rise and fall of civilizations and reincarnation

I have been wondering if there is a connection between the rise and fall of civilizations and reincarnation of souls.

Maybe a soul that comes into the physical plane, hell, enters it and begins the correction of sin. At first only slowly, to a low degree, and then more and more as time progresses and as the soul keeps reincarnating back to the same physical plane. Maybe a soul enters the world in a civilization that is being born, then in later incarnations it's in the same civilization as it's rising. And when a civilization is declining it is the phase where the souls that are finished with the correction are separated from souls that will come back. Maybe a soul that does come back after the civilization has fallen comes back in another civilization that rises.

I have been thinking about autism. To me autism does not seem to be either/or, either you have it or you don't. Rather it's a spectrum that everybody is on. It might even be the exact same thing as the size of the ego, or emotional intelligence inverted. It seems to me that the least evolved nations are the most emotionally intelligent and vice versa. And this appears to go hand in hand with crony capitalism to some degree. The least evolved nations have free market capitalism. The most evolved the most pronounced crony capitalism. Israel seems to be synonymous with crony capitalism. And Israel also appears to have the same traits that an autistic has relative to the surrounding Gentile "neurotypical" nations.

The politicians that push things like feminism are not only subverting societies and making a civilization fall, they are also creating autistic citizens. Or rather, some of the citizens turn out that way. Some become infuriated and want to fight instead.

Maybe a similar divide happened in the fall of every civilization? One part was infuriated and fought, one part cooperated happily with the subverting forces, and a third part got more or less autistic.

Since history is written by the victors, it's not likely that much traces will be found of the autistic people, who aren't fighter types. Especially not if the mighty victors considered their thoughts inappropriate to be kept in public memory or for public display.

What I'm saying is that maybe the losers are the real winners, and the winners are the losers.

I have some other thoughts about the connection between crony capitalism and evolution that I might post some time. But what do you think about the possible connection between reincarnation and the rise and fall of civilizations? Is there a connection? And what does it mean for the souls and their reincarnations that the world appears to be moving gradually from many civilizations to fewer and ultimately to one? Is this a sign that we are ascending? Maybe from one single soul up into a collective soul and closer to God?

a reply to: introspectionist

If reincarnation and nirvana is true, maybe civilizations rise as the people get better, then there is a rapture of enlightened souls being brought up out of this realm, leaving everyone else scrambling behind them to persist in their new darkened state, leading to a collapse of civilization. Rinse and repeat. It does seem; however, that after every collapse of a major civilization, the next one to follow it is even better yet and the baseline level of common decency is elevated. So, maybe someday we'll all hold hands together as we leave this place behind.

a reply to: introspectionist

I do not believe in reincarnaton but what makes you think that Souls are reincarnated when a Civilization rises or falls?
I mean why not randomly or if there is some sort of pattern, in different time periods / dimensions?

originally posted by: Hellas
a reply to: introspectionist

I do not believe in reincarnaton but what makes you think that Souls are reincarnated when a Civilization rises or falls?
I mean why not randomly or if there is some sort of pattern, in different time periods / dimensions?

Well, let me think. A number of thoughts and hypotheses that have circulated in my head for some time, the connection between which befuddles me.

I have been studying this map:

upload.wikimedia.org...

The same areas that the creator of the map considers the most enlightened are the areas with the most crony capitalism and with the highest rates of depression and autism, among other things.

Here is Noam Chomsky talking about the alienation that crony capitalism is connected with:



There does seem to be an evolution of humanity towards more crony capitalism and more alienation/depression/autism. While I guess an individual can't be more or less crony capitalist, an individual can be more or less "corrupt" in the sense of being more or less connected to others.

I thought that if there is a difference in degree of evolution between nations that can be seen in it's degree of crony capitalism, and if crony capitalism entails alienated and depressed citizens, then maybe there is also a difference of degree of evolution of individuals within a nation which can be measured in a similar way, by how alienated they are.

I have then been thinking of how some people after waking up walk the path of resistance, while others clam up and don't find anything of value to fight for. I have been wondering why that is. And what the meaning is of Muslim immigration into the West and Jewish influence from the top.

How some people, those with high emotional intelligence, support systems that cause a minority to be pushed off the edge.

And many other things, those are some of the most important. Don't know if I made any sense, I'm tired. It just seemed like a logical step in my thoughts to take that there might be a connection between the rise and fall of civilizations and reincarnation of souls.

Hi, "common passerby" here... What if those currently on 'The Spectrum' are actually further advanced and they're waiting on the rest of humanity to 'catch up'? "The meek shall inherit the Earth..." Each seems to have a hidden talent, whether it be music, mathematics, science, etc. and then there are some that aren't 'cultivated' and they get sent to the corner to chew leather...

Could One ask: Do You mean that when they 'pass over' When they left, they had such a crappy taste from ALL the crap that they want to just "block it out" this time around? What if One had an attachment to curing Aunt Mary's rheumatism and when it was "time to go" that is what they were "attached" to and then the next time around, they can't figure out why they give 2 squirts about rheumatism??? Now what if the 'E lite" KNEW of re-incarnation and KNEW it to be fact? Would they 'skew' things in their favor? If "Yes" what do You think they would do?

What if before You took a Body, You chose Your own death? And then to "scrub Your Soul" You'd incarnate in a Body/vessel that would further cleanse Your Soul for Your own evolution?

Way better than buying a crappy sweatshirt that reads YOLO.. What a crock..

namaste

The rise in awareness creates a shift and the society evolves creating a new baseline.

I do not think of crony capitalism as evolved but a deevolved thing that humanity have not gotten past yet. The power pyramid have been existing for a very long time in human society and even if people call it democracy the power pyramid still exists in the background by controling the flow of information and propaganda. The controllers of the economy is the new feudal lords who rule in the corporate even facist system.

The day we get real meritocracy is the day we solve problems for the good of all and not just to keep the rulers in their spot controlling everyone else.

It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.

Henry Ford

The Robber barons are not a new thing.

And if you believe in the star seed movement then there are waves of higher level souls incarnating on this level now for their own reasons.

a reply to: introspectionist

Awareness of crony capitalism -> more alienation/depression/autism/disconnection from the system.

If the person is indoctrinated and cannot see the injustice the person can handle it being there since the person do not see it/acknowledge it.

originally posted by: introspectionist
I have been wondering if there is a connection between the rise and fall of civilizations and reincarnation of souls.

Maybe a soul that comes into the physical plane, hell, enters it and begins the correction of sin. At first only slowly, to a low degree, and then more and more as time progresses and as the soul keeps reincarnating back to the same physical plane. Maybe a soul enters the world in a civilization that is being born, then in later incarnations it's in the same civilization as it's rising. And when a civilization is declining it is the phase where the souls that are finished with the correction are separated from souls that will come back. Maybe a soul that does come back after the civilization has fallen comes back in another civilization that rises.

I have been thinking about autism. To me autism does not seem to be either/or, either you have it or you don't. Rather it's a spectrum that everybody is on. It might even be the exact same thing as the size of the ego, or emotional intelligence inverted. It seems to me that the least evolved nations are the most emotionally intelligent and vice versa. And this appears to go hand in hand with crony capitalism to some degree. The least evolved nations have free market capitalism. The most evolved the most pronounced crony capitalism. Israel seems to be synonymous with crony capitalism. And Israel also appears to have the same traits that an autistic has relative to the surrounding Gentile "neurotypical" nations.

The politicians that push things like feminism are not only subverting societies and making a civilization fall, they are also creating autistic citizens. Or rather, some of the citizens turn out that way. Some become infuriated and want to fight instead.

Maybe a similar divide happened in the fall of every civilization? One part was infuriated and fought, one part cooperated happily with the subverting forces, and a third part got more or less autistic.

Since history is written by the victors, it's not likely that much traces will be found of the autistic people, who aren't fighter types. Especially not if the mighty victors considered their thoughts inappropriate to be kept in public memory or for public display.

What I'm saying is that maybe the losers are the real winners, and the winners are the losers.

I have some other thoughts about the connection between crony capitalism and evolution that I might post some time. But what do you think about the possible connection between reincarnation and the rise and fall of civilizations? Is there a connection? And what does it mean for the souls and their reincarnations that the world appears to be moving gradually from many civilizations to fewer and ultimately to one? Is this a sign that we are ascending? Maybe from one single soul up into a collective soul and closer to God?

And where does the government injecting kids with poisions via vaccines and making them autistic come into play? Are those people choosing to come here and be immmobilized?

If you think about it, if all of this crap wasn't happening would we even be discussing waking up ? I don't think so. We would be going through another ordinary life without looking for a higher meaning. Don't get me wrong, i do not condone any of the stuff happening in the World today but i can't help thinking it is for the greater good. Without darkness you would not see the light. Whether they realize it or not the NWO are being used to further the spiritual needs of the meek. God is a man with a plan!

a reply to: DrunkYogi

Yes, finally someone who seems to be seeing what I see. We are in a minority among truth seekers it seems.

a reply to: introspectionist



It looks to me like the end of the age intro, the Kali Yuga where the Devil is let loose to play for a while. It separates the wheat from the chaff. Some will rise and some will fall, but the one's that fall may very well rise next time and so on. For those that rise to a higher spiritual existence there may well another form of the cycle to reach to even higher planes and then to their final destination. Whatever that may be.

Nice article here........

THE KALI YUGA
jhaines6.wordpress.com...

I can see that I don't get many stars on this forum a lot of times. It seems like I am politically incorrect even among the politically incorrect. Which I see as a good thing.

Anyway, I don't know if I will post another thread on crony capitalism and evolution. But I don't have anything to do at the moment, and it seems like those ideas are relevant so I'll write some stuff right now. I haven't composed any text in advance so I'll just shoot from the hip as I extract some random ideas from the soup called my mind.

It seems to me that politics is driven by different interests at different levels. At the lowest level there are the most naive people, the ideologues, the people who actually believe they can change the system. And they might be able to change the system somewhat at their low level of society. Higher up are those who have risen above the left-right paradigm. A lot of them are probably to a large extent driven by greed. And even higher than them are those who use the greed-driven group as their puppets, and they have enlightenment of humanity in mind.

I'm thinking of spiritual philosophies such as Buddhism and meditation practices. In mindfulness meditation, the way to deal with fears in the subconscious is by letting it rise out of the depths of the subconscious into the conscious awareness, and then holding it there however ugly and disturbing it might be, until the fear begins to calm down by itself. As long as that which we fear is in the subconscious it stays active. When it is held in the conscious it erodes. And the entire individual experience is only triggered by the outer world, the experience itself is internal. That's why the things we encounter in our outer world cause our own minds to react in ways that tell us something about ourselves as much as it tells us something about the outer world. As a matter of fact, we probably can only be sure of what it tells us about ourselves, what it, the outer world, really and actually is, is something we probably can't be sure of. We probably can't even know if it exists at all or if it is a projection of our own mind.

With this in mind I think that politics that are totally "Islamic" if you will, or totally conservative, that have no element of corruption or revolution whatsoever to it, is not only probably unrealistic or impossible, but probably also undesirable from a spiritual evolutionary perspective. It is not going to ever expose you to your inner fears, all the dirt in your subconscious mind that you need to work on.

Compare this to technological evolution. If nobody ever constructed the radar, and nobody ever fought against forces that had radars, there would never have been stealth airplanes. Without opposition there is stagnation.

Learn from Darkness to Shine Your Brightest Light

We may regard those who hurt us as our adversaries, yet they are also our friends, because they force us to grow wiser. Our adversaries are the impetus or impelling force that helps us evolve. These adversaries bring awareness to our deepest fears and unconscious beliefs. When we can bring awareness to these hidden parts of ourselves, the things which we avoid can become our gateway to growth and healing. Our antagonizer is our helper.

The people who you struggle with will only be forcing you to dig deeper into your inner wellspring of lightness, love, and inner peace. The gems you find inside yourself will bring an even higher awareness, allowing others to respond from a more empowered loving space. When you start recognizing the divine within yourself and in everyone, then everyone you meet becomes a divine teacher showing you exactly what you need to learn next on your life journey.

source: www.mindreality.com...

Feminism, socialism, the corruption of morals and all the things that the elite are pushing do at one level increase the power of the elite and decrease the power of a lot of people. But there is another dimension to it. Despite that these policies might seem to be about liberation of the individual and about decreasing egoism, they are really policies that in the long run increase bondage and makes the ego grow. But I think this is good. We see for example the feminization of men in the West. I think this is a result of correcting the ego, correcting sin. In a very liberal society, and morally corrupt, it is very hard for some men to attract women. They will eventually not even want women anymore. In less evolved countries you have no or almost no tax and Islam seems to me to be the only ideology that makes sense in such an environment. As more crony capitalism evolves you have a lot of "negative" effects of that. But all of the negative effects are also enlightening. It comes to a point where you hate people, and where you look at the previous generation and see how low their ability to abstraction is, how they only see what's right in front of their eyes. I believe the fear is what caused the ability to insight. Being well-adjusted goes hand in hand with lack of insight, lack of depth of vision. The insightful is not of the world, he is in the world but detached from it.

And I believe this is the reason we have Muslim immigration into the West and the reason the West and those who were already there are declining, dying if you will. The immigrants trigger evolution in those who already are there, and the immigrants themselves evolve as they come into these countries. It can be seen on an immediate level as what might appear to be devolution, as corruption of morals etc. On one level the machine of the West needs to be filled up with fuel to keep running, and as the people who already lived there become "weaker", the men feminized, people alienated/separated etc. you need people who are less evolved to fill the gap. It appears to me these people will a lot of times feel subconsciously that they are less evolved, and will stick to themselves in a way that might seem racist, something that only serves to speed up the evolution of the ostracized Westerner. The Westerner is dying because he is evolved. The Muslim keeps living because he needs to keep evolving. The people among Westerners who fight against the immigration, the left etc., of which you have many in the "white pride" movement etc. are probably people that will have to come back and keep evolving. Perhaps those who fight for the opposite side of the conflict, the leftists, will to. Whereas those who clam up and become totally introverted and reflective are those who are finished with the correction of the ego.

What had happened in die great age of Greece happened again in Renaissance Italy: traditional moral restraints disappeared, because they were seen to be associated with superstition; the liberation from fetters made individuals energetic and creative, producing a rare florescence of genius ; but the anarchy and treachery which inevitably resulted from the decay of morals made Italians collectively impotent, and they fell, like the Greeks, under the domination of nations less civilized than themselves but not so destitute of social cohesion.

In this life, there are three kinds of men, just as there are three sorts of people who come to the Olympic Games. The lowest class is made up of those who come to buy and sell, the next above them are those who compete. Best of all, however, are those who come simply to look on. The greatest purification of all is, therefore, disinterested science, and it is the man who devotes himself to that, the true philosopher, who has most effectually released himself from the 'wheel of birth.'

For some reason I can't edit the post above. I was going to write that the two last quotes are from History of Western Philosophy by Bertrand Russell.

a reply to: introspectionist

Very well written intro! I gave you a little star

Yes we have to conquer fear totally, it is a constricting force. It hold's us in the same way a snake would when constricting it's prey. It makes us small and weak when we have to be all encompassing and strong.

I also agree when you say there is a higher group somewhere that knows exactly what is going on. They will be, no doubt, manipulating the manipulators. Our self appointed masters probably believe they are top of the chain and will be wallowing in their delusion of being masters of all they survey. More fool them!

As you re-incarnate more and more, and learn from your mistakes, you become a more spiritually mature being. You are ready for harder more challenging lessons and tests. A declining civilization with poverty, war, disease, natural disasters, etc. etc. is a perfect place to learn some of the harder lessons, and test your self on all the things you learned over all those lifetimes.


If we lived in an unchanging Utopian Society, and kept reincarnating to the same place with the same circumstances, we would not learn or grow too much.

To be honest I really do not know, but when I think about how crappy the world is, this thought helps me accept the way the world is, and kind helps my depression about it a bit.

a reply to: cavrac

To be honest I really do not know, but when I think about how crappy the world is, this thought helps me accept the way the world is, and kind helps my depression about it a bit.

It certainly does do that cavrac. To me also it is a deep inner feeling that this is the truth of the matter and not just because i would like that to be the truth. It's not superficial.

originally posted by: DrunkYogi
a reply to: cavrac

To be honest I really do not know, but when I think about how crappy the world is, this thought helps me accept the way the world is, and kind helps my depression about it a bit.

It certainly does do that cavrac. To me also it is a deep inner feeling that this is the truth of the matter and not just because i would like that to be the truth. It's not superficial.

Yes I believe it too.

And that does not mean I like it either, I remember when I was a child, and I hated going to school, and would not want to get out of bed, and would pretend I was sick and stuff, but I feel if I truly want to learn and grow I have to face the harder lessons life has to teach.

This is also reflected in nature, all species that evolve, did so because of challenges they needed to adapt to or overcome.

originally posted by: DrunkYogi
a reply to: introspectionist

It looks to me like the end of the age intro, the Kali Yuga where the Devil is let loose to play for a while. It separates the wheat from the chaff. Some will rise and some will fall, but the one's that fall may very well rise next time and so on. For those that rise to a higher spiritual existence there may well another form of the cycle to reach to even higher planes and then to their final destination. Whatever that may be.

Nice article here........

THE KALI YUGA
jhaines6.wordpress.com...

For me that is more to prove that you can master yourself and not fall even if environment is against you. But some people would have been spiritually awoken easy in the right environment where light would have created more light around them.

There is a strange phenomenon I have observed in the world. I might be misinterpreting or reading too much into things.

In the world on a global scale there is segregation of parts of humanity that are on different levels of evolution. The Muslim countries and the Western countries are two separate geographical areas. When immigrants from the Muslim countries come into the West you have the same segregation inside that country, the immigrants live in one part of town and the Westerners in another. The Westerners are usually richer. Not only do they live in different areas, they have different jobs, or different positions within a company, they shop in different stores, or shop different items in the same store, or more items. The two groups are distinguishable in many areas, segregated. The immigrants will also want to stick to their own group and live in the same part of town for that reason.

Those Westerners that are most separate from the immigrants are usually those who are the richest, even though of course there are some immigrants from Muslim countries that are rich, but this is the general picture.

Now, something seems to happen in the evolution of the Western people, although I might be wrong. When the Westerner reaches a certain level of evolution he becomes sensitive and alienated to the degree that he becomes less valuable to society, and he will then fall in the material hierarchy. What happens then is that he will end up in the same neighborhood as the Muslim immigrants and at the same workplace.

This is very similar to how the West and the Middle East are two clearly separate geographical areas and then, Israel comes into the Middle East, coming from, you guessed it, the West.

The autistic Westerner surrounded by Muslims in his neighborhood and at work is very similar to Israel in the Middle East. Jews are mostly white, surrounded by non-whites. Israel as a country is not as rich as some other Western countries.

I personally believe that autistic people are Jews. And the schizophrenia that might be triggered in these people is the awakening of the Jew whereas a vast majority of autistic people are not awakened to who they are. It might not be limited to autism, perhaps other forms of maladaptation apply too. And I believe psychiatry is a form of priest class, guardians of the matrix. But psychiatry probably serves a twofold purpose, just like the Catholic Church. On the one hand it pushes the evolution forward by deception, by putting to sleep those who aren't ready to be initiated, on the other hand it might also work as a stimulus that triggers initiation in some individuals by making them annoyed. How aware psychiatrists are of this I do not know, and that's something I have been wondering about a lot.

'Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it. Every concept that can ever be needed, will be expressed by exactly one word, with its meaning rigidly defined and all its subsidiary meanings rubbed out and forgotten. Already, in the Eleventh Edition, we're not far from that point. But the process will still be continuing long after you and I are dead. Every year fewer and fewer words, and the range of consciousness always a little smaller. Even now, of course, there's no reason or excuse for committing thoughtcrime. It's merely a question of self-discipline, reality-control. But in the end there won't be any need even for that. The Revolution will be complete when the language is perfect. Newspeak is Ingsoc and Ingsoc is Newspeak,' he added with a sort of mystical satisfaction. 'Has it ever occurred to you, Winston, that by the year 2050, at the very latest, not a single human being will be alive who could understand such a conversation as we are having now?'

source: Nineteen Eighty-Four by George Orwell

The initiation of the Jew is the gnostic initiation:

A distinguishing feature of Gnosticism is an illusive, symbolic interpretation of reality, including history.

www.gnostics.com...

From the same site:

A number of social and political movements, including Marxism and Lenin’s Bolshevism, have been linked to Gnosticism, which flourished in the early centuries of the Christian era. The political scientists A. Besancon and L. Pellicani argue the intellectual roots of Russian Bolshevism are a structural repetition of the ancient Gnostic paradigm.

From the Jewish encyclopedia:

INSANITY:

Mental disease. Among the Jews the proportion of insane has been observed to be very large.

There is information on the Internet about a link between autism and schizophrenia. And there is information saying that Jews are more likely than others to have autism or schizophrenia.

I heard this conversation on Red Ice Radio:

Zen Gardner: "Oh, you don't like Jewish people. Jewish people aren't equal to us. Don't you know how tortured they were for so long?" Well lady, you know what, if you knew why they were chased out of country by country maybe you'd have a different attitude. Why they were kicked out of every country they went into because they were trying to screw it.

Henrik: The analogy of the man that seeks different partners in life and his marriages keep breaking up. And he's like "that woman wasn't that great. She had some issues, psychological issues. And then something was wrong with the next one, physicality wise, or I wasn't attracted to her, whatever." It's like, marriage after marriage fails. After 20, 30, 40 wives, 50, 60, 100 wives, at what point are you gonna begin to question the man in the relationship and say maybe there's something there that's wrong. Maybe he has an issue. Maybe it's not all these women that have an issue.

Zen Gardner: Exactly. There's a famous story of a guy. It's probably a different scenario but, this guy drives into a little small town and he stops at the gas station. He's looking for a town to move to. He asked the attendant "What are the people like here like?" And the attendant says "Well, what were they like where you came from?" He says "Ah, they were all smarmy, stinky, ugly, stupid, you know, they were awful." And the guy says to him "You know, they're gonna be the same way here for you."

One thing I have been wondering about is this. When you have ascended, will you then discover that all of the civilization that surrounded you was in fact yourself?

a reply to: LittleByLittle

Agreed.