of the divided line. The allegory of the cave (begins Republic 7.514a) is a paradoxical analogy wherein Socrates argues that the invisible world is the most intelligible ("noeton") and that the visible world ("(h)oraton") is the least knowable, and the most obscure. Socrates says in the Republic that people who take the sun-lit world of the senses to be good and real are living pitifully in a den of evil and ignorance. Socrates admits that few climb out of the den, or cave of ignorance, and those who do, not only have a terrible struggle to attain the heights, but when they go back down for a visit or to help other people up, they find themselves objects of scorn and ridicule. According to Socrates, physical objects and physical events are "shadows" of their ideal or perfect forms, and exist only to the extent that they instantiate the perfect versions of themselves. Just as shadows are temporary, inconsequential epiphenomena produced by physical objects, physical objects are themselves fleeting phenomena caused by more substantial causes, the ideals of which they are mere instances. For example, Socrates thinks that perfect justice exists (although it is not clear where) and his own trial would be a cheap copy of it. The allegory of the cave (often said by scholars to represent Plato's own epistemology and metaphysics) is intimately connected to his political ideology (often said to also be Plato's own), that only people who have climbed out of the cave and cast their eyes on a vision of goodness are fit to rule. Socrates claims that the enlightened men of society must be forced from their divine contemplations and be compelled to run the city according to their lofty insights. Thus is born the idea of the "philosopher-king", the wise person who accepts the power thrust upon him by the people who are wise enough to choose a good master. This is the main thesis of Socrates in the Republic, that the most wisdom the masses can muster is the wise choice of a ruler.

Theory of Forms

The theory of Forms (or theory of Ideas) typically refers to the belief that the material world as it seems to us is not the real world, but only an "image" or "copy" of the real world. In some of Plato's dialogues, this is expressed by Socrates, who spoke of forms in formulating a solution to the problem of universals. The forms, according to Socrates, are archetypes or abstract representations of the many types of things, and properties we feel and see around us, that can only be perceived by reason (Greek: λογική). (That is, they are universals.) In other words, Socrates was able to recognize two worlds: the apparent world, which constantly changes, and an unchanging and unseen world of forms, which may be the cause of what is apparent.

This is why I have speculated that what is called "low emotional intelligence" or "inability to 'mentalize'" is Newspeak for, or is also, enlightenment or evolvement.

I think Hitler might have been right when he said that Jews are "culture destroyers". I'm not sure all Jews would disagree.
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posted on Oct, 11 2014 @ 07:54 AM
a reply to: introspectionist

I tend to think that the perfect human would be androgynous. That would maybe take care of the sexual lust element that so often overcomes human beings. I also tend to think that personal experience's of being isolated for being different are just that, personal. It seems to be a teaching mechanism and as you said intro, the people doing the isolating are probably unaware of their part in the process. We have probably all been used to teach people certain friend's etc our whole life and been blissfully unaware that we have done so.

As for Plato, forms are everywhere around us. They are most likely the projections of the mind into what we think is real but is truly Maya, illusion. That is why everything in material existence perishes, only true reality can endure. We live in a Matrix like existence, caught in the dream of phantasmagoria. There are people at work 24/7 trying to keep us in the dream, maintain the illusion. Their time is short and coming to an end. Like Philip K Dick said, the empire never ended. But soon it will.

I have to go out for a while intro, i will come back to the thread later on. It's nice to chat with you.

posted on Oct, 11 2014 @ 08:45 AM
a reply to: introspectionist

One thing I have been wondering about is this. When you have ascended, will you then discover that all of the civilization that surrounded you was in fact yourself?

"Ascending" reminds me of something Daniel Jackson from Stargate SG1 would do. Instead, ever try to remember a song that you know but you can't just pull the name out of your head? That moment when you remember, the feeling at that very instant, take that and multiply it by a mazillion(yes I made that up). That is when you find the answer to your question, when you start to find out just how you fit in.

posted on Oct, 11 2014 @ 03:09 PM
a reply to: QuietSpeech

The reason I'm wondering is because after I had done a couple of good deeds I had a short psychotic episode, similar to a psychedelic experience, where I felt that the people in my outer world are part of me, or reflections of myself like mirrors in a house of mirrors or something.

posted on Oct, 11 2014 @ 03:39 PM
a reply to: introspectionist

I would suggest that is because they are intro. It sound's like you are going through some sort of spiritual change. Maybe Kundalini rising. You don't want it rising too quickly and you will want to be ready for it. Check these out.........
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posted on Oct, 11 2014 @ 03:54 PM
a reply to: DrunkYogi

I don't know, maybe. I have been thinking I might have had autism that shifted to schizophrenia, or I was always latently schizophrenic and had my first "psychotic break" last year and has had a mild version of schizophrenia ever since. Or maybe I am just "schizotypal", perhaps I have schizotypal autism. I have no idea. Last year I had an experience that I thought at the time might have been kundalini rising. I saw/felt something inside me rising and it appeared to be moving in stages, taking pauses at what I thought were the chakras. I don't know if saliva is relevant to kundalini but during my experience, which was drug enhanced or perhaps induced, I felt that holding out the swallowing reflex made the climbing progress stronger. Somewhere at head level I felt what might be the "nectar of the gods" where I felt almost as if I was going to die yet something sweet, all of it connected with not swallowing for some reason. Afterwards I felt as if walking in a ghost world or a world of evil spirits for a while.
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posted on Oct, 11 2014 @ 04:02 PM
a reply to: introspectionist

Did you feel as if your tongue wanted to roll back in your mouth?

posted on Oct, 11 2014 @ 04:11 PM

originally posted by: DrunkYogi
a reply to: introspectionist

Did you feel as if your tongue wanted to roll back in your mouth?
I don't really remember. I don't remember feeling as if the tongue wanted to roll back in my mouth. I think there was some kind of weird feeling, almost pulsing, where the swallowing reflex affected something in the mind. The gradual build-up of saliva had some psychological effect and when I finally swallowed automatically because the body made it happen despite my mind not giving it permission that affected the mind too. Either that or I just had a wild imagination, who knows. I remember that the whole thing felt very much like a journey. It felt like the journey of Jesus or something out of the Bible. I also think I felt as if I saw symbols. Again, it might be related to those things or it's all something my imagination made up. The feeling afterwards was strange. As I said, it felt as if having ghosts in the room. And the feeling was spooky, kind of a paranoid chilly feeling. If I'm not mistaken I also felt as if ghosts or beings in other dimensions did something to me, like touched me or something.

posted on Oct, 11 2014 @ 04:18 PM
a reply to: introspectionist

You could check this out anyway intro just in case it triggers any memories.

Kechari Mudra

Ramakrishna said, "When the divine goddess comes up, the tongue rolls back."

I know it mat not be your thing intro just don't get too caught up in the Goddess thing etc. Different people will call it different thing's according to their upbringing.

posted on Oct, 11 2014 @ 04:32 PM
a reply to: DrunkYogi

Thanks. I'll look into it. The tongue might have rolled back. I have been thinking about trying something like yoga or chigong apart from the casual not-so-effective mindfulness meditation I've been doing. Or taking a meditation class to step up a level. I've also tried Muslim prayer and fasting. I was interested in drugs for a while but don't do that anymore, which is just as well on this forum where you can't discuss that, if it's illegal use that is.

posted on Oct, 12 2014 @ 12:27 AM
a reply to: introspectionist

The AYP site has just about everything you need to know about meditation intro. Good luck!

posted on Oct, 12 2014 @ 02:13 AM
It doesn't seem like much I've written here interests people. But anyway, as for the link I drew between mindfulness meditation, cultural Marxism and crony capitalism this might be interesting:

And as for why I think that you reincarnate to the same civilization and not a random one, I don't really have an answer. Everything is just at hypothesis stage, I was more looking to ping-pong the thoughts with others as opposed to merely between the walls of my skull.

Then there is the text I linked to before. I have only read a part of it because it was a lot more boring than I anticipated. But others might enjoy it:

I found this video right now, gonna listen to it right now while drinking coffee:

Personally I find John Lash somewhat suspect. He has talked about Jews being carriers of an "archontic infection" and sounds a bit anti-semitic. He has said that Jews have a form of paranoid schizophrenia if I'm not mistaken, which might be true though. People's idea of schizophrenia might be full of errors though. John Lash introduced me to Robert Sapolsky. Here he is talking about toxoplasmosis, which John Lash says might be something like what Jews carry. I don't know about that.

I found this text online:

mental illness is highly contagious and Jews are the principal sources of infection.

every Jew is born with the seeds of schizophrenia and it is this fact that accounts for the world-wide persecution of Jews.

Schizophrenia is the fact that creates in Jews a compulsive desire for persecution.

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posted on Oct, 12 2014 @ 03:06 AM
I mentioned that the world is moving gradually from many civilizations to fewer and perhaps ultimately to one. I asked if this might be a sign of ascension from one soul up into a collective soul. In Kabbalah there is the concept of Adam Kadmon and Adam ha Rishon, some kind of "world" that is also a collective soul, if I'm not mistaken. Sounds a little bit like the feeling I had when I was psychotic, which did feel like an ascension of sorts.

Here's a map of the soul/mind based on Bashar's teachings, that may or may not be accurate. Personally I find Bashar more than a little suspect, but anyway.

And here's an article talking about a very similar thing:

One of the first threads I posted on this forum was entitled "the New World Order is a state of consciousness".

As for my idea that the more evolved a nation is the more pronounced the crony capitalist it is, here's a relevant video, with Michael Laitman, another guy who may or may not be trustworthy, I'm leaning towards the latter but I don't trust anyone.

The same guy says in this video (below) that Jews for the most part are unaware that they have a special connection to God and that they receive a call that awakens them to who they are, and after that they are sent the instructions for their mission on Earth similar to Jason Bourne in The Bourne Identity, who wakes up on a fishing boat after having been unconscious and then gradually finds more and more clues about who he is. Great movie by the way. To me Michael's description of Jews being unaware of who they are and then receiving "a call" sounds a lot like someone with autism, schizotypal disorder, latent schizophrenia or something similar who is merely odd and ostracized, later to have a "psychotic break".

Here's a trailer of that movie for your convenience: (not possible to embed it)

In the context of Jews and schizophrenia I find it highly interesting to listen to Robert Sapolsky that I mentioned earlier. As I said I found him through John Lash, who appears to be somewhat hostile to Jews. Robert Sapolsky is a Jew, he grew up in a strict orthodox Jewish home but is now totally secular/atheist and has no spirituality at all he says. I have found that a lot of people with Asperger's are totally left brain focused, similar to Robert Sapolsky, although he comes across as socially relaxed and well-adjusted, but totally left brain dominant. I myself was kind of left brain dominant until my shift, where I seem to have shifted over to more right brain. I don't know if I had Asperger's or have still. There's also a diagnosis called schizotypal autism, which is said to be similar to Asperger's but originate from a schizotypal spectrum, rather than an autistic spectrum. According to wikipedia it's an extremely rare neurodevelopmental "disorder". Robert Sapolsky has spoken about schizotypy among other interesting things. Here are some videos. Enjoy. (or not)

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posted on Oct, 12 2014 @ 06:08 AM
I wonder if the outer world with politics etc. pushes the individual into a certain state of mind, or if it's the other way around; the state of mind of the individual projects out into the outer world that they perceive. In Kabbalah there is something called "klipot". I don't know a lot about it but to me it seems to correspond quite well to the right-left paradigm in politics, with America and the Soviet Union, or Muslims and Jews. When I think about this I always like to watch this clip:

Here's that guy Michael Laitman again. I'm starting to get sick of seeing his face, but what can I do:

posted on Oct, 14 2014 @ 01:44 AM
a reply to: introspectionist
As I am like totally enlightened and stuff, I can answer your sort of questions, and it just so happens that I stumbled upon this post and feel like doing so.

Civilizations rise and civilizations fall, like everything else, Its normal.

Also I think your thinking to much on things. What it all is, is simple everything you see around you all your fears and all your hopes, all the bad and all the good in the world even all the bizarre unexplainable things are merely just reflections of your soul. And you will play it all out till eventually you get it, it may take a few lifetimes or a few hundred billion lifetimes times that many more, but you will get it eventually, failure is not an option, never was. And if you want to break the cycles of samsara...Well good luck with that.

posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 01:24 AM
a reply to: introspectionist

You will find that lesser developed nations exhibit emotional maturity where threats to ones life are commonplace, where they experience the spectrum of fear in their emotional development, in comparison to the sheltered child on his computer, in a cushy house, living in a modern civilisation.

If you think about love, really, this only occurs and is exhibited when one is suffering, when the child is safe and secure, there is no such avenue to display such emotion, when one experiences loss, one can feel sadness, however, when one has everything they want, there aren't many avenues for this emotion either. When one fights, one experiences anger, however, again, when one lives in a society generally free from violence, there is no place for anger either.

When one experiences these emotions, they become familiar to them, and thus, they develop maturity in respect to these emotions and experiences.

There are other emotions that we would experience in the developed world, that are not generally experienced in the developing world - we are mature when we deal with jealousy and envy, and mature when we experience greed, whereas, in a poorer area, they would not be able to handle such emotions and would likely not be able to cope with too many possessions, likely becoming insecure and paranoid, and over-indulgent if they were to suddenly have expansive wealth and access to inexpensive food.

In the opposite respect, if we were to experience substantial fear, most likely, we would become lame and apprehensive as opposed to being assertive.
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posted on Oct, 18 2014 @ 03:49 AM
a reply to: SystemResistor

Very interesting point.

I have been thinking about similar things. For example this is found in the book The Prince by Niccolò Machiavelli:

If you act virtuously, you will be undone by those who are not, make use of this or not according to need.

I have been thinking about this in the context of migration patterns. Maybe the people that move out of Muslim countries into the West are generally not the most spiritual, the most God-fearing. Because when for example poverty or war comes to their home area they don't stay and are grateful for what they have or take it as an ordeal from God, possibly even die a martyr death for their faith and for God. Instead they move. That move to a more civilized area is not all that different from how someone of low income, with a menial job etc. would work himself up the hierarchy into a higher pay, to have a bigger home, a car instead of a bicycle etc. Which makes me think of this Bible quote:

Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Yet the Quran talks about how God lifts up whoever he wishes and humbles whoever he wishes. And the Bible says that the kings and rulers are such by permission of God. Did they get there because they were God-fearing or did they get there because they were sinning? Just some thoughts.

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