Ebola, inside information

originally posted by: DrHammondStoat

originally posted by: Tangerine
a reply to: jadedANDcynical

I wonder why the Spanish government killed that nurse's dog rather than quarantining the dog to learn more about human to canine transmission? Could it be that the dog showed signs of Ebola?

The government never lies to protect us. The government lies to protect the government.

They wouldn't do it because no-one would volunteer to try and catch Ebola from a dog!

As there would be no forthcoming human volunteers you would be left with substituting monkeys and similar experiments have already been done.

Similarly people are not likely to risk their lives looking after an ebola infected animal when what you would gain isn't clear.

There are facilities where researchers quarantine animals. How do you think experiments on horrible diseases are conducted? Secondly, someone had to have had contact with the dog in order to confiscate, kill, and dispose of the body.

originally posted by: SunnyRunner360
Dallas deputy tested negative
abcnews.go.com...

Theoretically, if they are still using the Ebola test which is approved here and they have stated they are using, results won't be possible for another 24-48 hours depending on when they tested him.

Not 30 seconds ago on MSNBC they said they were still awaiting results.. So this hasn't broke on MSM yet. That's not a local ABC affiliate but because it says "state" adds to my wonder if the state is desperately trying to cover their asses.

a reply to: Xaphan

This little "BLEACH" meme gag?

It isn't funny at ALL. What it IS is irresponsible.

MODERATORS, PLEASE TAKE IT DOWN.

People who are afraid, sometimes do rash things... believing this horses**t might be one of them.

The treatment and cure for Ebola are within Goji berries.

a reply to: Tangerine thought I read a post that said if a dog gets ebola, they remain without symptoms and do not get sick, but, they can pass it on to humans....they put that dog down because they didn't wnat to risk it.......they were quoted as saying they had no where to keep the dog.

Not entirely pertinent to the thread, but I was married to a nurse for around 5 years and there are a lot of things going on in the medical industry that people would have fits over if they knew they were going on.

I have a fair amount of medical training myself, never went into it after college because I suppose you would term me as being a "conscientious objector' of a sort.

Insurance has an awful lot to do with what is wrong with almost any aspect of the medical industry, it has almost literally become an arm of the insurance industry.

The real problems begin elsewhere, in a not entirely unrelated field discussed which happens to be a subsystem of a system which has to do with supplying anything people may need or want to live their lives.

We are all trapped like those animals we have to consider lesser than ourselves to somehow justify our ignorance.

I wander,,....

a reply to: ~Lucidity"Add another item to the things they-don't-know or we-aren't-being-told list: That is may be transmissible after "cure" or "recovery." "

Just the fact that I occasionally hear an "authority" on the news mention that male survivors contain the Ebola virus in their sperm for 90 days after infection, and no one picks up on it and runs with it in the news, gives me the heebee jeebees. Really? No authorities care to elaborate on that ? Isn't that the same as a dog being a carrier of the virus, unable to get sick by it, but can possibly expose others to it? Oh wait, scratch that. The theory of the dog hasn't been proven, it's "just in case". But the male virus infected sperm is fact, from what I understand, and nobody is talking about quarantining the male survivor for ninety days ?

More info!

Because all I had was tinned food and any blunt instrument I could find to take down zombies.

If I can add berries to my list, i'll be over the moon.

a reply to: RoyalBlue

The isolation of EBOV from semen 40 days after the onset of illness underscores the risk of sexual transmission of the filoviruses during convalescence. Zaire EBOV has been detected in the semen of convalescent patients by virus isolation (82 days) and RT-PCR (91 days) after disease onset [5, 14]. Marburg virus has also been isolated from the semen and linked conclusively to sexual transmission 13 weeks into convalescence [15].

jid.oxfordjournals.org...

Found that back in July or August. Kinda posting it everywhere since. Ha.

a reply to: RoyalBlue

Actually the CDC does mention it in a link sent out to college students concerning Ebola.

wwwnc.cdc.gov...

What should I do to protect my health if I come in contact with people on campus who have recently returned from a country where the Ebola outbreaks are happening?
Ebola poses little risk to the US general population and is not contagious until symptoms appear. It is spread through direct contact with body fluids (blood, urine, feces, saliva, semen, and other secretions) of an infected person, or with objects like needles that have been contaminated with body secretions. This includes through intimate contact, such as sex, since Ebola can still be found in semen for 7 weeks after a person has recovered.

Additional link sent in follow up letter.

www.cdc.gov...

originally posted by: research100
a reply to: Tangerine thought I read a post that said if a dog gets ebola, they remain without symptoms and do not get sick, but, they can pass it on to humans....they put that dog down because they didn't wnat to risk it.......they were quoted as saying they had no where to keep the dog.

They lied. If Spain conducts experiments on dangerous diseases they do have lab facilities where they can quarantine animals. Are you suggesting that the dog was carrying ebola? We weren't told that, were we? As a general rule, it does not pay to believe government claims. History has proven that.

a reply to: Tangerine

I was just passing on what they said....how accurate I don't know.....I do see where you are coming from, though,.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical I just heard of the case that was located at North Cypress Hospital yesterday, off of Hwy 290 in Cypress/Jersey Village area about 30 minutes northwest of Houston. It turned out not to be Ebola. Are there other cases you are referring to. or do you know?

I posted this in the US Nurses: We Can't Handle Ebola! thread, but it fits in here as 'insider info' and is something I would imagine many might not consider.

Source is...me.


The county health inspector came in to the restaurant I manage the other day for a follow up visit and after he had concluded his business, I asked him if the county had updated any of their procedures due to the ebola epidemic.

He looked at me with a somewhat blank look on his face, and then said, "not a bit."

Granted he is a specialist in utritional health and food safety, but I (navely?) expected that all counties in Texas would provide any and all departments remotely related to health and safety updated information and protocols.

Even just a bulletin or something.

Nope.

I asked him what would happen if someone with the virus showed up in one of the local mcclinics.

That same blank look greeted me that answered my prior question.

I referenced UTMB, which is only a few blocks from where we sat, and said I was pretty sure (hopefully) they could handle the situation, but I told him I doubted one of the dozens of "emergency room light"s that had popped up over the last few years could deal.

I said that it was entirely plausible that this exact scenario could happen since we now have a case here in Texas and due to the sloppy handling by the CDC, there could easily be a number of indirect contacts that had been missed.

He said, "yeah, in Austin, right?"



a reply to: RoyalBlue

No, these are others that have not made been made mention of anywhere in any media I was aware of the Cypress case, and made mention of that in this post.

originally posted by: research100
a reply to: Tangerine thought I read a post that said if a dog gets ebola, they remain without symptoms and do not get sick, but, they can pass it on to humans....they put that dog down because they didn't wnat to risk it.......they were quoted as saying they had no where to keep the dog.

There's never been a case of a dog passing Ebola on to a person but then what do they really know. How would one even know they got it from their dog if other people in the area are affected. They did do a test with pigs and monkeys and they did pass the disease to each other.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Just Wow

The incompetence never ceases to amaze me. Just when you think you've heard it all, another completely clueless and incompetent person opens their mouth. Out comes a bunch of nothingness!

Unreal.

Here's a pretty good summary of "famous" cases. That Macedonian infection is a booger though. I wonder how WHO will handle the multinational contacts investigation.

Br itish Man Dead

originally posted by: StoutBroux

originally posted by: research100
a reply to: Tangerine thought I read a post that said if a dog gets ebola, they remain without symptoms and do not get sick, but, they can pass it on to humans....they put that dog down because they didn't wnat to risk it.......they were quoted as saying they had no where to keep the dog.

There's never been a case of a dog passing Ebola on to a person but then what do they really know. How would one even know they got it from their dog if other people in the area are affected. They did do a test with pigs and monkeys and they did pass the disease to each other.

Unless the dog tested positive for Ebola, there was no justifiable reason for killing the dog apart from Spain's traditional cruelty toward animals. My concern is that this callous act will trigger more killing of dogs. Leave it to the government (any government) to do something stupid to trigger panic.

originally posted by: k3d59
Here's a pretty good summary of "famous" cases. That Macedonian infection is a booger though. I wonder how WHO will handle the multinational contacts investigation.

Br itish Man Dead

If it does turn out to be Ebola, maybe they both contracted it on their flights. In a matter of days, we may hear more from these areas.

Duncan boarded three separate flights before he arrived in Dallas. Then hundreds from those flights went their separate ways, but where did they go? Oh boy...what a frightening thought indeed.

1. Liberia
2. Brussels
3. Dulles

It's only a matter of time before hundreds more start showing signs...days even.