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originally posted by: RickinVa
Of course Jesus never existed. God doesn't exist, therefore Jesus can't exist.
originally posted by: Spider879
'Jesus NEVER existed': Writer finds no mention of Christ in 126 historical texts and says he was a 'mythical character'
Writer Michael Paulkovich has claimed that there is little evidence for a person known as Jesus existing in history
Jesus is thought to have lived from about 7BC to 33AD in the Roman Empire
However Paulkovich says he found little to no mention of the supposed messiah in 126 texts written in the first to third centuries
Only one mention of Jesus was present, in a book by Roman historian Josephus Flavius, but he says this was added by later editors
He says this is surprising despite the ‘alleged worldwide fame’ of Jesus
And this has led him to believe that Jesus was a 'mythical character'
This is ignorance at its greatest. But lets address the quote from Josephus. It was not inserted, but slightly modified, as shown from the Arabic version of Josephus. From Regarding the quote of Josephus on Jesus:
there is no proof that such insertions into the text were ever made. They may be authentic. The "Testimonium" is found in every copy of Josephus in existence. Second, Josephus mentions many other biblically-relevant occurrences that are not in dispute (see outline below). This adds validity to the claim that Josephus knew about Jesus and wrote about Him since he also wrote about other New Testament things. Nevertheless, though there may be some Christian insertions into the text, we can still reconstruct what may have been the original writing.
Two researchers (Edwin Yamauchi and John P. Meier)1 have constructed a copy of the "Testimonium" with the probable insertions in brackets and underlined. The following paragraph is Yamauchi's:
“About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man [if indeed one ought to call him a man.] For he was one who wrought surprising feats and was a teacher of such people as accept the truth gladly. He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks. [He was the Christ.] When Pilate, upon hearing him accused by men of the highest standing amongst us, had condemned him to be crucified, those who had in the first place come to love him did not give up their affection for him. [On the third day he appeared to them restored to life, for the prophets of God had prophesied these and countless other marvelous things about him.] And the tribe of the Christians, so called after him, has still to this day not disappeared.”
Though this may be a correct assessment of the "Testimonium," we should note that an Arabic version (10th Century) of the "Testimonium" (translated into English) is in basic agreement with the existing Josephus account:
"At this time there was a wise man who was called Jesus. And his conduct was good, and he was known to be virtuous. And many people from among the Jews and the other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. And those who had become his disciples did not abandon his discipleship. They reported that he had appeared to them after his crucifixion and that he was alive; accordingly, he was perhaps the Messiah concerning whom the prophets have recounted wonders."2
The Arabic version was copied from a Greek version.
originally posted by: Fylgje
If Jesus was a created story, then maybe Horus was real? After all, he was long before Jesus. Had deciples, virgin birth, performed miracles, so on and so forth.
The evidence telling the many stories of Jesus is more accurate historically, then this scholar's contrived garbage.
originally posted by: schadenfreude
May I suggest to you God haters to readfoxe's book of martyrs ? Then ask yourself why ppl for over two HUNDRED and fifty YEARS would lay their life down for somebody that "never existed". Nine different crusades, spanning from Nero all the way to just before Constantine.
Deny ignorance? Puh-lease.
originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
This is just pure BS. It has been going on for ages. Christ was not a mythical character. The evidence telling the many stories of Jesus is more accurate historically, then this scholar's contrived garbage.
If you are biased against Jesus existing, then only choose that which supports your claim, or simply create it. Just like people do here quite often.
Forget everything you may have learned in Sunday School. The New Testament was written by Roman patricians, among them The Calpurnius Piso family that was descended from one of the generals in the army of Alexander the Great. The family included such famous people as Cleopatra, the Ptolemys, Pythagoras, Flavius Josephus, and the Roman Emperor Titus Flavius Vespasiani.
Loaves and Fishes
When Roman soldiers laid siege to a city they used a technique they called "loaves and fishes." They would bake bread with fecal matter mixed into it and amputate the penises of captured citizens of the city and throw the "loaves and fishes" over the besieged city's walls. It is well known that Roman slang for the word 'penis' was 'fish'. It is no coincidence that Jesus performs the "miracle" of the loaves and fishes. It is a cruel Roman joke.
Water Into Wine
When a Roman needed to attend to nature he or she would say something like "Time to turn water into wine." This was a joke, of course, for the act of urination was something like transforming water magically into a kind of 'wine' - urine. Knowing this, can you ever again think that Jesus turning water into wine at the wedding at Capernaum was a "miracle?" It was written into the New Testament by the Romans so that everyone in Rome, except the slaves of course, would get a belly laugh.
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Why Jesus has 12 disciples.
Julius Caesar had been named Pontifex Maximus in 73 BCE. In the ancient Roman state religion (before Christianity) the Pontifex Maximus was the leader of the twelve Pontiffs, who were the chief priests of their day. That's why Jesus has twelve disciples. Jesus Christ displaces Julius Caesar as Pontifex Maximus, and in this way writes Caesar out of history. Check out the career of Julius Caesar for information about his activities in Asia Minor, and especially in Pontus.
originally posted by: Tedgoat
Saw a lot of info about Jesus not existing and to be honest it all makes sense. Jesus and God being the Sun I have no problem with.
I watched some videos with Santos Boracci. He's a clever guy and all the Roman books he has read in which he quotes they all say Jesus never existed and he was just made up fictional character to help with the controlling mechanism of Christianity!
But what' the point of saying it? Christians are so deluded by their indoctrinated religion that they will never accept anyone saying their saviour has never existed. It's like saying to a kid that Santa Claus is not real. You'll never get anywhere! All you'll get is crying, screaming and tantrums!
I'm an ex Christian by the way! I know what it was like when I was shoved into Church ever SUNday by my parents.