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Ebola, inside information

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posted on Oct, 9 2014 @ 02:03 AM
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a reply to: jadedANDcynical

I wonder why the Spanish government killed that nurse's dog rather than quarantining the dog to learn more about human to canine transmission? Could it be that the dog showed signs of Ebola?

The government never lies to protect us. The government lies to protect the government.



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posted on Oct, 9 2014 @ 02:08 AM
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Things seem to be happening fast now, and this thread gives me more reasons to suspect we are just seeing the tip of the iceberg of what's really going on. Thanks jaded and everyone for keeping us all informed.

So here's my contribution to keeping us all informed. I've updated the Ebola charts with the latest data from WHO:

Updated Ebola charts

These are only the reported numbers, of course, but they still paint a pretty clear picture, especially when you realize they are likely just the tip of the iceberg.



posted on Oct, 9 2014 @ 02:27 AM
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a reply to: ikonoklast

So, what's the worse case scenario worldwide, based on extrapolation of these charts?

Is the recent activity at the Georgia Guidestones related to this?



posted on Oct, 9 2014 @ 02:50 AM
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Don't get me wrong, I LOVE animals. 100%.

But in this case...we're not sure whether dogs can transmit the disease and there is indications they in fact DO. It is my understanding some dogs in the past had tested positive for the virus. We're talking Ebola here, a deadly virus. I really don't think they had another choice here ;(



posted on Oct, 9 2014 @ 02:51 AM
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Also..the OP is confusing to me. I must be missing something or the OP edited something out since I don't see anything about "insider information about Ebola" in the OP.



posted on Oct, 9 2014 @ 04:31 AM
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originally posted by: PlanetXisHERE
a reply to: ikonoklast

So, what's the worse case scenario worldwide, based on extrapolation of these charts?


Ebola spreads exponentially. From a single case, it only has to double less than 33 times to exceed the total population of Earth. So the worst case scenario is that everyone on the planet who does not have natural immunity or cannot isolate themselves would catch it.

Between 50-90% of those who catch Ebola die. 70.8% is believed to be the most accurate current figure based on known clinical data. But that's for people who received medical treatment where the cases were followed from start to finish. In a worst case scenario it would eventually reach a point where most cases could not obtain medical care and the death rate would likely worsen.

The charts are based on reported cases and deaths from WHO. This outbreak has already doubled about 13 times in about 10 months. It only has to double at most 20 more times to have doubled 33 times. If it continues doubling at the current pace (doubling again 13 times every 10 months), that will take a little more than 15 months, which would be before the end of January 2016.

Long before then, economies and social systems would collapse in pretty much total chaos. Food and other necessities would be in short supply. A worst case scenario with Ebola would likely be the end of this civilization as we know it.

I'm really hoping we can avoid such a worst case scenario, though I am not seeing much reason to expect that. To avoid this, you have to bring the growth down to where there is an average of less than 1 new case from current cases (R0 less than 1). Then it stops doubling and slowly dies out.

I only know of 3 ways to do that, but perhaps there are more:

1. Quarantine/isolation

2. A treatment or vaccine that can be produced in sufficient quantity

3. Luck or divine intervention

The longer the epidemic grows, the more difficult #1 becomes because there are too many people infected, and over a wider area. At least one of the top Ebola experts in the world believes #2 is unlikely to be achievable in time and that belief in miracle technology being invented and produced in time makes it less likely enough will be done for #1 to be achieved in time. As for #3, some believe the Spanish Flu epidemic only ended because that virus mutated enough to no longer be so deadly to humans.



Is the recent activity at the Georgia Guidestones related to this?


Probably only whoever did the recent activity at the Georgia Guidestones knows the answer to that. But it is interesting.

A worst case scenario with Ebola could potentially bring the population of the world down to 500 million or less.



posted on Oct, 9 2014 @ 04:54 AM
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originally posted by: pasiphae
a reply to: antar

i see people freaking out about troops going there but the problem is WE HAVE TO STOP IT THERE. there's just no way at all to keep it from coming here if we don't get it under control in africa. we'd have to completely seal ourselves off from ALL countries and that would collapse us faster than ebola will. we haven't been told about a plan to bring those troops back.... they may never come back. being in the military they are aware that when they go to battle they may not live. that's their job. they joined the military to put their life on the line to protect our country.


I agree with you, troops going there can actually keep the infected people from moving around, so they could help to stop the spread.

However, I was perplexed this morning when I saw photos of the British army training before they go to Liberia. They have doctors wearing visors that are open at the bottom. It would only take touching the bottom of the visor with a gloved hand .....
They may do some good for a time but there are going to be many of them infected if that is their protection and then they will no longer be able to do the job they were sent for.



posted on Oct, 9 2014 @ 05:01 AM
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originally posted by: Tangerine
a reply to: jadedANDcynical

I wonder why the Spanish government killed that nurse's dog rather than quarantining the dog to learn more about human to canine transmission? Could it be that the dog showed signs of Ebola?

The government never lies to protect us. The government lies to protect the government.



They wouldn't do it because no-one would volunteer to try and catch Ebola from a dog!

As there would be no forthcoming human volunteers you would be left with substituting monkeys and similar experiments have already been done.

Similarly people are not likely to risk their lives looking after an ebola infected animal when what you would gain isn't clear.



posted on Oct, 9 2014 @ 06:22 AM
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originally posted by: ikonoklast
The charts are based on reported cases and deaths from WHO. This outbreak has already doubled about 13 times in about 10 months. It only has to double at most 20 more times to have doubled 33 times. If it continues doubling at the current pace (doubling again 13 times every 10 months), that will take a little more than 15 months, which would be before the end of January 2016.

Long before then, economies and social systems would collapse in pretty much total chaos. Food and other necessities would be in short supply. A worst case scenario with Ebola would likely be the end of this civilization as we know it.


Wow, that is a stunning eye opener. Well it should be, but it would appear only people with their "eyes" already open are getting it. Seems like most people have their eye's welded shut and their fingers in their ears.

I'm in Texas,, east of San Antonio and south of Austin. Up until a few months ago, I worked on a hunting ranch. One of my worries had been this spreading to rural areas. We are overrun with wild hogs. After reading the doubling rate projection, that no longer concerns me. We'll all likely be dead long before the pigs become a vector. Would seem the family dog, and probably cats, will be more likely to help it spread.

We need WHISTLEBLOWERS! As many as possible need to step forward and tell the truth.

Anyone have a link about the recent activity at the guidestones? This is the first I've heard of it.



posted on Oct, 9 2014 @ 06:54 AM
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a reply to: violet

And

a reply to: wastedown

Quoting myself:


originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
a reply to: Thecakeisalie

The information posted is the gleanings of phone conversations over the last couple of days.

As the person on the other end of the conversation is in a room, often times they will be attended by medical staff so a conversation will be cut short and not able to be picked up for a bit.

And there is the fact that this person does not want to endanger their ability to gather information that might not be let slip if it were known to be floated out.


The staff is satisfied with me response to their request and I did receive applause for the thread.

All that said, this is hearsay, thus my posting this in the grey area.

I will add a version of ikonoklast's disclaimer:


Please do not do anything you might regret based on this thread. Hopefully efforts to contain, quarantine, treat, prevent, or cure Ebola will eventually be successful, and hopefully sooner rather than later.


Nothing nefarious nor is this some attempt to help push a ratings line.

You may be lookng for the release of super secret unpublished data, but that just isn't going to happen. Not here, probably not anywhere.

I am sorry if I, and my source, are only able to provide bits and pieces that are just hearsay and that I am currently unable to gather additional, specific information.

My hope was to provide a bit of corroborating information for what many here have been saying.

I won't have links to sourced documents, nor will I be able to provide hidden recordings of secret meetings.

Right now, all I have gathered from these last few days conversations has been shared in this thread already.

You may then say, "well this is no different than any other unsubstantiated doom porn thread here."

To that all I have to say is look at my posts, especailly over the last month, and think about what we are facing and how those in charge are handling the situation.

I hope there is enough credibility within my body of work here to maybe give what (admittedly little and somehwat vague) info I have shared at least a little more weight than ol' Bernie gets, eh?



posted on Oct, 9 2014 @ 07:41 AM
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I posted this on the Enterovirus D68 thread, but it bears repeating here, I think.....

OK....this probably won't even be read by most, but....

It doesn't matter if you believe they are spreading disease on purpose, or if the CDC is simply that incompetent. What does matter, is that a certain segment of the population is vulnerable, simply because our immune systems have been weakened through poor diet, crappy "medicines", and the blind following of expert advice to take your kids, grandma, self, or whomever to the largest disease vector available, a hospital, when ill.

The fact of the matter, is that a very simple and powerful actual anti-pathogen, that anyone can buy for a few bucks at a health-food store, or even make at home for a few cents, is available. And even mainstream medicine acknowledges this, albeit in a fairly unobvious way. It has been suppressed and ridiculed for quite some time, by those who want to sell us antibiotics and the like. But, it is still used in cases where the potential outcome is large, and liability may accrue.

It's silver. And specifically, colloidal silver, which just means that it has been reduced to extremely small clumps of atoms that have the most surface area for the volume, and are small enough to pass through cellular membranes. Upon contact with almost every known pathogen, it kills them immediately. And we see this with silver nitrate which is put into baby's eyes immediately upon birth...originally for syphilis I think...to prevent blindness. We see this in Silvadene cream, which is what is used on all burns in all hospitals, because of the massive potential for infection with such large areas exposed. We have special (and expensive, of course) silver impregnated bandages for wound care, when the increasingly ineffective antibiotics don't perform.

Why? Billions and billions of dollars is why. If they know that a simple and cheap almost 100% effective method is available, why would you not use that first? Instead it gets demonized on mainstream websites and warned about as quackery....even as they use it themselves, when their expensive ineffective substitutes won't work anymore. And it isn't your doctors fault either. They have fallen for the ruse too. Any doctor who told you to use it, in their professional capacity, would quickly lose their license to practice.

At any rate, Colloidal Silver...which just means it is small enough to suspend in water through Brownian motion, without settling out...kills on contact. Doing a sinus rinse with it (and the correct amount of salt to make it isotonic, and not burn the mucosa) will take out a sinus infection in one or two rinses. Using warm water, helps melt out the snot a little better. Sipping it, kills any pathogens in the esophagus, preventing infection from getting to the lungs. And nebulizing it, gives it direct access to the lungs themselves, where it can kill on contact as well. Simple put, it denies real estate to the germs, just like zinc does, that they sell lozenges for now. Absolutely non-toxic, silver is everywhere, hidden in plain sight these days. It's what they use to make commercial counters anti-microbial. It's what they use to make high end sports clothes anti-microbial. Colloidal Silver is not quite as small as Nano-particles...but, it doesn't need to be, to work just fine.

For about twenty five bucks, you can buy a Hulda Clark Zapper on EBay and a foot or so of .9999 fine silver wire. Make an anode and a cathode by bending hooks on the ends to hang over the edge of a glass, with only the silver touching the water and not touching each other in the water....non-conductive glass only...no metal or gilded edges or water on the outside....and connect the alligator clips to the anode and cathode. Connect a 9 volt battery. Wait a few minutes. Almost immediately, you can see a cloud of silver begin to form on the anode and drift down to the bottom. When a quarter sized amount is there, you're done. Disconnect the battery, and stir it up. That's it. It's that easy. Plain old tap water, or mineral water and a few minutes of DC current. Distilled water will not work as well, since water itself is not conductive, only the dissolved salts/electrolyte...so it would take hours that way. But, using the same stuff you drink every day is not a problem.

You can get a nebulizer at Walmart for less than 25 bucks. Or just an ultrasonic humidifier to mist nearby while you sleep. The key is getting to the area where the germs are. Evaporator types won't work, because the silver won't evaporate with the water. And if you accidentally leave your maker going for too long, and the silver begins to re-aggregate on the surface of the water, looking metallic again, I wouldn't use that internally. Instead soak your sponges in it or pour it in your drains or toilet tank....anywhere you want to kill germs at their source.



posted on Oct, 9 2014 @ 07:54 AM
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a reply to: Enderdog

You should do a video presentation of the process. I like the idea of the sinus rinse.


The BIG push for live attenuated vaccines for the flu are all the rage right now.

The schools are shedding like crazy so for those who do not take it, they are at risk for the next 72 hours or so after the vaccines are given.

I wont go on but think it is horrible that this is the practice. They should inject them on a Friday before they leave to go home or dorm.



posted on Oct, 9 2014 @ 08:29 AM
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friendly fire incident???
no really I am sorry but there's a saner way to go about this.
use the military who are well trained in preventing the spread of the disease (with no lies included) to transport the aide workers to and from the infected areas but they are the only ones who allowed into this country from those areas!
and when they come back put them in quarentine for twice the time they are saying it takes to determine if they've contacted the disease themselves or not. and shut down the influx of immigrants coming into the southern border!
there is no reason why we should have to let in people from these areas just so they can have nice vacations. The aide workers ya we should support them as much as possible but what they are doing is insane or deliberate in hopes of an epidemic here.

Until they actually do something to keep the infected or possible infected from coming in I am not gonna trust anything the gov't says! And no they should have that many troops on the ground over there. Just a few pilots flying in the aide workers (who are very well trained with dealing with this disease) and supplies.

our service men and women chose to put their lives on the line not their wives, children, or parents and friends! are they gonna at least quarintine them when they come back (unless they are planning another friendly fire incident) or will the gov't be as inept as they've appeared to be so far?

because as of now they seem to be very incompetent!
they killed the dog that the nurse in spain had as a precaution while we are sending sharriff deputies into the home of one of our patients to get a signiture.
Is spain taking it more seriously or is our gov't just hoping for the worse outcome?



posted on Oct, 9 2014 @ 08:40 AM
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a reply to: ikonoklast
Your comments are superior to every announcement by the CDC.




posted on Oct, 9 2014 @ 08:46 AM
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originally posted by: NoAngel2u

Anyone have a link about the recent activity at the guidestones? This is the first I've heard of it.



Here is the video of the removal.




posted on Oct, 9 2014 @ 08:56 AM
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originally posted by: jadedANDcynical

originally posted by: JustMike
a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Thanks for posting.


Just making sure I read that right: the relative is a nurse, but is also a patient?

Oh, and please check your messages. Thanks.


I will add that my source is being treated for personal medical issues unrelated to the larger topic at hand of Ebola and will be discharged in a day or two.

They have 15+ years of nursing experience and has been concerned about this particular virus for longer than that.

Afterwards, they have agreed to an interview with NLBS at which point more concise and concrete information should be forthcoming.

Any speculations should be posted to this thread.

I will probably not have much more solid info to share until that time, but anything I can, will be shared as soon as I am able.


Thank you! I was hoping you would reply with something to the effects of that. I'm sure you understand how the above quoted post by you could read like "I talked to the owners and set up an interview, now I can't release the mentioned in the thread title insider ebola information that I promised."

I'm sure you see how that last little bit about releasing what info "you can" reads a bit different than, than you saying you have and are getting more info soon that we all need to know which is what you suggested early on. In the OP you made refrence to already knowing something about the time and date of death and inferred that there was other stuff you already knew that we are being lied to about. But, the only inside info released so far is that this nurse thinks it can be spread without symptoms. The " I can" part makes it seem like an outside source is preventing you from saying everything as soon as you are able. It reads to me like you will release what you are "allowed" and everything else will have to wait until the interview. This is a "conspiracy" site, we look into everything, it's how our brains are wired. To me your early posts made it seem this breaking info from an insider about ebola was coming soon but you wanted ATS staff to vet your source and their info first. I thought there is no way jaded would want this important info buried on page 12 or something of this thread and will let us know soon, not Days from now(I think they drop NLBS on Fridays?).

I'm happy to hear that is not the case. Thanks for clearing this up, I'm sure it's not just violet and I who were questioning what was going on.
edit on 9-10-2014 by wastedown because: I forgot to mention the part about you already knowing about time of death, but have said nothing more about it.



posted on Oct, 9 2014 @ 08:57 AM
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I hope there is enough credibility within my body of work here to maybe give what (admittedly little and somehwat vague) info I have shared at least a little more weight than ol' Bernie gets, eh?
a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Jaded, I give you one of the biggest around of applauses for bring to the table what you do know. There is no hiding from this virus, I would hate to know that the government is our only means of news media because that does not give me a warm fuzzy feel of security.
You have stepped up and shared what you do know and that is more than some would do because of backlash fear. I thank you and applaud you for your courage in posting the information you have been able to get.




posted on Oct, 9 2014 @ 09:23 AM
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I just read through the entire thread, and so far here's all the "inside information" via a nurse relative that jaded has released so far (let me know if I missed anything):


-lies being told about case in Dallas, including the time of death, contacts being traced, and people with symptoms beginning to show.

-the virus is, and has been transmissible prior to the onset of symptoms

-My nurse relative indicated that there are more people being watched with symptoms than are being reported.

So far that's it.



posted on Oct, 9 2014 @ 09:26 AM
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originally posted by: AnonymousCitizen
Here's a little tidbit from the WHO website:

who.int


People remain infectious as long as their blood and body fluids, including semen and breast milk, contain the virus. Men who have recovered from the disease can still transmit the virus through their semen for up to 7 weeks after recovery from illness.


This is exactly the reason why I suggested folks take a look at their site!


We're not hearing this from the CDC or the majors "news" outlets...and we won't, either.

The WHO has been educating and fighting this disease for many, many years. Their experts are the ones I would listen to first, as a nurse.

Now, if their message magically changes after all these years? I would probably start to think that there may be a bigger agenda at play than any one of us will ever know.



posted on Oct, 9 2014 @ 09:32 AM
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You are 100% correct to question each and evry point and I certainly welcome any and all questions.

I do see how what was posted could easily be construed in that manner and I sincerely apologise as that was in no means meant to be the way I wanted to come across.


I thought there is no way jaded would want this important info buried on page 12 or something of this thread and will let us know soon, not Days from now(I think they drop NLBS on Fridays?).


Too right!

 


reply to: AutOmatIc


Very concise rundown, thank you!

I was just about to do this exact thing, so you saved me the trouble. I sense a somewhat belittling tone from your post, I might be wrong as such subtlties can be easily misconstrue online, so forgive me if that is so.

Apologies if the thread does not meet with your standards, there seem to be a few who find value here. If you do not, please feel free to add something you think does.


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