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posted on Oct, 5 2014 @ 10:23 AM
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'Jesus NEVER existed': Writer finds no mention of Christ in 126 historical texts and says he was a 'mythical character'


Writer Michael Paulkovich has claimed that there is little evidence for a person known as Jesus existing in history
Jesus is thought to have lived from about 7BC to 33AD in the Roman Empire
However Paulkovich says he found little to no mention of the supposed messiah in 126 texts written in the first to third centuries
Only one mention of Jesus was present, in a book by Roman historian Josephus Flavius, but he says this was added by later editors
He says this is surprising despite the ‘alleged worldwide fame’ of Jesus
And this has led him to believe that Jesus was a 'mythical character'

The 126 texts he studied were all written in the period during or soon after the supposed existence of Jesus, when Paulkovich says they would surely have heard of someone as famous as Jesus - but none mention him.
'When I consider those 126 writers, all of whom should have heard of Jesus but did not - and Paul and Marcion and Athenagoras and Matthew with a tetralogy of opposing Christs, the silence from Qumram and Nazareth and Bethlehem, conflicting Bible stories, and so many other mysteries and omissions - I must conclude that Christ is a mythical character,’ he writes.
‘"Jesus of Nazareth" was nothing more than urban (or desert) legend, likely an agglomeration of several evangelic and deluded rabbis who might have existed.’
www.dailymail.co.uk... cal-character.html


Now this is not the first time I have heard such argument however I don't quite remember seeing such in a news publication,and while I am too cowardly edging my bets being a fence sitter agnostic I have to wonder why now what changed that a news organization would put that out there.
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posted on Oct, 5 2014 @ 10:27 AM
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This is something that has been on going for quite a while, in my research on ancient text books during the time of Jesus it shows nowhere about such a person of divine birth performing miracles, also the only text that has been used by the church to prove of his existence was tampered with to make it so.

Now, when it comes to the predictions of a messiah, you can find references in almost any ancient book by many civilizations and their religious believe that claim that the a messiah was born to them.

No specific of one particular religion like Christianity, this makes it look like Christianity hijacked the "messiah" for their benefit.



posted on Oct, 5 2014 @ 10:31 AM
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a reply to: Spider879

Does this mean that for all these years we've been looking at just another dead guy on a cross then?

Someone call the Pope, please I think another appology needs to be made!



posted on Oct, 5 2014 @ 10:36 AM
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Jesus wept (not?)


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posted on Oct, 5 2014 @ 10:37 AM
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Saw a lot of info about Jesus not existing and to be honest it all makes sense. Jesus and God being the Sun I have no problem with.

I watched some videos with Santos Boracci. He's a clever guy and all the Roman books he has read in which he quotes they all say Jesus never existed and he was just made up fictional character to help with the controlling mechanism of Christianity!

But what' the point of saying it? Christians are so deluded by their indoctrinated religion that they will never accept anyone saying their saviour has never existed. It's like saying to a kid that Santa Claus is not real. You'll never get anywhere! All you'll get is crying, screaming and tantrums!

I'm an ex Christian by the way! I know what it was like when I was shoved into Church ever SUNday by my parents.



posted on Oct, 5 2014 @ 10:40 AM
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Well no really, Jesus served his purpose, it gave the populations in ancient times a reason to live by, a teacher when most people that followed the Christianity were the very poor and needy.

Then it moved to the more affluent because it was also a way to make money from governments.

I respect religion, but I don't follow it, I like to research in its impact in history, also because it shows a nice window into the myth and lore mixed with historical fact into older civilizations.

In modern times like today religion is a way of profit making and an excuse for killing, depending wish ideology is behind it.


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posted on Oct, 5 2014 @ 10:44 AM
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a reply to: Spider879

Fortunately most scholars disagree with his findings...

He wasn't that famous in the first century as this guy claims... millions would not have heard of him...

It actually took a few centuries for the name to be spread across that side of the world...

We know for a fact James existed... We know Paul existed...

Paul met James who he called "the brother of the lord"

Jesus most definitely did exist.... but likely not as Christianity makes him out to be...



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posted on Oct, 5 2014 @ 10:45 AM
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Come to think of it, the only time I have seen his name mentioned is in the bible. No history books whatsoever. But then again, who benefits from the bible? The church, kings, queens, governments.

A control mechanism for them.

Peace


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posted on Oct, 5 2014 @ 10:45 AM
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Monotheist religions borrow heavily from Polytheist ones.

Horus to Jesus for example;

1. Identical Life Experiences

1. It is written that both Horus and Jesus existed before their incarnations.
2. Horus was born of the virgin Isis on December 25th in a cave/manger.
3. Horus' birth was announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men.
4. The infant Horus was carried out of Egypt to escape the wrath of Typhon. The infant Jesus was carried into Egypt to escape the wrath of Herod. Concerning the infant Jesus, the New Testament states the following prophecy: "Out of Egypt have I called my son." (Matthew 2:15)
5. He was a child teacher in the temple and was baptized by Anup the Baptizer when he was thirty years old.
6. He had twelve disciples and performed miracles such as feeding bread to the multitude and walking on water.
7. He raised one man, El-Azar-us, from the dead.
8. He transfigured on a mount.
9. He also had titles such as the "way, the truth, the light, the Messiah, God's anointed Son, the Son of Man, the good shepherd, the lamb of God, the Word, the Morning Star, the light of the world.
10. He was "the Fisher," and was associated with the lamb, lion and fish ("Ichthys").
11. Horus's personal epithet was "Iusa," the "ever-becoming son" of "Ptah," the "Father."
12. Horus was called "KRST," or "Anointed One.
13. He was crucified, buried in a tomb and resurrected.
Continued...


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posted on Oct, 5 2014 @ 10:51 AM
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Now, I am no biblical scholar, but it is my understanding that there is plenty of evidence that is accepted by historians that a man named Jesus did exist, and was crucified by the Romans.

Extra-biblical writers such as Tacitus and Jospehus validated some of the things written in the NT, and I believe the Egyptians even wrote about Jesus.

Now whether or not he was the son of god is irrellevant.
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posted on Oct, 5 2014 @ 10:52 AM
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This is a known thing by anyone who has actually looked deeply into the subject of the person-hood of Jesus actually existing and living and doing things he is purported to have done at the time and place. There is simply no extra biblical proof of the existence of 'Jesus' whatsoever. If you've delved deeply into the other religions of the period you'll see Christianity for the amalgamation it actually is.

The funny thing is that even looking within the bible itself with a critical eye will lead you to disbelieve the Pauline sections of the NT. The clear cleft between what the 'gospel' writers wrote (sans Luke and John) and the tone and message of what Saul of Tarsus, aka Paul taught and wrote is pretty hilarious really. In this middleground is where what we know to be christianity came about. Its an amalgamation of Hellenic mystery death cults and misunderstood platonic philosophy superimposed over the original Jewish perspective and Messianic Message.

The life and personage of 'Jesus' as we know it is a total fabrication, Was there a Jewish Magician who was chill and hung out with prostitutes and surrounded himself with the wretched? Possibly. But everything written in the bible especially the Pauline aspects of it are outright fabrications woven from ancient Mithraic , Hebrew, and Hellenic sources crafted into a revolutionary Vampiric Suffering Cult which was defacto anti state and anti tradition, generally disdaining the world and existence and life in favor of a fabricated otherworld which is perfect bliss, and the abscence of goodness, the bad place. The people in power NOW, the people of "THE WORLD" are the evil ones, those who slink in the shadows and the 'least of these' are the true inheritors of the kingdom of god....you can see how this sort of thing may catch on with wealthy upper class aristocratic women with lots of slaves they feel guilty about, and these slaves tell them of their Good Shepherd of suffering who offers forgiveness from sins with a little mock cannibalism thrown in.

But no, really this "Jesus" was completely real, he died for your sins, so sin away, he'll forgive you apparently , probably even if we ruin the whole world, if we regret it enough...



posted on Oct, 5 2014 @ 10:55 AM
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www.ucg.org...





A second mention of Jesus by Josephus is seldom disputed by scholars. It concerns the martyrdom of James, His half brother: "Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the sanhedrin of the judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others [or some of his companions;] and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned ..." ( Antiquities, 20:9:1). Another prominent figure from the Gospels mentioned by Josephus is John the Baptizer: "Herod, who feared lest the great influence John had over the people might put it into his power and inclination to raise a rebellion,...thought it best, by putting him to death, to prevent any mischief he might cause...Accordingly he was sent a prisoner, out of Herod's suspicious temper, to Macherus,...and was there put to death" ( Antiquities, 18:5:2). Although Josephus was never a Christian, in his works we find mention of many other figures from the Gospels and other New Testament books. These include the family of the Herods; the Judean procurators and members of the high priestly families. His books, like the writings of the Roman historians and officials, provide powerful independent corroboration of the historical accuracy of the Gospels and the existence of Jesus Christ.





Cornelius Tacitus (ca. 56-120) was a Roman senator, consul and governor of the Roman province of Anatolia (covering most of modern-day Turkey) as well as one of ancient Rome's greatest historians. Late in his life he wrote a 16-volume history of the Roman emperors, the Annals. No friend to either Nero or Christians, Tacitus writes that Nero blamed "a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace." He goes on to explain that "Christus [Christ], from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty [crucifixion] during the reign of Tiberius at the hand of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome ..." ( Annals, 15:44, quoted by Lee Strobel, The Case for Christ, 1998, p. 82). A contemporary of Tacitus, Caius Suetonius Tranquillus (ca. 69-140), overseer of Rome's libraries and court official to several emperors, writes that the emperor Claudius "banished the Jews from Rome, who were continually making disturbances, Chrestus [Christ] being their leader" ( Lives of the First Twelve Caesars: Life of Claudius, quoted by Grant Jeffrey, Jesus: The Great Debate, 1999, p. 163). This banishment of Jews from Rome is mentioned in Acts:18:2. Also, "Pliny the younger, the Roman legate of Bithynia-Pontus (what is now north-central Turkey) in the early second century, wrote to the emperor Trajan, requesting advice on how to deal with Christians who refused to reverence Caesar's image. Pliny noted that these Christians met regularly and sang hymns 'to Christ as if to a god' ( Letters 10:96.7). The phrase 'as if to a God' suggests that Pliny knew Jesus had been a person who had lived on earth but was reluctant to call him divine" (Craig Blomberg, The Historical Reliability of the Gospels, 1987, p. 196).




www.allaboutjesuschrist.org...



There are some independent, non-biblical books that mention the historical Jesus. Historian Edwin Yamauchi calls attention to the most important reference to Jesus outside the New Testament. This proof comes from Tacitus, a Roman, who wrote that the Christians were responsible for the fire that destroyed Rome in A.D. 64. He believed that Christ had died under extreme execution during the reign of Pontius Pilatus. Yet, he stated that Christ's death briefly checked "a most mischievous superstition," which arose, not only in Judea, but also in Rome. He is bearing indirect testimony to the conviction of the early church that Christ who had been crucified had risen from the grave. This would explain the bizarre occurrence of a rapidly growing religion based on the worship of a man who had been crucified as a criminal. How do you explain that? Another source of evidence about Jesus is found in the letters of Pliny the Younger to Emperor Trajan. Pliny was the Roman governor of Bithynia in Asia Minor. He asks Emperor Trajan about various ways to conduct legal proceedings against those accused of being Christians. He did some research regarding these Christians and this is what he came up with: They met on a certain fixed day before it was light and sang hymns to Christ, as to a god. Unlike other gods who were worshipped, Christ was a person who had lived on earth. They bound themselves by a solemn oath to not participate in any wicked deeds, and never to commit fraud, theft, adultery, falsify their word, or deny a trust. These early Christians believed he was a real person and they held his teachings in the highest esteem. They also bound themselves to a higher oath to not violate various moral standards which is the source of the ethical teachings of Jesus. The writings of Josephus points out in his reference called, "Testimonium Flavianum, that "About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he wrought surprising feats. He was the Christ. When Pilate condemned him to be crucified, those who had come to love him did not give up their affection for him. On the third day he appeared restored to life. And the tribe of Christians has not disappeared." Josephus was not a Christian. Therefore many believe that he could not have written anything such as the above statements. But, even so, we are left with details of a picture which tells us that the "biblical Jesus" and the "historical Jesus" are one and the same. There is also a collection of Jewish rabbinical writings that give a few clear references to Jesus called the Babylonian Talmud written approximately A.D. 70-500. The most significant reference from this period states, "On the eve of the Passover Yeshu was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald. . .cried, 'He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy.'" The name, Yeshu, is actually the name, Jesus, in Hebrew. However, upon reading the passage, we know for a fact that Jesus was not hanged, but that He was crucified, but the word, "hanged" serves as a synonym for "crucified." And what about the statement that Jesus was to be stoned? This could indicate that the Jewish leaders were planning to do just that, but the Roman Government intervened on those plans. Another source of writings comes from Lucian of Samosata who was a second century Greek satirist. In one of his writings, he notes as follows: "The Christians…worship a man to this day - the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account. . . . [It] was impressed on them by their original lawgiver that they are all brothers, from the moment that they are converted, and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his laws." We know the man Lucian is writing of, and that man is Jesus. What did Jesus do to arouse such wrath? He taught men are brothers from the moment of conversion which means denying Greek gods, worshipping Jesus, and living according to His teachings. As we can see, these writings corroborate our knowledge of Jesus from the gospels. - See more at: www.allaboutjesuschrist.org...


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posted on Oct, 5 2014 @ 10:55 AM
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originally posted by: Tedgoat
Saw a lot of info about Jesus not existing and to be honest it all makes sense. Jesus and God being the Sun I have no problem with.

I watched some videos with Santos Boracci. He's a clever guy and all the Roman books he has read in which he quotes they all say Jesus never existed and he was just made up fictional character to help with the controlling mechanism of Christianity!

But what' the point of saying it? Christians are so deluded by their indoctrinated religion that they will never accept anyone saying their saviour has never existed. It's like saying to a kid that Santa Claus is not real. You'll never get anywhere! All you'll get is crying, screaming and tantrums!

I'm an ex Christian by the way! I know what it was like when I was shoved into Church ever SUNday by my parents.


Like I said I am a fence sitter on all things religious I don't believe in any personal god who is taking notes on a piece of carbon walking around on a blue dot in a universe or multi-verse filled with other dots,but like a great word smith once said

, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know
en.wikipedia.org...

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posted on Oct, 5 2014 @ 10:56 AM
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Argumentum ad Ignorantiam: (appeal to ignorance) the fallacy that a proposition is true simply on the basis that it has not been proved false or that it is false simply because it has not been proved true. This error in reasoning is often expressed with influential rhetoric.



posted on Oct, 5 2014 @ 10:56 AM
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originally posted by: sheepslayer247
Now, I am no biblical scholar, but it is my understanding that there is plenty of evidence that is accepted by historians that a man named Jesus did exist, and was crucified by the Romans.

Extra-biblical writers such as Tacitus and Jospehus validated some of the things written in the NT, and I believe the Egyptians even wrote about Jesus.

Now whether or not he was the son of god or is irrellevant.


Tacitus was just writing about "Christians" the Josephus section is believed by most to be a fabrication carried out by early christian translators of the book, the copies we have are all within the christian era.

No contemporary egyptians wrote about Jesus, people only wrote ANYTHING about him a hundred or more years after he died because the religion was already spreading. Paul was the earliest christian writer and he wrote about a Jesus which bore very little resemblance to the one described in the gospels and in fact was more of a guilt ridden psychological hallucination fabricated by Paul as a way of dealing with his original persecution of the Christians.



posted on Oct, 5 2014 @ 10:57 AM
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I consider this pretty good evidence that Jesus is a myth.

Incidentally, Josephus is considered a liar and an embellisher.
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posted on Oct, 5 2014 @ 10:58 AM
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That's the evidence that the church has used for centuries to validate the existence of the human Jesus, but the books has been prof to be tampered with by the church.

I also believe that the divine Jesus has its roots on the human Jesus, now it could be truth, but the divinity of such a character was enhanced by the Church.


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posted on Oct, 5 2014 @ 11:01 AM
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Seriously , I've never understood the motive of science vs religion
If a book or person explains/shows how to be kind and understanding then why knock it?
See the forest, not the tree..
both science and religion have noble foundations
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posted on Oct, 5 2014 @ 11:03 AM
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originally posted by: Spider879
'Jesus NEVER existed': Writer finds no mention of Christ in 126 historical texts and says he was a 'mythical character'


Writer Michael Paulkovich has claimed that there is little evidence for a person known as Jesus existing in history
Jesus is thought to have lived from about 7BC to 33AD in the Roman Empire
However Paulkovich says he found little to no mention of the supposed messiah in 126 texts written in the first to third centuries
Only one mention of Jesus was present, in a book by Roman historian Josephus Flavius, but he says this was added by later editors
He says this is surprising despite the ‘alleged worldwide fame’ of Jesus
And this has led him to believe that Jesus was a 'mythical character'

The 126 texts he studied were all written in the period during or soon after the supposed existence of Jesus, when Paulkovich says they would surely have heard of someone as famous as Jesus - but none mention him.
'When I consider those 126 writers, all of whom should have heard of Jesus but did not - and Paul and Marcion and Athenagoras and Matthew with a tetralogy of opposing Christs, the silence from Qumram and Nazareth and Bethlehem, conflicting Bible stories, and so many other mysteries and omissions - I must conclude that Christ is a mythical character,’ he writes.
‘"Jesus of Nazareth" was nothing more than urban (or desert) legend, likely an agglomeration of several evangelic and deluded rabbis who might have existed.’
www.dailymail.co.uk... cal-character.html


Now this is not the first time I have heard such argument however I don’t quite remember seeing such in a news publication,and while I am too cowardly edging my bets being a fence sitter agnostic I have to wonder why now what changed that a news organization would put that out there.


We would have to see those writings to see WHY they would mention Jesus. What did they write about? Was it about engineering, the stars\astronomy, horticulture, government?


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posted on Oct, 5 2014 @ 11:03 AM
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All it would really prove is that he was not as famous as the Christian bible claims. There are countless people that weren't mentioned in those 126 documents but they still existed. No amount of exclusion can disprove a person's existence yet only one instance of inclusion is needed to provide evidence for it.

Again, the only thing this really casts doubts on is his immediate impact on the people at the time.




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