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originally posted by: Cauliflower
a reply to: Jarocal
That does not mean the person who makes the square base or the circle that fits in it knows about pi.
The obvious smoking gun for the knowledge of pi is the location of the great pyramid on the 30 degree line of latitude.
The Egyptians must have made the choice so that there would be 47 degrees of latitude between the tropics.
I do think the choice of the meter length to make the speed of light close to 300 million meters per second could be a kludge.
If the Great Pyramid was deliberately placed 2125 meters south of the 30th parallel by the Egyptians, then maybe the reason Odysseus spent 17 days on a raft in Homers Odyssey was that 17 is an important Fermat prime?
Oh wait that can't be, know one had the math skills more than 50 years BC.
originally posted by: Blackmarketeer
a reply to: Ahatmose
This is what everyone sees. Don't bother taking a hint. If it loads for you it's likely because you already have the image cached in your browser.
Ps: I'm trying to help you so I can see these images, not trying to deny they exist..
Not surprisingly, these conclusions have been vehemently challenged on various grounds, including disputes about the actual measurements (which must infer the additional mass of missing face stones and capstone) and doubts about the length of cubit the builders actually had in mind. But if the above figures are accepted, a case can be made for the pyramid inch and the pyramid cubit as the ideal units of reckoning for both time and space. By basing the unit on the dimensions and orbit of the planet itself (assuming for the moment that the ancients knew these quantities), the Egyptians would have been measuring distance in fractions of the earth’s axis and time in fractions of the circumference―whose rotation equals a day―as well as fractions of the distance to the sun, which is the orbital radius on which the earth cycles once each year. Or, using the .4618 meter cubit, one cubit equals a thousandth of a second in the sense that the earth, at its equator, rotates a distance of 1,000 cubits per second.
originally posted by: Ahatmose
Okay another test image below ... obviously using [pic ]image[/pic] is not working for me. ... I really have no idea why the images do not show. Are all my images missing ? The one below I used the direct link.
originally posted by: AthlonSavage
The dimensions of the great pyramid. Now lets see if I can work put Pi from its basic dimensions. If I do will someone send me box of beer.
Great Pyramid dimensions
Height
146.5 metres (481 ft), ancient
138.8 metres (455 ft), contemporary
Base
230.4 metres (756 ft)
Well the base is analogous to the circumference of a circle so I guess ill try add the base sides up first.
230.4 metres x4 = 921.6 metres
Now the height umm guess that might be analogous to the radius 146.5 metres
C= 2x Pi x R
Pi = C/2R
Plug in the values
921.6 / 2 x 146.5 = 3.145392491
Actual Pi = 3.14159265
By golly dash......
On the whole, we probably cannot do better than take 51º 52' ± 2' as the nearest approximation to the mean angle of the Pyramid, allowing some weight to the South side. The mean base being 9068.8 ± .5 inches, this yields a height of 5776.0 ± 7.0 inches.
After doing the calculations it could be Pi or Phi or 7/11.
originally posted by: AthlonSavage
After doing the calculations it could be Pi or Phi or 7/11.
If they had the mind to calculate a accurately a 7/11 base and height ratio on 3D object that's actually shows a clear comprehension of ratios, and fractions and the analogy of C/R = number would of clearly crossed their minds. The general viewpoint taken by skeptics is because they didn't find Pi written down anywhere therefore they didn't know bout it. I think their is enough evidence displayed in the ingenious geometry constructed to indicate they were aware of the ratio C/R = number.
originally posted by: Harte
originally posted by: AthlonSavage
After doing the calculations it could be Pi or Phi or 7/11.
If they had the mind to calculate a accurately a 7/11 base and height ratio on 3D object that's actually shows a clear comprehension of ratios, and fractions and the analogy of C/R = number would of clearly crossed their minds. The general viewpoint taken by skeptics is because they didn't find Pi written down anywhere therefore they didn't know bout it. I think their is enough evidence displayed in the ingenious geometry constructed to indicate they were aware of the ratio C/R = number.
The problem with this is that the Egyptians never considered their ratios as fractions, or even ratios.
The only "fractions" they knew were parts of whole, such as seven palms per single cubit. They had no mathematical system for doing operations with fractions in general.
Harte
originally posted by: AthlonSavage
a reply to: Harte
There actually is No problem with this.
They would of used C = 6 x R
Let R =1 and C = 6
The deviation is C = 2 x Pi = 6.28318 - 6 = 0.28318
What they would of done is quite simple fit 6 pie shaped triangle into a circle, with each triangle have 60 degree corners so
I triangle = 60 + 60 + 60 = 180 degrees
and inside the circle there are 6 of these triangles equally displaced.
They are equilateral triangle and so that the radius of circle = side of the triangle faces that meet against eachother.
Set the radius = 1 and the circumference of the six faces that link to form an octagon is 6.
Now they would of gone and used a marked string or other method to measure the actual circumference of the circle with radius 1 that encloses the octagon, and for R = 1 , C = 2 x Pi. The don't know the value for Pi but it doesn't matter here because they are taking an actual measurement of the circumference.
They will measure 6.283 and use maths division on paper to work out the ratios 6/ 6.283 = 0.9549 and 6.283/ 6 = 1.04716