Supreme Court paves way for gay marriage in several states, leaves issue unresolved nationally

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: itguysrule

Wow jow Christian of you.
Your god is angry at you.

You obviously do not know God at all yet you feel like you can judge other people. Of all the sins, pride may be the worst. But I guess you don't believe in God or sin so everything is OK.

originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: Rodinus

We already know how reasonable Christians act in this situation. When your son is gay and you truly love your child (as parents should and in general Christians should) you realize the error of your ways and continue loving them. This anti gay Republican politician is apparently a textbook example of understanding the lessons of both Jesus and common decency.

mobile.reuters.com...

A new Pew study also shows how attitudes towards religion skew higher if you actually know someone who is of that religion.

"Knowing someone from a religious group is linked with having relatively more positive views of that group."

It's quite easy to extrapolate that most people who are anti gay don't actually know anyone who is gay except extremely noticeable out gay people they just pass by. I've already offered the viewpoint of a very very mainstream American citizen with centrist views if the anti gay people want specifics. It's very easy to generalize and discriminate if you don't know anyone as shown by my first link.

The study is interesting in general and linked below.

www.pewforum.org...

Sadly, when you have people that have been religiously educated (I will not use the term brainwashed) then EVERYTHING is against what they believe in.

I just don't get it that so many biased religiously educated people can actually come to a site such as ATS when there are so many other religious based sites out there on this humongous planet? (Well... actually I DO get it as they need to share what has been banged into their heads since the day they were born)... Shame really is it not to be at least 1 percent open minded?

Thanks for the link, I will take some time today to read through it.

Kindest respects

Rodinus

a reply to: Rodinus

I just don't get it that so many biased religiously educated people can actually come to a site such as ATS when there are so many other religious based sites out there on this humongous planet?

Same can be said about athiests, and every other religion besides christianity. And same with gays. Plenty sites that exclusively serve whatever group you can think of. Why do they come here? I guess because they feel like it. Why do you come here?

originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: Rodinus

I just don't get it that so many biased religiously educated people can actually come to a site such as ATS when there are so many other religious based sites out there on this humongous planet?

Same can be said about athiests, and every other religion besides christianity. And same with gays. Plenty sites that exclusively serve whatever group you can think of. Why do they come here? I guess because they feel like it. Why do you come here?

Great point of view

The reason why I joined ATS and the reason why I am still here?

Quite simply because I am open minded and at the ripe old age of 48, I still think that there are humongous amount of things that can be learned and shared along lifes pathway and why not at the same time change the way that certain educational principles were literally banged into my head, back and arse when I was a child.

Thats why....

Kindest respects

Rodinus

a reply to: itguysrule

I believe in god.
Just not religion because it is man made.
You don't have to be religious to understand god.
In fact religion takes you away from her.

a reply to: boymonkey74

All religion does if make divisions and help people hate others.
It gives bigots an excuse to be so, hiding behind their brand pf club.
Like you have proved.
Notice how you did not answer what I asked
Why follow the old testiment stuff?
The same which says eating shellfish is a sin
You cherry pick don't you.

A lot of you have mentioned the baker in Colorado. You may think the people walked in, said "Hey we are super gay and we want to get hitched," and he responded "Blasphemers!" and held up a cross. It didn't happen that way. The couple went in and had already contracted the guy to make their cake. There had already been some money exchanged. When they started getting in to specifics, such as decorations, flavors etc., that is when the baker found out it was a same sex marriage, backed out, and cancelled their contract. Since he didn't have any other legal reason to cancel the contract other than his own concept of sin, it was viewed as discrimination.

Money and time had been invested, and that is the only reason why there was a stink made of it. At first, the couple just were going to sue for breach of contract, but their lawyer advised them they had a discrimination case on their hands and they decided to take it to the next level.

And, although unproved, I have heard that the guy had made cakes for other gay weddings/committment ceremonies and such before, but that was more than likely because he didn't know what they were for. Again, that is rumored and unconfirmed.

I should know all this by the way, because I am from the area and know some of the parties involved.

a reply to: TKDRL

Just for the record I'm not atheist. I also prefer not to identify as gay but as human. Sadly it's impossible to be gay and mind your own business. 100% impossible if you want anything resembling a normal life like heterosexuals get (assuming they are healthy sane and not discriminate against for other reasons like race gender or religion etc).

a reply to: boymonkey74

That's an overgeneralization. Let's be fair. Religion was a tool for cooperation among homogenous social groups like tribes. It had a purpose but secularism is a better way to have cooperation.

Also religion is only a negative force when the message is lost nitpicking over details. The core message of every major religion is generally "let's respect each other, we're all human.". This message gets warped by strict adherence to unnecessary principles (like the shellfish thing), interplay with local culture, and games of power.

Almost all religious person I've met personally fantastic tolerant people or at least merely misguided. The problem with religion lies in orthodoxy and fundamentalism.

a reply to: angrypsycho1977

Are you sure it wasn't the gay agenda nut jobs going out of their way to oppress the hatred and persecuted heterosexuals? That seems much more likely.....

a reply to: boymonkey74

a reply to: tavi45

I have met a few decent religious people but I have met far more gay folk who are actually decent people.
I work with one lad whom went to a religious school and he came out at that school and he had to deal with a physical assault which involved a broom handle plus his family disowned him at the same time, he is the best person I have ever met and even though he is not religious he puts many religious people to shame because of his warm kind hearted nature.
I would be fine with religion If it did not say things that are natural are a sin.
Also like I have said why do people cherry pick what is good or bad from the bible?.
Have any of you read what else is a sin in the old testament? it is just bigotory plain and simple.
Also did any of you see that study which showed gay porn to bigots and people who do not mind gay folk? well the bigots got turned on more, so maybe they are fighting what is natural to them...many anti gay folk are actually in the closet.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: tavi45

I have met a few decent religious people but I have met far more gay folk who are actually decent people.
I work with one lad whom went to a religious school and he came out at that school and he had to deal with a physical assault which involved a broom handle plus his family disowned him at the same time, he is the best person I have ever met and even though he is not religious he puts many religious people to shame because of his warm kind hearted nature.
I would be fine with religion If it did not say things that are natural are a sin.
Also like I have said why do people cherry pick what is good or bad from the bible?.
Have any of you read what else is a sin in the old testament? it is just bigotory plain and simple.
Also did any of you see that study which showed gay porn to bigots and people who do not mind gay folk? well the bigots got turned on more, so maybe they are fighting what is natural to them...many anti gay folk are actually in the closet.

I am straight (hate this word)... so lets say Heterosexual for other people.

Grew up most of my life with many many happy BUT ALSO MANY MANY UNHAPPY AND DOWNRIGHT NASTY straight... religious and non religious people too...

The fact of my personal matter is the following :

My best mate who lives in England was a kid that I grew up on the back street of Yorkshire... By cripes did we do some wicked things as kids...

Lost sight of him from age 16 until aound 22 then met up with him again.

He had not changed a bit... he just told me that he was gay.... SO EFFING WHAT???

I am proud to say and also on behalf of my son Rod Jr and Mrs Rod that My best friend (Brian... I love you mate... you have done so much for us in so many ways as we have done for you...) is the godfather (or as he puts it just to have a laugh) the godmother/Godqueen of my son...

Open up your blinkers certain folks? (just a suggestion???)

Kindest respects

Rodinus

As usual and being crap as I am I screwed up my quoting again so please just bare with me and re-read what I wrote above with a few added bits and bobs if you may? :

Great point of view

The reason why I joined ATS and the reason why I am still here?

Quite simply because I am open minded and at the ripe old age of 48, I still think that there are humongous amount of things that can be learned and shared along lifes pathway and why not at the same time change the way that certain educational principles were literally banged into my head, back and arse when I was a child.

Thats why....

Most of you religious fanatics should try to read between the lines of what I have just written... but then again you are not capable and will probably just bang out a couple of phrases from the holy bible as usual or whatever was shoved down your throat too as a kid... COME ON...???

Whats the point seriously trying to discuss/debate a topic or have a logical down to earth conversation with people that have been brainwashed by religion and will not take their blinkers off to see that their so called God has done nothing so far with all his/her powers????

Kindest respects

Rodinus

originally posted by: itguysrule
...preserve traditional marriage...

What does "preserve traditional marriage" mean? If you mean marriage between a man and a woman... it will still be rampant, I assure you. You will still have the option of marrying the opposite gender.

If you mean that marriage should be an 'exclusive club' that only straight people belong to, then, yes, I'm afraid that will be a thing of the past. What is the problem with that? What is the problem with other people being able to marry?

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
Photographers however I do feel should have a choice...

Seems an abuse of rights forcing people to work where they don't want to...

What if someone asked a photographer to shoot a porno and they found it immoral?
They shouldn't have to...
I see it the same as a gay wedding...

But cake baking?
You haven't got to be there...
& no one is asking for a penis on the cake, just two Iced men on regular tiered cake...
That's hardly the same thing!

Here's the thing. If a photographer shoots weddings, then he should shoot weddings, regardless who the wedding is for. If he doesn't shoot porn films, then, of course he shouldn't be forced to shoot one. But if he advertizes as a wedding photographer, then he should shoot weddings. Period. He's not there to approve of the people getting married.

And the famous "cake case" in Colorado - they didn't ask for two men on the cake. They asked for a cake and were told no, because they were gay. No details were even discussed.

originally posted by: angrypsycho1977
A lot of you have mentioned the baker in Colorado. You may think the people walked in, said "Hey we are super gay and we want to get hitched," and he responded "Blasphemers!" and held up a cross. It didn't happen that way. The couple went in and had already contracted the guy to make their cake. There had already been some money exchanged. When they started getting in to specifics, such as decorations, flavors etc., that is when the baker found out it was a same sex marriage, backed out, and cancelled their contract. Since he didn't have any other legal reason to cancel the contract other than his own concept of sin, it was viewed as discrimination.

WHERE did you get this story??? Every story out there says they were turned down immediately on their first visit.

They went into the Masterpiece Cake Shop thinking they’d spend a full day trying cakes for their ceremony. Instead the meeting lasted a few seconds.

“My first comment was, ‘We’re getting married,’ and he just shut that down immediately,” Craig said.

Mullin and Craig were stunned. They went online and posted their experience on Facebook. The response has been huge.

Source

Unless you have a source that says otherwise, I'm going to believe every news source out there.

I should know all this by the way, because I am from the area and know some of the parties involved.

Oh, really?

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

Unless you have a source that says otherwise, I'm going to believe every news source out there.

I also want to know the source of this hearsay. I too never heard any of this.

(Although it is known 2 other gay couples were rejected prior to David and Charlie)

A photo of the wedding cake, someone else made, was later provided. It was a beautiful, classy, traditional cake.

a reply to: Darth_Prime

i'm going to assume you have tons of Gay Friends that tell you this right?

Yeah well they do say assumption is the mother of all snip ups.

I have never made it a point going around asking my 'friends' if they were gay.

Never been a GD issue.

Yes, being gay should not be an issue.

Fighting for equality is only an issue when there's opposition.