Germany considers sending soldiers to eastern Ukraine: source

a reply to: GargIndia

My sources are quite diverse. I have to provide links as per the rules of your website "abovetopsecret". People here expect links. My sources are generally not quotable.

SO then you must be making things up if you can't quote your so called sources. Or your sources are BIN, and sources of that nature which is why you can't use them here?

a reply to: Xcathdra

The troops are for the OSCE plan Russia agreed to. Or are you suggesting Russia lied to the OSCE and the world when they supported OSCE monitors?

Russia lying...No that would never happen.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: GargIndia

My sources are quite diverse. I have to provide links as per the rules of your website "abovetopsecret". People here expect links. My sources are generally not quotable.

SO then you must be making things up if you can't quote your so called sources. Or your sources are BIN, and sources of that nature which is why you can't use them here?

What difference does it make to you?

Recycling MSM junk can not be called an intelligent discussion, is it??

My quote is from an organization that operates legally in USA and UK. What is wrong with the quote.

This is the list of chapters (branches) of the organization that published that article which I linked:

Current sections [SEP]
Australia - Socialist Equality Party (Australia)
Canada - Socialist Equality Party (Canada)
Germany - Social Equality Party (Germany)
Sri Lanka - Socialist Equality Party (Sri Lanka)
United Kingdom - Socialist Equality Party (UK)
United States - Socialist Equality Party (United States)

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: Xcathdra

The troops are for the OSCE plan Russia agreed to. Or are you suggesting Russia lied to the OSCE and the world when they supported OSCE monitors?

Russia lying...No that would never happen.

You talk about an OSCE plan which ostensibly Russia agreed to. Can you link detail of that plan??

originally posted by: Xcathdra

If the OSCE authorizes it and Ukraine accepts I am curious how russia is going to respond. Even though Russia claims they want a peaceful settlement and also claim they have no troops in Ukraine, the presence of foreign troops along the border could very well throw a wrench in the gears for Putin.

This will NOT escalate things ... since Russia is a member of OSCE as well. This means, that they will have direct access to monitor the peace in Ukraine, on equal grounds.

Smart move by the Germans, but neither the US nor Ukraine will accept.

a reply to: bjarneorn

How is it "smart" if neither US nor Ukraine accept it, as you say.

The diplomacy works best when it is silent. The spadework has to be done before the seed is planted.

a reply to: bjarneorn

Ukraine welcomed it.

The US would be ok with it as well.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Where are German soldiers???

When did you start this thread. Are Germans walking all the way to Ukraine??

Who gives you all these stars. You have zero credibility.

originally posted by: GargIndia
a reply to: Xcathdra

Where are German soldiers???

When did you start this thread. Are Germans walking all the way to Ukraine??

Who gives you all these stars. You have zero credibility.

France and Germany are considering sending troops to operate and defend drones to monitor the cease fire. It's on RT, so it must be true. You are not one to talk about credibility.

originally posted by: GargIndia
a reply to: Xcathdra

Where are German soldiers???

When did you start this thread. Are Germans walking all the way to Ukraine??

Who gives you all these stars. You have zero credibility.

Your post is an example of what happens when you dont bother to read the article.

What part of "considering" confused you?

Its an OSCE initiative supported by Russia.

You maintained earlier that is is not under OSCE. Now you say it is under OSCE.

OSCE are NOT combat troops.

Read my posts.

You are DJW001 are paid propagandists.

Your only job is to mislead people.

This whole discussion is utterly useless and meaningless.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Hmm.... I Hope they Wear Warm Clothing THIS Time.....................

a reply to: GargIndia

You maintained earlier that is is not under OSCE. Now you say it is under OSCE.

Are you sure you understand English as well as you claim?

OSCE are NOT combat troops.

No, but France and Germany are considering sending in troops to assist and defend the OSCE moniutors. If you read any of the articles that have been linked to here, you would know that.

Read my posts.

Your posts tend to be pure fantasy. Try reading the posts others link to.

You are DJW001 are paid propagandists.

Accusing people who disagree with you of being paid propagandists or "disinfo agents" is a sure sign that you are unable to defend your position on its own merits.

Your only job is to mislead people.

Denying ignorance is not a job, it's a pleasure.

This whole discussion is utterly useless and meaningless.

Your contribution certainly has been. All you have done is deny facts that have been properly sourced.

Look: you can argue that sending troops in to defend observers in Eastern Ukraine is a provocation, or illegal, or immoral, or a bad idea... but what is the point of denying what the French and German governments have actually said?

a reply to: GargIndia

Actually no where in this thread did I maintain it was not under OSCE. The op states its an OSCE mission request and I stated should the plan be authorized.

The OSCE has no combat troops, or troops of any kind.

As for reading posts that is something you need to practice before preaching. Its very evident you failed to read the posts and in failing to do that, you are once again making false claims you cant support.

Here I will make it easy for you. Here is a link to all of my posts in this thread. Feel free to specifically point to the one where I made the comments you claimed. An apology is expected as I never claimed what you are accusing me of.

* - The OP
* - My response to TruBrit
* - My 2nd response to TruBrit
* - My response to you
* - My 2nd response to you
* - My 3rd response to you
* - My response to bjarneorn
* - My 4th response to you

Accusing DJW001 and I of being propagandist is the only reaction you and some others have when you cant refute the facts. My job is not to mislead, its to counter the lies coming from members regarding this topic.

If you could refute the facts you would have done so. the fact you failed to and instead relied on personal attacks tells me you have no way to refute the facts.

Stop only seeing what you want.
Stop accusing me of being a propagandist.
Stop the personal attacks.
Stop the Lies.

REFUTE the FACTS

It is good that you are the only two participating in this discussion now.

This shows people have understood who you are.

What is the title of your thread. READ THE TITLE of YOUR OWN THREAD.

I do not have to say anything else.

The title itself is grossly misleading.

Both of you have plenty of time making up stuff and writing useless long posts.

No person who has a real life has time like you.

I post my opinion with my logic. It is up to readers if they like what I say.

a reply to: GargIndia

You talk about an OSCE plan which ostensibly Russia agreed to. Can you link detail of that plan??

Where exactly did I do that, because all I said was Russia lied...reading skills need a bit of a boost there I see.

a reply to: GargIndia

You have zero credibility.

Oh my even Putin had to give you a face palm for that.

a reply to: GargIndia

Both of you have plenty of time making up stuff and writing useless long posts.

Having a hard time comprehending something over one sentence long?

No person who has a real life has time like you.

Just because you can't comprehend enough words to post a decent reply isn't anyone elses fault but your own.

I post my opinion with my logic.

No you post your opinion as if it's the truth...there is a difference.

It is up to readers if they like what I say.

And when they don't you personally attack them...great debating/discussion skill you use.

originally posted by: GargIndia
It is good that you are the only two participating in this discussion now.

This shows people have understood who you are.

What is the title of your thread. READ THE TITLE of YOUR OWN THREAD.

I do not have to say anything else.

The title itself is grossly misleading.

I have read your post several times now and I dont see anything on topic. Maybe I missed it so can you point out what in your post deals with the topic?

Secondly if you read and understood the T and C for the site we are required to use the title of the article. If you think it is misleading then take it up with the media outlet responsible for the article.

3rd its not misleading because Germany is in fact discussing sending the drones to Ukraine to monitor the border. Putin is not happy about that and is demanding Russia be allowed to use their drones. Since russia is directly involved in the mess in Ukraine I dont see who Russian drone use would be beneficial except to Russian and Pro Russian rebels.

4th you accused me of something I did not do. I linked you to my posts and asked you to point out where I supposedly stated what you claimed. You failed to do this as well. I expect an apology sir, both personally and to members posting in this thread that you derailed with your false accusations.

You dont have to say anything else?

If only it were that easy.. you should consider your comment when you are deciding to join a thread, not after you get called out and can support your claims.

So tell me - do you have anything on topic or do we get more obfuscation and personal attacks from you?