Ebola, inside information

To find a cure one has to find the common denominator.

What do the patients have in common......

Maybe looking at the goods exported from west african natioms perhaps?

Remember my thread Atrial Fibrillation?

SN?
Sinus Node?
Also
Senegal?

To find a cure one has to find the common denominator.

What do the patients have in common......

Maybe looking at the goods exported from west african natioms perhaps?

Remember my thread Atrial Fibrillation?

SN?
Sinus Node?
Also
Senegal?

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
a reply to: raymundoko

Um, hate to break it it ya, but not onky did I get applause from the mods after I confirmed with them my source details, but I got a second one from the site owner.

I won't share what he said in the private message he sent to me what is it give me a degree of confidence. and I do not say this to toot my own horn, because I really don't like to do that kind of thing.

I have been civil, provide links to support my stances, and all you have ever done in any thread you have been in is to sow discord, I think I probably really will cease replying to you.

I could not agree more that has been rayray's mode in many of the threads that were actually going very well and contributing to information flow. I have not once seen any confirmation of medical or science research credentials at all. I actually do have some credentials as I am a phd candidate a year away from final defense of my dissertation. I have done a lot of research with receptor modulating drugs. I completely offer much gratitude for your efforts and CONTRIBUTION to information flow and generation of thoughtful discourse . I think we would all be better served to not reply any further to baited argumentative posts that are seemingly just for the sake of arguing semantics among other things.

a reply to: bella2256

I have two Masters. One in Atmospherics Physics and the other in Business Finance...I currently work for a Mega Corporation in IT. I did not pursue my PHD in Atmospheric physics as I became extremely disenfranchised with the process for obtaining grants as well as having my dissertation rejected. I have never ever claimed to have any type of Medical degree. My level of education has nothing to do with this. I am not sure what you working with SRM's has to do with anything.

I also love it that some people demand that I be a medical professional, when Jaded has said he only has a HS Diploma (or that he was a dropout, I can't remember). Ones level of education has nothing to do with their aptitude towards a subject. Jaded is obviously a very smart person. The problem is people know just enough to not know anything, or just enough to misunderstand.

I have never once said something that is not factually correct with what we currently know. I have not name called or attempted to discredit people based on their level of education.

People like you take me calling a spade a spade (in this case really bad factual information) as an affront because you are more than likely predisposed to loving doom porn. There is a clear and distinct difference between sharing information and attempting to incite fear with doom and gloom.

How many days has it been since this post? And only two more people have been diagnose, and their symptoms showed up well after this post was made...

So far none of Duncan's friend/family have shown symptoms and they finish their 21 day quarantine on 10/19. I said it at the beginning of the thread and I can pretty authoritatively say it now. The OP's nurse friend was wrong.

a reply to: raymundoko

You are so authoritatively well endowed from a medical science research background, which by the way is very different from physics, I therefor bow, but unlike you I will humbly admit that I could not engineer my way to the moon and physics is an amazing and informative branch of science. But it is a different branch and does not generally inform the life science research unless it is in the application of diagnostic devices for the most part. For the record, most scientist are not doom porn predisposed. We are however, generally inquisitive and know we do not have all the answers. The threads are supposed to contribute to information flow. The topic is in the gray area as it should be for lack of empirical evidence. it is an area for speculation. Instead of contributing you bounce around and start arguments that hi-jack the thread. If the thread topic ended up viral on the internet without evidence then I believe we could define it as spreading doom porn (your favorite word). You have every right to believe every thing the media, the CDC and other agencies are feeding you just as much as I have the right not to believe that ALL OF DUNCAN'S FAMILY IS SAFE AND WELL, I hope that they are but there is no visual confirmation as of yet.
Furthermore, these groups have so far NOT instilled confidence.
You can not prove what you are saying any more than the flip side can prove it is, and these are the reasons why; there is not unequivocal data available on human viral shedding of Ebola. Arguing this is an exercise in redundancy. The take home message is really that #1 assumption and not lot data #2 and THIS IS THE IMPORTANT FACTOR, the data we do have is based entirely on previous outbreaks, well know strand (none or limited opportunities to mutate). The current genetic sequencing research is telling you it has mutated and continues to do so....this makes the boundaries of viral shedding even more presumptuous.

REASON #1: We have not experimental infected humans to check the point and establish this beyond doubt, notice the use of the word ASSUMPTION. Assumption is not hard scientific evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. Let me spell it out; the current assumption on human viral shedding, may not be accurate. Like I said, studies to prove or disprove this have not been conducted in a systematic empirical method.

"We don't really have lots of sound data of what period people start shedding virus and from what tissues. And so that would be incredibly valuable data. What we do have is the epidemiological data, and when we put that together from past outbreaks, it really appears that most infections occur from very sick people late in the course of their illness"(Dr. Daniel Bausch).

To be clear, what I see as an affront is this; "There is a clear and distinct difference between" being argumentative and sharing information in a speculative manner. In other words because people are considering speculative information you seem to be bothered by participants and their right to shape and express their own opinions. Again, you are free to wallow in self assurance over every word the CDC and the government tell you. Much luck with that and best wishes. I wish you no ill will in those endeavors.

a reply to: bella2256
I wish I could star your post multiple times. Here are a few more...

a reply to: bella2256

Ahhh Bella,, thank you.

eta: Thank you, thank you, thank you

REBOV or Reston strain of Ebola, traveled from room to room killing monkeys locked inside cages.

a reply to: Biotech2024

And is completely harmless to humans...

Like has been said before, it has as much chance to mutate to being harmless to humans as it does to become airborne.

originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: Biotech2024

And is completely harmless to humans...

Like has been said before, it has as much chance to mutate to being harmless to humans as it does to become airborne.

I don't mean to be rude, but you just don't get it. REBOV is very similar to ZEBOV, analysis of their genomes show them to be very similar. REBOV has a dysfunctional VP35 gene, the protein it produces isn't as immunosuppressive as it is in monkeys. But the gross structure and size and composition is similar. Which means the virus transmission pattern outside the body will be very similar. REBOV infected humans that were associated with the lab at that time. It didn't kill any of them because of its dysfunctional VP35 gene.

a reply to: Biotech2024

REBOV was isolated from monkeys from the Philippines. The lab was located in Reston, VA. One could argue the whole setup was a front for bioweapons development.

UPDATE

Houston hospitals are increasing their readiness, all of the nurses at UTMB were abuzz with concern and there is a general level of concern which seems to be heightened.

The only problem is that infection control procedures are not consistently applied by all. Many do not wash their hands or use the sanitizer stations placed througout the hospital.

My relative asked what more they could be told from a doctor they used to work with (if a mod wants, I can provide the name of the doctor) and was told that the best thing to do would be to stay away from hospitals as they would be a central location from which the virus would spread.

He would not divulge anything specific regards to what has been learned about tgr virud ("so and so, you know I can't say anything about that...') after which point he advocated staying away from hospitals, and being sure to make sure any open sore is covered if not healed and any other infection is cleared up.

The main thing the nurses were worried about was an interruption in services followed quickly by a breakdown in order; pretty much the same as us...

Somebody update the OP with the info posted in this thread so it's easier to locate.

originally posted by: knightsofhonor
Somebody update the OP with the info posted in this thread so it's easier to locate.

Just a suggestion... if you go to any one of JadedANDCynical's posts, and click on the green "person" at the bottom of the avatar, then choose "posts in thread" you will be able to read everything he/she has posted.

I just saw a post about one of the HW from the Dallas hospital being on a cruise that left out of Galveston, and being refused to be airlifted back to the US by the Belieze government. They've been ordered back to the US. And the person is in quarantine on the ship. The ones from US MSM say no symptoms but the ones from there say the person has symptoms. I am wondering if your info and the two are related.

Here's links:

abcnews.go.com...

www.ambergristoday.com...

belizean.com...





a reply to: jadedANDcynical

originally posted by: RoseLight

I just saw a post about one of the HW from the Dallas hospital being on a cruise that left out of Galveston, and being refused to be airlifted back to the US by the Belieze government. They've been ordered back to the US. And the person is in quarantine on the ship. The ones from US MSM say no symptoms but the ones from there say the person has symptoms. I am wondering if your info and the two are related.

Here's links:

abcnews.go.com...

www.ambergristoday.com...

belizean.com...





a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Dear god, these people could have been in the restaurant I manage!

“The Carnival Magic departed from Galveston Texas on Sunday, October 12 arrived in Mahogany Bay, Honduras on Wednesday October 15 and arrived in Belize this morning, Thursday October 16.

I was working that day and poke with several cryise ship goers, some boarding the Magic...

a reply to: RoseLight
I had just finished reading this on another site and came to see if anyone had posted it. Thanks!
Apparently the government of Belieze took a look at how the US handled things and decided to try something different---denying entrance to exposed people. What a novel idea.

Belmopan. October 16, 2014. The Government of Belize was contacted today by officers of the U.S. Government and made aware of a cruise ship passenger considered of very low risk for Ebola. The passenger had voluntarily entered quarantine on board the ship and remains free of any fever or other symptoms of illness. The Ebola virus may only be spread by patients who are experiencing fever and symptoms of illness and so the US Government had emphasized the very low risk category in this case. Nonetheless, out of an abundance of caution, the Government of Belize decided not to facilitate a U.S. request for assistance in evacuating the passenger through the Phillip Goldson International Airport.

I like the "abundance of caution" approach. I hope the US officials take a hint.

The situation is still OK, considering happenings in the last days. There are still names in the media. We'll need to be worried when they will start to use numbers, like 100 more people got sick

originally posted by: baburak
The situation is still OK, considering happenings in the last days. There are still names in the media. We'll need to be worried when they will start to use numbers, like 100 more people got sick

By mid-december or January, this will likely be the case.