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posted on Oct, 4 2014 @ 01:10 PM
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Hello there,

You can call me V!
I am looking for the real deal and since Magic is really sort of like Metaphysics, because magic is both Magic and Science. I hope that I am posting it in the correct section.

I had an odd mark on my right hand and made a thread in which many pointed out that it was Chaos Magic.

I know ATS is filled with individuals from all walks of life and a few very interesting individuals as well.

Thus, I am looking for someone who dwells in the region of Chaos Magic not parlor tricks or cheap $2 crap. I mean the real deal and by the real deal you know what I mean.

I know this probably sounds like a crazy Craig's List advertisement


I tried searching the net but there was not much useful stuff, thus I am here. Hopefully someone will shed some light on the topic and what is to be done.
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posted on Oct, 4 2014 @ 01:51 PM
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a reply to: VitaArcanum

Have no clue about the mark but you seem to leave Synchronicity "mirror" with the timing of your post. 01:10 PM.


That is just funny from my point of view.

Namaste

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posted on Oct, 4 2014 @ 02:07 PM
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a reply to: VitaArcanum

I can do a few tricks with a square 64 tiled black and white chess board



posted on Oct, 4 2014 @ 02:07 PM
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a reply to: VitaArcanum

I can do a few tricks with a square 64 tiled black and white chess board



posted on Oct, 4 2014 @ 02:07 PM
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a reply to: VitaArcanum

I can do a few tricks with a square 64 tiled black and white chess board



posted on Oct, 4 2014 @ 02:07 PM
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a reply to: VitaArcanum

I can do a few tricks with a square 64 tiled black and white chess board



posted on Oct, 4 2014 @ 02:22 PM
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a reply to: VitaArcanum

Civilized man attacks the problems of a real environment through his science; savage man attempted to solve the real problems of an illusory ghost environment by magic. Magic was the technique of manipulating the conjectured spirit environment whose machinations endlessly explained the inexplicable; it was the art of obtaining voluntary spirit co-operation and of coercing involuntary spirit aid through the use of fetishes or other and more powerful spirits.

The object of magic, sorcery, and necromancy was twofold:

1. To secure insight into the future.

2. Favorably to influence environment.

The objects of science are identical with those of magic. Mankind is progressing from magic to science, not by meditation and reason, but rather through long experience, gradually and painfully. Man is gradually backing into the truth, beginning in error, progressing in error, and finally attaining the threshold of truth. Only with the arrival of the scientific method has he faced forward. But primitive man had to experiment or perish.

The fascination of early superstition was the mother of the later scientific curiosity. There was progressive dynamic emotion — fear plus curiosity — in these primitive superstitions; there was progressive driving power in the olden magic. These superstitions represented the emergence of the human desire to know and to control planetary environment.

Magic gained such a strong hold upon the savage because he could not grasp the concept of natural death. The later idea of original sin helped much to weaken the grip of magic on the race in that it accounted for natural death. It was at one time not at all uncommon for ten innocent persons to be put to death because of supposed responsibility for one natural death. This is one reason why ancient peoples did not increase faster, and it is still true of some African tribes. The accused individual usually confessed guilt, even when facing death.

Magic is natural to a savage. He believes that an enemy can actually be killed by practicing sorcery on his shingled hair or fingernail trimmings. The fatality of snake bites was attributed to the magic of the sorcerer. The difficulty in combating magic arises from the fact that fear can kill. Primitive peoples so feared magic that it did actually kill, and such results were sufficient to substantiate this erroneous belief. In case of failure there was always some plausible explanation; the cure for defective magic was more magic.



posted on Oct, 4 2014 @ 02:26 PM
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a reply to: VitaArcanum
Magic was practiced through the use of wands, “medicine” ritual, and incantations, and it was customary for the practitioner to work unclothed. Women outnumbered the men among primitive magicians. In magic, “medicine” means mystery, not treatment. The savage never doctored himself; he never used medicines except on the advice of the specialists in magic. And the voodoo doctors of the twentieth century are typical of the magicians of old.

There was both a public and a private phase to magic. That performed by the medicine man, shaman, or priest was supposed to be for the good of the whole tribe. Witches, sorcerers, and wizards dispensed private magic, personal and selfish magic which was employed as a coercive method of bringing evil on one’s enemies. The concept of dual spiritism, good and bad spirits, gave rise to the later beliefs in white and black magic. And as religion evolved, magic was the term applied to spirit operations outside one’s own cult, and it also referred to older ghost beliefs.

Word combinations, the ritual of chants and incantations, were highly magical. Some early incantations finally evolved into prayers. Presently, imitative magic was practiced; prayers were acted out; magical dances were nothing but dramatic prayers. Prayer gradually displaced magic as the associate of sacrifice.

Gesture, being older than speech, was the more holy and magical, and mimicry was believed to have strong magical power. The American Indian often staged a buffalo dance in which one of their number would play the part of a buffalo and, in being caught, would insure the success of the impending hunt. The sex festivities of May Day were simply imitative magic, a suggestive appeal to the sex passions of the plant world. The doll was first employed as a magic talisman by the barren wife.

Magic was the branch off the evolutionary religious tree which eventually bore the fruit of a scientific age. Belief in astrology led to the development of astronomy; belief in a philosopher’s stone led to the mastery of metals, while belief in magic numbers founded the science of mathematics.

But a world so filled with charms did much to destroy all personal ambition and initiative. The fruits of extra labor or of diligence were looked upon as magical. If a man had more grain in his field than his neighbor, he might be haled before the chief and charged with enticing this extra grain from the indolent neighbor’s field. Indeed, in the days of barbarism it was dangerous to know very much; there was always the chance of being executed as a black artist.

Gradually science is removing the gambling element from life. But if modern methods of education should fail, there would be an almost immediate reversion to the primitive beliefs in magic. These superstitions still linger in the minds of many so-called civilized people. Language contains many fossils which testify that the race has long been steeped in magical superstition, such words as spellbound, ill-starred, possessions, inspiration, spirit away, ingenuity, entrancing, thunderstruck, and astonished. And intelligent human beings still believe in good luck, the evil eye, and astrology.*

Ancient magic was the cocoon of modern science, indispensable in its time but now no longer useful. And so the phantasms of ignorant superstition agitated the primitive minds of men until the concepts of science could be born. Today, we are in the twilight zone of this intellectual evolution. One half the world is grasping eagerly for the light of truth and the facts of scientific discovery, while the other half languishes in the arms of ancient superstition and but thinly disguised magic.


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posted on Oct, 4 2014 @ 02:49 PM
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a reply to: VitaArcanum

"Chaos Magick" was invented by Peter Carrol, a guy named "Frater U.D." and their girlfriend in the 1980's.

So, you are looking for "the real deal", as you call it, within a system of practices that are around 30 years old.

This doesn't make sense to me.




posted on Oct, 4 2014 @ 03:06 PM
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a reply to: Bybyots

Personally, I think fractal chaos is the entire foundation of this physical cosmos that we love so much. Bite the fruit, disintegrate, ride the wave. To the bafflement of the king, we are now free.



posted on Oct, 4 2014 @ 04:18 PM
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See link below. Not sure what Chaos Magic is, nor do I care, but you did ask for 'real'.
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posted on Oct, 4 2014 @ 07:21 PM
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a reply to: UB2120

Maybe you should actually look into what Chaos Magick is..

en.wikipedia.org...

Even if you don't practice (and I actually think that most people are only interested in theoretical level), the systems can work as a "reality map", gnosis or a form of auto suggestion. It's hard to explain. Same thing with other magical writings; they create an altered state of mind.

Like when, let's say, Blavatsky wrote about giants, Lemuria etc. I doubt that she actually believed all that stuff. They're myths and meant to "tune" the person into a certain state of mind so that receiving other certain information is possible.



posted on Oct, 4 2014 @ 09:10 PM
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originally posted by: LittleByLittle
a reply to: VitaArcanum

Have no clue about the mark but you seem to leave Synchronicity "mirror" with the timing of your post. 01:10 PM.


That is just funny from my point of view.

Namaste


Yeh! I been having these Synchronicity "mirror" with the timing lately!



posted on Oct, 4 2014 @ 09:31 PM
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a reply to: VitaArcanum

If you want to experience the real deal play with dragon magic or demon magic.

That'll adequitly scare the # out of you and turn you back to your normal path.



posted on Oct, 4 2014 @ 09:47 PM
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originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: VitaArcanum

If you want to experience the real deal play with dragon magic or demon magic.

That'll adequitly scare the # out of you and turn you back to your normal path.


Interesting... where would I be able to find some actual books of old to do that? I heard Solomon's Book was sold to an unknown buyer couple years back. I would love to get my hands on that book!

Now the question is since your name is OneQuestion
What would it mean if Dragon Magic or Demon Magic won't adequately scare the # out of me?

I know for a fact that many get killed in a strange way after doing such things because of fear... It seems there is an unwritten rule that they kill you off if you are afraid when they show up.

Is this a real rule?



posted on Oct, 4 2014 @ 10:04 PM
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a reply to: VitaArcanum

Absolutely real.

Start with entering the mouth of the dragon.

www.oocities.org...

Probably want to participate while somEONE else co ducts the ritual

It can be a demon or a dragon it really depends on what you believe. If you don't see it manifest something went wrong.
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You might want to do dream work or trance work or a lot of guided journals first to really get into that trance state.
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You want to get into a journey where you actually let go and see how your subconscious responds to the guide.

Like if the guide tells you to go up and your dream figure decides it wants to go sideways, you need to figure out what that means because it's important.

I won't get to deep I to that though
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posted on Oct, 4 2014 @ 10:12 PM
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To actually connect with "the real deal" you'd have to partner with a passed human being with deep knowledge concerning event trajectory manipulation, since this is the only means of affecting the Material Realm in a "magic" sense of what that means. The reason for the need to partner is that - as a material human being - you're incapable of initiating an event trajectory change within this Material Realm. This is due to the fact that by the time you're aware of the instant (quantum) of Now, it's anywhere from .5 sec - a full 7 sec in the rear view mirror, and long past your capacity to affect the progression of anything at all.

This is the science behind why magic isn't possible for a living person. Magic tricks are one thing, but real magic isn't possible. Real magic can only be possible if the in-progress trajectory of a slice of on-going reality can be intentionally manipulated in real time. Non-corporeal (passed) human beings can do this, since they don't require material brains to process and then initiate purposeful action responses. They can affect the instant of Now in real time, as a result. I guess you can see it as a higher vibration if you want, but it's not about anything vibrating. It's about not being slowed down by electro-chemical processes, in the same way that we "living" folks are.

If you can partner with a real pro event trajectory jockey, you might have something there. That said, there are a lot of jerks on that side of the veil, and most of them are on the lookout for corporeals who would give anything at all to just be some version of special. You'd be well served to keep that in mind if you're thinking of going all the way with this search of yours. Let's just say that it will end with your trying to connect with someone or other from the Eternal Realm, and pretty much the only ones who are primarily focused on the old neighborhood (here) are the same types who circle the high school picking up bored strays long after they should've moved on with their lives. Maybe it'll work out for you, but the percentages aren't in your favor.



posted on Oct, 4 2014 @ 10:21 PM
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a reply to: NorEaster

Nor'easter I always enjoy reading your post.

What if he has a natural affinity form esoteric ritual, or manifest/will?



posted on Oct, 4 2014 @ 10:24 PM
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a reply to: VitaArcanum

Oh man when I saw that I was like me too ever since my wife cheated and took all my money and has me trapped in some crappy country song. But alas if you ever find the real deal let me know.



posted on Oct, 4 2014 @ 10:26 PM
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a reply to: TechniXcality

Read more asters post. What he's saying is you made need someone to teach you or lift r veil for you.




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