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Leon Panetta - USA Should Brace for Thirty Year War Against ISIS/Emerging Threats

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posted on Oct, 6 2014 @ 08:28 AM
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USA Today - Leon Panetta - '30-year war' and a leadership test for Obama


CARMEL VALLEY, Calif. — Americans should be braced for a long battle against the brutal terrorist group Islamic State that will test U.S. resolve — and the leadership of the commander in chief, says Leon Panetta, who headed the CIA and then the Pentagon as Al Qaeda was weakened and Osama bin Laden killed.

"I think we're looking at kind of a 30-year war," he says, one that will have to extend beyond Islamic State to include emerging threats in Nigeria, Somalia, Yemen, Libya and elsewhere.

In his first interview about his new book, Worthy Fights: A Memoir of Leadership in War and Peace, Panetta argues that decisions made by President Obama over the past three years have made that battle more difficult — an explosive assessment by a respected policymaker of the president he served.


We have already been at war against extremism for thirty years. He's saying it'll be thirty more and it'll be more intense. I say the war against extremists will continue as long as there is any religion with political ideologies on the planet (And the Abrahamic religions all have political ideologies as a part of them). IMHO - there will be no end to the '30 year war' ... extremists are here to stay, at least until humans evolve, and that doesn't seem to be something that will happen anytime soon.

There will always be a threat on the horizon in which we need to prepare for. Religious extremists ... political ideologies ... or just an issue that the old fashioned money making folks say is big enough to need military intervention with. There will always be a war of some kind. It won't end in 30 years.

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posted on Oct, 6 2014 @ 08:36 AM
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a reply to: FlyersFan

That should be just about the time needed to get off oil reliance and onto a few other better solutions. I often wonder if there was no oil in the Middle East would we even know about this right now. Look at all the war related atrocities happening in Africa and we just let that go on indefinitely.

Sorry for my cynical stance on this, but the whole 'Terrorist' thing seems to have become a loophole for allowing governments to do whatever they want. It's like washing the dishes really poorly, so the next time your wife doesn't even ask for help and does it for you.
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posted on Oct, 6 2014 @ 08:39 AM
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a reply to: FlyersFan

I'm surprised he didn't announce a Thousand Year Reich. Fasten your seat belts everyone, we are in it for the long haul. Carte Blanche to invade anyone and do anything we want to for the foreseeable future.

"Get them terrors."



posted on Oct, 6 2014 @ 08:46 AM
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originally posted by: intrptr
I'm surprised he didn't announce a Thousand Year Reich.

I'm surprised that he admitted to the 30 years at all. Most Americans probably think that this campaign against ISIS will be a week or two of dropping bombs from a high altitude and then walking away. It's obviously not going to work like that. There will always be an up and coming extremist-terrorist group to combat against.

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posted on Oct, 6 2014 @ 08:48 AM
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I'd hope that well before that 30 year war was up, the people would have hung those responsible for them, and profiting from them, from the nearest lamp posts!

In other words, what he is saying is, "listen up maggots, you WILL keep paying your taxes and we WILL keep funding the war machine, whether you like it or not". I am sure in that time they can also come up with some ever more scarier enemies and direct a few more videos for public consumption to get the sheeple baying for blood and revenge.



posted on Oct, 6 2014 @ 08:55 AM
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Just 30 years?

I would expect way way more than that.



posted on Oct, 6 2014 @ 08:57 AM
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a reply to: AnteBellum

What is not readily understood and saddens me, is the fact America is a world super power. American interests lye far beyond the homeland, Indeed there is much intelligence you and I are not privy to. I agree with this because our enemies are not only ideologically based but resource as well. What I do not agree with, is that the goverment sells it as some sort of moral obligation which has many implications in of it's self. When in reality this is strictly ethical, If America was not making these strategic moves another super power would. The fact is resource is finite on this earth, the fact is non western countries are procreating at an alarming rate which ultimately equals less resource at some time and surly more war. Do I believe any of this is morally right no I do not. In the abstract I wish for the world to unite and focus our efforts towards the stars. However practically right now I do not see this possibility and I realize many sides who are all justifiably right are fighting for the same thing and that is resource. In this realization, I believe it really comes down to which side you stand on, yes the west dose have evils and many blights , however our love for freedom, our protection of the less fortunate, our art, our culture, our love for man kind(inside the umbrella,which is ironic but sadly very ethical) is why I stand with us and would die for our interests. Ultimately if there is a top dog a winner amongst the dust, I would like it to be the west because of the things I've mentioned, that's all I have to say about that . Thanks



posted on Oct, 6 2014 @ 08:58 AM
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Thirty?

A few more centuries is more like it.



posted on Oct, 6 2014 @ 09:34 AM
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Ah yes, the thirty year war; Blank checks and fabricated boogiemen--all so the US war machine can stay on top and oppress all who oppose. Yep. What an outlook for us taxpaying sheep.



posted on Oct, 6 2014 @ 09:39 AM
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a reply to: Fylgje

Ah yes, the evil western empire a true anomalie amongst humans, why do they act this way? Why do they oppress?Surely a foreign concept to man kind, and dose not exist outside of this dark western frontier. How about you wake up, and stop unloading drivel and empty, repeated, rhetoric that neither speaks to your status, and or intelligence. Rather it makes you look like a fool speaking like a fool.
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posted on Oct, 6 2014 @ 09:40 AM
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They found on an IS laptop, a scheme for weaponizing ebola as a bioweapon, I hope they go through with that and bumble it like any other complicated technical achievement they try, which will hopefully wipe them out...








Or did they already try?



posted on Oct, 6 2014 @ 09:56 AM
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originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: Fylgje

Ah yes, the evil western empire a true anomalie amongst humans, why do they act this way? Why do they oppress?Surely a foreign concept to man kind, and dose not exist outside of this dark western frontier. How about you wake up, and stop unloading drivel and empty, repeated, rhetoric that neither speaks to your status, and or intelligence. Rather it makes you look like a fool speaking like a fool.


What wasn't true about what Fylgje said?

Explain please.......



posted on Oct, 6 2014 @ 10:07 AM
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Am I the only one secretly wishing for a "scorched earth" policy regarding these primates?



posted on Oct, 6 2014 @ 10:18 AM
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a reply to: seeker1963

Well, please refer to my post above to give some context on western actions. Furthermore the west dose not oppress in the true sense we offer very much the same articulation, convert or else. What are we asking to convert to? A more level head perhaps? An open mind, where you can practice your ideology your creed, so long your belief is not one to rise up and oppress another. Seems reasonable , at least amongst the absurdities of life. We all have interests and yes, in a Walgreens world we could unite settle our tribal differences and focus our intellect on spreading to the stars. Sadly these ideologies, no matter how absurd are grounded in a very practical and down to earth concept, and that is resource and the finite nature of this resource. I believe the broad brush painting of the umbrella you live under is a very simplistic and ignorant way. When truthfully the freedoms you exercise in doing so, is provided by the ideology you so hate.(you in the most general sense) are you tracking? And where do you disagree?
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posted on Oct, 6 2014 @ 10:18 AM
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Panetta just sounds like a 20th century dinosaur. His life has been in the military so he knows no different. He still believes in arming jihadist militants and as for having a thirty year war he must have shares in Lockheed-Martin or Boeing. And by the way who is going to pay for a thirty year war? Can America afford it? Is it worth it? I don' think so.



posted on Oct, 6 2014 @ 10:26 AM
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America is in the Business of exporting war. Business is good; at least for those that profit in war manufacturing, support services, transportation of war materials, guns, bombs, electronics, medical supplies....to many to mention.

A huge part of Americas economy is supported by war. Guess who pays for it?



posted on Oct, 6 2014 @ 10:33 AM
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a reply to: olaru12

Agreed, what would you have us do? Lay down? Allow other ideologies exploiting the same resource, take over. I wonder wether you would have the same freedom of descent under such rule. Though I support your descent as it is a vital part of our society and must exist and be protected at any cost.
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posted on Oct, 6 2014 @ 10:36 AM
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originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: seeker1963

Well, please refer to my post above to give some context on western actions. Furthermore the west dose not oppress in the true sense we offer very much the same articulation, convert or else. What are we asking to convert to? A more level head perhaps? An open mind, where you can practice your ideology your creed, so long your belief is not one to rise up and oppress another. Seems reasonable , at least amongst the absurdities of life. We all have interests and yes, in a Walgreens world we could unite settle our tribal differences and focus our intellect on spreading to the stars. Sadly these ideologies, no matter how absurd are grounded in a very practical and down to earth concept, and that is resource and the finite nature of this resource. I believe the broad brush painting of the umbrella you live under is a very simplistic and ignorant way. When truthfully the freedoms you exercise in doing so, is provided by the ideology you so hate.(you in the most general sense) are you tracking? And where do you disagree?


You bring up "resources" which I agree. As far as "converting" goes, we have a "globalist cabal" that are acting out religiously to convert the masses to their idea of a "global religion" in which they hold ALL power and authority over us. One is religion and one is a "power trip". Odd though, how they can be so closely compared.........

Although it is resource driven, how about the "power"? I get the resource side of the equation, but what about the growing "police state"? If all they want is resources, they why apply laws that do nothing more than move nations away from sovereignty?

You are also leaving out the fact that the countries we have invaded in the name of "Democracy" are the same countries who used the gold standard for monetary reasons and refused to sign up for massive debt with World Bank and it's minions.

There are many aspects to scour over when it comes to "why we kill in the name of Democracy". The puzzle is HUGE, and for those who wear blinders, it becomes difficult to see the whole picture............



posted on Oct, 6 2014 @ 10:50 AM
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a reply to: seeker1963

Indeed amongst our own powers we must fight against the Orwellian world that is very much possible and a consequence of global conquest we are meeting the curve of our psychological maturity and our technology. Thankfully we have principles that sepperate church and government , we had very smart men who read literature (apparently a thing of the past) who provided for this actuality. I don't think you can equate the two however; I believe that everything isn't a conspiracy and the world is as stupid as it seems. I believe in cause and effect, the foreign policy of protecting resource ultimately infringes upon our rights as a citizen.( and I will also say if viewing from the south side of Dallas it dose look like the skyline is giving you the middle finger. I've been there) regardless this conversation is very valid and we should cherish that we have it, that's why I stand where I stand. If the government becomes all encompassing and as a policy infringes upon us the people, we must rise up as these provisions have been accounted for from our beginning. Beyond all this political BS I am of the mind we must find a way to unite live peacefully and focus our efforts as a race to further man kind. It just so happens, I this the west is the closest to achieving this goal.
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posted on Oct, 6 2014 @ 10:59 AM
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originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: olaru12

Agreed, what would you have us do? Lay down? Allow other ideologies exploiting the same resource, take over. I wonder wether you would have the same freedom of descent under such rule. Though I support your descent as it is a vital part of our society and must exist and be protected at any cost.


If you don't know the difference between "descent" and "dissent" ...wtf?

.It's a huge distinction! To discuss a subject with any kind of credibility; it's imperative to know the nomenclature.
You just lost all your credibility as far as I'm concerned.

btw....I'm not dissenting, just pointing out the facts of the matter.


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