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originally posted by: Agit8dChop
a reply to: Xcathdra
Probably not a great idea, Ukrainians, Russians having German soldiers around not far from Stalingrad.. what could go wrong? Atleast the Germans have detailed maps and know the vantage points, so that's a positive.
Just a tad under 1,000 klicks between Kiev and Volgograd, as Stalingrad is now called, that is as the crow fly's. (stupid saying!)
originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: GargIndia
I doubt that Putin is "emboldened" due to anything Obama did or did not do.
Do you really think Putin would have made his play for Crimea if Obama had followed through with his "red line" talk about Syria?
The news item talks about OSCE which is not a military force.
Correct, but they are citizens of NATO countries. If they get killed, their countries can justify retaliating, and if NATO members and Russia engage, the rest of the alliance swings into action.
Sure they can observe. I doubt it changes much on the ground.
The point to the exercise is to change things in Putin's head.
It comes as no surprise, therefore, that Ukrainian Foreign Minister Pavlo Klimkin enthusiastically welcomed the German offer to deploy drones.
The one whom started was America's gov. Everyone knows it.
Namely, this was finally a choice that was being made by Ukraine to join Europe. And that means joining the world and kind of being like everybody else in the democratic and capitalist world. When Yanukovych went back on his own promises, that just led people to go out onto the streets. And, you will recall, there were mass demonstrations and many were 500,000 and more people in downtown Kiev. And they were simply insisting at the beginning that Ukraine just sign the agreement.
On Nov. 21, the Ukrainian government decided to cancel plans to seek an association agreement with the European Union, which would have led to Ukraine’s economic integration into the continental bloc but stopped short of membership. The decision sparked mass protests reminiscent of the Orange Revolution nine years ago against alleged electoral fraud in the country’s 2004 presidential election. The E.U. was ready to sign a trade and cooperation agreement at a summit in Vilnius, Lithuania, for the Eastern Partnership, which governs the relationship between the E.U. and six former Soviet republics, including Ukraine. In response to the decision, 100,000 Ukrainians who support further European integration have set up tents in the center of Kiev, Ukraine’s capital, and plan to demonstrate until President Viktor Yanukovych signs the agreement.