a reply to: BasementWarriorKryptonite
Well this would be true about any religion, I mentioned in another thread you were in one of my best friends is Iranian and i'm a Jew and how
culturally there was in daily life and personality virtually no difference between him and Israelis I know.
Realistically we are very similar creatures, 2 individuals who have a back ground in faith but for all intents and purposes left the fold retaining
only a few basic principals which in theory are the same for all the monos.... this leaves us, 2 people with a heritage or family from the same
geographic and ethnic/genetic region of the world. The Same, Strip away the hard Dogma you find that Jews, Islamics and Christian at a core are all
very similar and DO absolutely on a daily basis behave as fairly like-able decent people.
I've lived in or next to an Islamic neighborhood as a Jew, Currently in day to day life I live in a Mormon/Christian environment.... face to face in
both scenarios Both groups are A: Polite B: Caring for their neighbors C: reasonably tolerant for the fact that my personal beliefs, largely non
religious in any way are different... The Yahoo extremists in both groups are at best 1 in 10
But then there is THIS:
The law, the rules.... certainly none of my Mormon neighbors would never bother me, certainly some love me, but when they vote they put into practice
their ideas (some good some bad) and that YOU ARE subjected to, So... Not far north of me no drinking, no night clubs, no fashion industry, honestly
not much art, not a location that is technologically proficient and i'm in Northern AZ and computers are... not a business here, that brings you even
deeper into things like "where are you in regards to the global economy" "what about basic rights for women" and things that DO affect others
ranging from making life more difficult to assuring your society and yourself and children don't live and get the benefits of the modern world...
So what i'm saying is... The conflict between the West and Islam has absolutely nothing to do with "every Islamic person is a terrorist" or if Jews
Christians and Islamics are good or bad people, all three groups are mainly nice people, in fact i'd offer that no society could exist if "most of
the people weren't decent" The Germans in WW2 were virtually all "Nice people"
What your really dealing with is the "beliefs of the people and affect on the body politic" these are in the end like all conflicts political and
law making issues, we aren't at war with Islam because the people are bad, we are at war with Islam because the body politic by belief would take
society as a whole in a negative direction as perceived by our culture and vice versa....
One world view the West revolves around Global Govt via laws made by men, Science, Freedom of expression, social liberties are relied upon for the
extra effort to motivate people including sexual freedoms and control over ones body, it requires extra effort and school etc, so money and the
material is important, mandates separation of church and state and is highly technological and education based
The Other, sort of revolves around the after and without doing another paragraph requires strict control of behaviors and many things and doesn't
come with Stem Cells and free sexuality and all that
And these 2 societies competing on a Global scale can not in anyway truly coexist, your learning the Koran or the Torah or what have you by faith
after school or your being tutored in Math and Physics or playing on a computer, your Islamic, the Internet will bring you porn and other media, you
want a modern work force, women have to work.... etc, etc et al...
So to me, any debate and demon calling on either side is pointless, the conflict doesn't arise because the bulk of the people in any culture are
rotten people, I don't need proof that most Islamic people are "nice" I know they are... The fight is over if the world as we globalize will be run
by Sharia or the Free will of man, If we extend our life span through science or die younger by "the will of Allah" If the Material and Science will
matter and we try to leave the planet or if we delve the spiritual and suffer on Earth because we are here only as a prequel to a "better life"
Personally, I don't believe that I am a prequel, I do believe in all seriousness that we have a 4th dimensional form a spirit or soul for lack of a
better word, I believe physics proves that to me, but for all we know when we die we are the the 4th dimensional equivalent of a baby sea turtle
running to the sea with all sorts of higher dimensional predators racing for us... After all, why does "god" want my soul, I watch critters fly into
the light everyday and that light is my bug zapper...
Being, imaginative there, but I honestly figure whatever higher dimensional form we have, it may dissipate, simply be energy without form, whatever...
I rather have faith in what is real to better understand then follow the kind of rules which regard this concept as "72 virgins waiting for me" so
life should be very difficult and punishing to assure I get somewhere which by the definition of believers can;t possibly be real in that way....
Very simply, we are fighting in regards to, if Science or Spirituality will rule us as a Globe, not if Islamist's and Americans are the Terrorists