What If it is not Ebola?

a reply to: Unity_99

can we also get some back info on china adding to the polio vaccine material..

(careful on the source.. I do not remember the ones not kosher here)

Ahh well it has been nice reading the post on here the last few years hope when my eyes are bleeding i can still logon..

a reply to: rockpaperhammock

Amaz on: The Hot Zone

The bestselling landmark account of the first emergence of the Ebola virus. A highly infectious, deadly virus from the central African rain forest suddenly appears in the suburbs of Washington, D.C. There is no cure. In a few days 90 percent of its victims are dead. A secret military SWAT team of soldiers and scientists is mobilized to stop the outbreak of this exotic "hot" virus. The Hot Zone tells this dramatic story, giving a hair-raising account of the appearance of rare and lethal viruses and their "crashes" into the human race. Shocking, frightening, and impossible to ignore, The Hot Zone proves that truth really is scarier than fiction.

and

The_Hot_Zone

The Hot Zone: A Terrifying True Story is a best-selling[1] 1995 non-fiction thriller by Richard Preston about the origins and incidents involving viral hemorrhagic fevers, particularly ebolaviruses and marburgviruses. The basis of the book was Preston's 1992 New Yorker article "Crisis in the Hot Zone".[2]

The filoviruses Ebola virus (EBOV), Sudan virus (SUDV), Marburg virus (MARV), and Ravn virus (RAVV) are Biosafety Level 4 agents. Biosafety Level 4 agents are extremely dangerous to humans because they are very infectious, have a high case-fatality rate, and there are no known prophylactics, treatments, or cures. Along with describing the history of the diseases caused by these two Central African diseases, Ebola virus disease (EVD) and Marburg virus disease (MVD), Preston describes a 1989 incident in which a relative of Ebola virus named Reston virus (RESTV), was discovered at a primate quarantine facility in Reston, Virginia, less than fifteen miles (24 km) away from Washington, DC. The virus found at the facility was a mutated form of the original Ebola virus, and was initially mistaken for Simian Hemorrhagic Fever (SHV). The original Reston facility involved in the incident, located at 1946 Isaac Newton Square, was subsequently torn down sometime between 1995 and 1998.[3]

this book correct

a reply to: GogoVicMorrow

We will agree to disagree

I did address this earlier I feel

(Lassa?)

answering your next post to continue an earlier thought

Hi ripcontrol,yes Marburg symptoms are very similar to those of Ebola-the Marburg virus originated in and around Uganda,where80 people are in quarantine at the moment:
www.washingtonpost.com...

The outbreak in Germany was caused by lab workers handling green monkeys from Uganda.Btw no,you were misinformed when as a child,you were told that Ebola is 100% fatal-it has a high mortality rate,but there are always survivors,even if,like with Marburg,the survival rates are not high.

And I would'nt trust the CDC either,in general-and as a South African,am rather surprised at their bumbling+fumbling in the Duncan case.Lies are to be expected,but I had the perception that at least they would be extremely competent in dealing with a matter like Thomas Duncan's infection.reply to: ripcontrol

a reply to: GogoVicMorrow
Thank you for bringing up this point to answer an earlier post (Not just the one you responded to)

en.wikipedia.org...

(linked a lot earlier and mentioned multiple threads)

Ravn Virus

Ravn virus (RAVV) is a close relative of the much more commonly known Marburg virus (MARV). RAVV causes severe disease in humans and (experimentally) in nonhuman primates in the form of viral hemorrhagic fever. RAVV is a Select Agent,[1] World Health Organization Risk Group 4 Pathogen (requiring Biosafety Level 4-equivalent containment),[2] National Institutes of Health/National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Category A Priority Pathogen,[3] Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Category A Bioterrorism Agent,[4] and listed as a Biological Agent for Export Control by the Australia Group.[5]

Reston virus

Reston virus (abbreviated RESTV) was first described in 1990 as a new "strain" of Ebola virus (EBOV), a result of mutation from Ebola virus.[1] It is the single member of the species Reston ebolavirus, which is included into the genus Ebolavirus, family Filoviridae, order Mononegavirales.[2] Reston virus is named after Reston, Virginia, US, where the virus was first discovered.

RESTV was discovered in crab-eating macaques from Hazleton Laboratories (now Covance) in 1989. This attracted significant media attention due to the proximity of Reston to the Washington, DC metro area, and the lethality of a closely related Ebola virus. Despite its status as a level-4 organism, Reston virus is non-pathogenic to humans, though hazardous to monkeys;[3][4] the perception of its lethality was compounded by the monkey's coinfection with Simian hemorrhagic fever virus (SHFV).[5]

Simian Hemoorhagic fever virus

Simian hemorrhagic fever virus or simian haemorrhagic fever virus or SHFV is a highly pathogenic virus in monkeys. It is a positive-stranded RNA virus classified in the family Arteriviridae.

Hosts[edit]
Patas are believed to be the natural host for the virus since about 50% of wild patas monkeys have antibodies for the virus, while antibodies are much less prevalent in other simian species such as vervets and baboons. In macaques, however, infection with this virus can result in acute severe disease with high mortality. Recently, red colobus monkeys and red-tailed guenons have been identified as natural hosts for SHFV.[1][2]

Taï Forest virus

Taï Forest virus (TAFV) is a close relative of the much more commonly known Ebola virus (EBOV). TAFV causes severe disease in primates, the Ebola hemorrhagic fever. TAFV is a Select Agent, World Health Organization Risk Group 4 Pathogen (requiring Biosafety Level 4-equivalent containment), National Institutes of Health/National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Category A Priority Pathogen, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Category A Bioterrorism Agent, and listed as a Biological Agent for Export Control by the Australia Group.

and your earlier mention

Lassa_virus

Lassa virus (LASV) is an Old World arenavirus that causes Lassa hemorrhagic fever,[1] a type of viral hemorrhagic fever (VHF) in human and non-human primates. Lassa virus is an emerging virus and a select agent, requiring Biosafety Level 4-equivalent containment. It is endemic in West African countries, especially Sierra Leone, the Republic of Guinea, Nigeria, and Liberia, where the annual incidence of infection is between 300,000 and 500,000 cases, resulting in 5,000 deaths per year.[2] Recent discoveries on the Lassa Virus within the Mano River Region provide evidence will require the expansion the endemicity zone between the two known Lassa endemic regions, indicating that LASV is more widely distributed throughout the Tropical Wooded Savanna ecozone in West Africa.[3] Currently, there are no approved vaccines against Lassa fever for use in humans.[4]

a reply to: rockpaperhammock

Bundibugyo_virus

Bundibugyo virus (BDBV) is a close relative of the much more commonly known Ebola virus (EBOV). BDBV causes severe disease in humans and (experimentally) in nonhuman primates, the Ebola hemorrhagic fever. BDBV is a Select Agent, World Health Organization Risk Group 4 Pathogen (requiring Biosafety Level 4-equivalent containment), National Institutes of Health/National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Category A Priority Pathogen, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Category A Bioterrorism Agent, and is listed as a Biological Agent for Export Control by the Australia Group.

a reply to: eldemie

Nefs favorite subject..


LOL

originally posted by: Lyxdeslic
If it's a weaponized disease, I called it months ago and people called me stupid.
Go figure.

Post the link here if you like to the post

originally posted by: FamCore
Another thought I had - didn't scientists successfully combine flu strains into a single, more potent/damaging strain? Could they potentially combine this virus (or others) with the deadliest strain of ebola to create a FrankenVirus that's much more likely to wreak havoc?

a reply to: ripcontrol

I am not sure..

I had not heard of them doing that.. It is not outside the reach
I would not mind reading the link

It is the real possibility they have.. it also means a cure is just as easy in principle (not real wise but in principle)

originally posted by: yorkshirelad
Oh for God's sake do you lot never read!

Please read how AND MORE IMPORTANTLY WHEN !!!!!!! Ebola was discovered and how and how it was named.

Once you do that then the two unaffected brain cells left in the conspiratorial head will go DUH! its a natural virus.

Unfortunately such a conclusion prevents doom porn excitement doesn't it..........

I read a lot
GF is actually pissed because I gave eight more books a new forever home
(its the thing with paper between two thicker pieces of dead trees)

Lets take those two brain cells and rub them together

1) Weaponization of diseases

Been going on long time
historian agrue over use in war
(earliest I heard confirmed was the launching of dead plague bodies over castle walls- Got an earlier example)

2) Define Natural

Arsenic is as natural as a damn built by a beaver
For the purposes of the discussion I will grant your definition temporarily
Something non-biological forces form
with the possible addition of natural selection in an environment producing

3)even with your constraints

a)you never covered details of shipping and handling

b) also thread here over it might be something different
The government lying over which one it is because of reason X

a reply to: Quadlink

a reply to: Raxoxane

I also did not have the level access to information I have now..(was informed by old man and varified since.. aint no such thing as a hundred percent.. If it is being sold to you back out the room real slowly..)

this was pre 97



As for the CDC.. Never trusted them.. Especially after delivering some supplies to them... Admin types no field touch.. mostly trimable fat from government budget

Hell the DoHS could do the administrative part better

Yes Russia has vast resources,and then there is the hardiness and indomitable spirit of her citizens,or should i say her children,which will certainly be an advantage in a global meltdown.Btw,did you know how Russians refer to their country? Living in South Africa,i have Russian tourists speak,and when they speak in Russian you hear them always refer to their country as "Mama Russka",which is just a small indication of the bone-deep and abiding love and loyalty that Russian citizens feel for their country.

Anyway,to move from poetic phrases to the practical: I have not read or heard anything that gives me the slightest reason to even remotely suspect that there is a Russian origin to this unprecedented Ebola outbreak.What Russia HAS done,is to be prudent and sensible,by automatically quarantining students and individuals from high-risk countries-which is the type of response one would expect from ANY country whose government has the best interests of it's citizen's at heart..Russia seems to place it's citizen's welfare above kowtowing to the pc progressive agenda that is crippling the US,among others.

Even South Africa's feeble government has done more than the US to try and keep the disease from entering our country,and that says a lot:

www.southafrica.info...

As Yorkshirelad said-this IS one of nature's own-it's a natural -world hazard like lions and black mambas,and sooner or later people Will run into it.BUT seeing as this Is a conspiracy site,as you reminded me,i posted that link in my first reply on this thread-i've tried to access other links too,but not that one nor any page with the relevant search string will open at the moment,i've tried several,its the oddest thing.But check my link or google US biolabs epicenter ebola kenema-Russia was not the country running a controversial biolab right at the epicenter of this devastating ebola outbreak.Or Marburg,as the OP suggests.

Now before one would see Russia as the boogeyman ,if i was an American-i would ask myself-what has my own country done to protect myself and fellow citizens from the people Streaming in from high-risk countries? Which country was it that had a controversial bio-lab at the epicentre of this current outbreak? Which country is it that does patently NOT have it's citizen's best interests at heart? Which country is the lapdog of the "elite" ruling this planet at this time? If i was American,i for one would see see the Russian bear as a fluffy soft toy teddybear,in comparison to the out of control Grizzly that is my own government.


reply to: Ridhya

a reply to: ripcontrol

The Georgia Guidestones is a granite monument in Elbert County, Georgia, in the United States.
Sometimes called the "American Stonehenge" more info in the link

Georgia_Guidestones

a reply to: ripcontrol

Final diagnosis and confirmation is based on molecular testing - there's Ebola in West Africa, Marburg in Uganda, and a lot more deadly ones coming. Best get ready.

First Ebola, now Marburg. Here’s why deadly viruses are on the rise in Africa

….Why do these viruses seem to be flaring up more often? While it’s not yet clear where the Ugandan patient contracted Marburg, in general, this is likely happening because, as mining and agricultural industry push further into tropical forests, humans are coming into contact with infected animals much more frequently. Several Marburg outbreaks, for instance, have begun by infecting miners.

Forests are home to what are called the viruses’ “reservoir hosts,” the animal populations that harbor a virus in between human outbreaks but are immune to its symptoms. While Marburg hides out in fruit bats, other similar viruses thrive in rodent populations.

No one knows for certain where Ebola lies low in between epidemics, which makes it hard to anticipate where future outbreaks will occur. However, some research suggests that, like Marburg, fruit bats also incubate Ebola.

Bats are excellent at this because they hang out in huge colonies, packed tightly into caves, which makes it easy for the virus to spread among them. And the more a virus leaps from host to host, the greater the chance for it to mutate into a form even deadlier to humans. Scientists suspect that primates or monkeys are first infected with the virus after eating fruit tainted with urine or other bat fluids. They then pass the virus on to humans.

a reply to: ripcontrol

Excellent post! This explains a lot. Ebola is indigenous to Africa, and has outbreaks every few years - as it has had for hundreds of years.

And I never understood how the media is panicking, when the cases in the west are in single digits. And if Marburg is air-borne, and Ebola is contact-only, how are they ever going to prove transmission if the people who are sick are in single-digits?

I guess those cozy weekends (Elitist) George W. spent with (Elitist) Putin at Camp David are finally paying off. Problem is, in a Pandemic, those with compromised immune systems will be the first to go ...

Not the Russians, IMO. I never seen Russia as sneaky or subtle... be that a good or bad thing. Subtleness / sneakiness seems to be against their nature.

a reply to: MKMoniker

....Problem is, in a Pandemic, those with compromised immune systems will be the first to go ...

No. Problem is Ebola, like the new bird flus, kill the young and healthy. 'Tis the nature of the cytokine storm. Seems the Big Boyz are still working out the glitches.

Fresh Graves Point to Undercount of Ebola Toll

….The majority of the recent deaths recorded at the cemetery were young people — young adults, people in early middle age, or children — with very few elderly people on the list.

So, I know this might be a little out there, but after reading this thread it sorta hit me out of no where and creeped me out a little. A couple of years ago I did a bunch of research on the Denver Airport murals. There was one that always made me cringe a little, and suddenly it sorta fits the scenario if this were the Marburg virus.

Airport Mural

Like I said...I know it might be a bit out there, but with everything that's happening nothing would really surprise me anymore. I at least thought it was worth sharing.