Ebola, inside information

...nevermind, delete, not worth my time.

a reply to: AutOmatIc

I've attacked other members? You sound extremely defensive.

Pointing out gaping errors is condescending?

Ebola is not airborne.
Ebola does not transmit pre symptoms.

The CDC, the WHO and every real medical professional in the field associated with virulent disease agrees with me...(more accurately I agree with them)

So if by posting accurate information I am being condescending then I readily accept that brand.

The site's motto is deny ignorance. I'm denying people to be blissfully ignorant with their doom porn fantasies.

a reply to: raymundoko

you keep repeating the same thing over and over. i'm pretty sure everyone gets your point by now. this post is in the grey area so i'm not sure why you can't let it go. you aren't changing any minds here.

Ebola Does Dallas: www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: pasiphae

Because that's what provocateurs do...

If people ignore him, he may just go away...

originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: AutOmatIc

I've attacked other members? You sound extremely defensive.

Pointing out gaping errors is condescending?

Ebola is not airborne.
Ebola does not transmit pre symptoms.

The CDC, the WHO and every real medical professional in the field associated with virulent disease agrees with me...(more accurately I agree with them)

So if by posting accurate information I am being condescending then I readily accept that brand.

The site's motto is deny ignorance. I'm denying people to be blissfully ignorant with their doom porn fantasies.

There in lies the fallacy with your assertions. You say that the CDC, WHO and every real medical professional in the field associated with virulent disease agrees with you. Except according to this article, which I posted on the last page, says they haven't studied the virus lately to see if it has become airborne.

triblive.com...

I have also read scientists state that this version of ebola is not something that anyone has ever dealt with before so no one knows everything about this strain. And if they haven't studied this strain to see if it is airborne, how can you or anyone emphatically say without a doubt that the virus isn't. Finally, maybe the virus is not transmissible without showing symptoms, but obviously something is different about this one considering the total of infected cases combined were around 2000 prior to this outbreak. 2000 combined over nearly 40 years.

Again, something is obviously different about this particular strain for it to have done the damage it has done so far. Logically one would think that that the potency of it is a bit less (not 90% death rate as before) but the transmission of it is easier.

Denying ignorance doesn't mean taking everything you hear from the government as truth but to look at things logically for a second and ask yourself "does that make sense?" If it does, then the next question is "then WHY is the virus taking hold way more than it ever has before?"

originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: AutOmatIc

I've attacked other members? You sound extremely defensive.

Pointing out gaping errors is condescending?

Ebola is not airborne.
Ebola does not transmit pre symptoms.

The CDC, the WHO and every real medical professional in the field associated with virulent disease agrees with me...(more accurately I agree with them)

So if by posting accurate information I am being condescending then I readily accept that brand.

The site's motto is deny ignorance. I'm denying people to be blissfully ignorant with their doom porn fantasies.

the German scientists in the oxford journal do not agree with you.

Here is an ER doc.

He is saying early stage Ebola is basically indistinguishable from the Flu.

If this outbreak grows in North America, or the developed world, health care workers will start abandoning their posts unless health care agencies come up with a protocol and PPE that is close to 100% effective. And I don't blame them.

The link to the article is in a post I made on another thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Ebola is not airborne.
Ebola does not transmit pre symptoms.

Star for that. Funny how people actually get upset when you tone down their doom porn fantasies with the truth.

-Take it easy on this guy, he's just saying it like it is...

Ebola is what it is, no need to create panic with trumped up-doom porn / off the wall theories, regardless of how excited they make you feel.

I'm not sure how to post links here yet. Im new and haven't had a chance to figure how how to use the site while on my iPhone. Hopefully I got it right, and hoping it's okay to do.
I'm in Texas so all this news has me on edge and I've not done much commenting as I've been reading many many threads trying to get informed. Anyways I saw a post from someone stating the dialysis dr and another nurse are showing symptoms. Things have gotten very interesting in the last few days, and even being a couple hrs from DFW this has me feeling very very concerned.



www.abovetopsecret.com...

well now the news is that SEVENTY healthcare workers attended thomas duncan. SEVENTY. so the OP was correct that we weren't being told how many people needed to be watched. i'm all ears OP. i'm guessing there will be others who wind up in the news. the report says there was a LOT of diarrhea, they tested urine, cleaned him, etc. i really hope no one else comes up with symptoms but with SEVENTY people in the hospital coming in contact with him..... i would imagine there will be.

Did Bob ever clarify this in another post?

originally posted by: BobAthome
a reply to: AutOmatIc

Here's some insider,, happening as we type,,

U have too guess where though.

a reply to: raymundoko

While i understand where you are coming from, and indeed a lot of "experts" on this seem to all be saying the same thing.. how can anyone be 100% that it cant be transmitted before symptoms?

One only needs to come in to contact with 1 virulent cell- as opposed to the several hundred generally seen in other virus'... and those cells are not only present in your blood, but in all bodily secretions. Now assuming you dont have ANY symptoms at all, doesnt mean those cells arent still rapidly reproducing in your body... people cough, people sneeze... people sweat.. people are dirty, we dont wash our hands- we dont cover our mouths properly. Most people will not think twice to cough into their hand, wipe it off on their jeans, and then go about their way. The new info in the NEJM is saying that not all people have the same symptoms... some never have a fever, some cough, some never vomit, some do- some never have diarrhea, some do... etc. if it can vary that much between people is it not likely that someone could have Ebola, have a high enough virus count to really do some damage... but technically not have any "symptoms"? And if so then sureley it is inevitable that they would not spread their germs ANYWHEre... especially because they dont even think they are sick yet....

All im saying is i dont think it is ever wise to say something with absolute 100% certainty when the reality is a lot more ambiguous.

a reply to: itswhatev

i totally agree with that. the experts admit they don't know exactly how it's spread. that means THEY DON"T KNOW. there is no 100% certainty. that kind of thinking will cost lives. we HAVE to consider worst case scenario. we have to leave "airborne" on the table because it just can't be ruled out. and just because something hasn't ever happened before (or is deemed impossible) doesn't mean it can't happen now.

You say it's not airborne pretty authoritatively. As others have stated, no one knows with 100% certainty if it is or isn't. Additionally, this commentary posted at the CIDRAP page states it's not beyond the realm of possibility for it to be transmitted via airborne particles.

www.cidrap.umn.edu..." target="_blank" class="postlink">COMMENTARY: Health workers need optimal respiratory protection for Ebola

Edit: this was in response to canucks555 last post

a reply to: antar

No, but again I'm pretty sure that's a manhole guard tent. It even looks rainy which makes sense. I think he was just being "funny" in poor taste.

a reply to: pasiphae

We already knew how many and discussed it in another thread. Someone even estimated half of them would end up with Ebola. No solid protocols were followed.

That was all prior to this post.

Many of the healthcare workers who attended him will get sick. We already knew this from the Nigeria incident. I believe most of those workers contracted Ebola.

Apparently the dudes family was smart enough to isolate him at home. I don't think any of them have shown symptoms yet...

a reply to: surfinguru

Again, droplet transmission is not airborne. You can get droplets within 3-6 feet of a sick person. Airborne can stay afloat as long as the air isnt too cold and there is a breeze for several meters and can float around for extended periods of time in an enclosed spaced. That's why travelers catch colds and flus on airlines, they are airborne.

If Ebola were airborne the amount of sick people would be through the roof. Plane loads of people would be infected and have died by now.

a reply to: PlanetXisHERE
Unfortunately some health care workers are refusing to go to work helping ebola patients. Who can blame them, but where does that leave us the potential next patients? Then you have people too scared to go get checked out and isolated. Too scared to go near hospitals to get any other ailment checked out. Right now this panic level is at a minimum , but it won't be too much longer once others ( who helped Duncan) are testing positive for ebola.

a reply to: itswhatev

Because there are zero documented cases of it being transmitted pre symptoms...and it's been around a while...

Does that mean we can be less cautious? No. It just means you can safely ignore most doom porners for now.