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Native Americans knew something that is blind to society.

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posted on Oct, 4 2014 @ 11:58 PM
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The Natives routinely enslaved, and kept women and children for themselves.

Not to mention the tortures.....




posted on Oct, 5 2014 @ 12:23 AM
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Puscifer: The Humbling River

I'm on my mobile so I don't have time to hyper link. Please look this up on YouTube.



posted on Oct, 5 2014 @ 12:36 AM
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a reply to: solemind4

There is alot of good and bad in everyone, but be weary of the savage. youtu.be... interesting video.



posted on Oct, 5 2014 @ 12:57 AM
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To quote Albert Einstein: nationalism is a disease. It was obvious then, it's obvious now. And he didn't just say it, he meant it, by betraying his old country. Basically, he believed in doing what is right, instead of blind nationalism, and that should serve as an inspiration to us all.



posted on Oct, 5 2014 @ 01:29 AM
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a reply to: boncho
Yes, there were many, many wars after the invasion of the Americas by Europeans. Nobody that I know will dispute that. All your examples are in the post-contact period. In that time, the bones of the inhabitants of many, many villages and towns in the southeastern US show no signs of warfare. The record of your life is written in your bones. If you die from injuries due to being beaten to death, your remains will show it. Injuries that don't cause death will be revealed as well.
What I am saying is that prior to contact with Europeans, these kinds of injuries are few and far between. There are instances of human sacrifice in large populations areas but those are rare to areas outside of Cahokia or Moundville. Numerous comparison studies have shown that the general population in the Americas show far less signs of violence that the same populations living in small villages in Europe. I don't have those studies nearby at present but I remember hearing and reading several papers on this subject in the early '90s. Some University of Florida students did one of the studies, the same group that did the 6 year project tracing the Spanish invasions of the southeastern US.
Further, the villages to which I refer, the ones I've studied at length, spanned numerous generations, not just one. One cemetery in particular that I worked on was in use for well over a century and contained over a thousand people. Another has been used for over two centuries and had over 5000 burials. The signs of violence in that particular place showed up with metal objects and liquor jugs. None of my colleagues who were studying this village made that connection until we invited some native folks in to offer their thoughts. They point out that the level of violence escalated when hard liquor was introduced to the culture.
I'm absolutely sure there were disagreements and skirmishes, if you will in those native cultures but the facts show that there was far less violence in the towns and villages prior to contact with Europeans.
Also, for a great number of the early reports of scalping----later studies with modern equipment have shown that the de-fleshing of bodies was a common practice among the southeastern US groups. Cut marks on bones don't always mean murder and cannibalism.
There is ample evidence of slavery in all the groups I've studied. Slavery seems to have been as universal as religious belief. Some of the DNA studies of the burials excavated during the Works Progress Administration digs are pretty conclusive that certain segments of the population were imported from other regions and lived at the bottom of the social ladder. The bones showed that they did far more physical labor and had poorer nutrition than the citizens of the village. Their bones were often found in trash dumps rather than in formal cemeteries.
There is ample evidence that there was social stratification within the cultures of the southeastern US prior to contact with European cultures but I've never seen any evidence that the class system was the source of violence in the society.
I must say that I have to agree with my friends and relatives who say that "Demon Rum" was the downfall of the Indian nations and continues to be a plague on them until this day.
In considering how they became such good warriors....they were accustomed to protecting their village from bears, wolves, big cats and various other critters competing for food and attempting to make meals on them and their children. Figuring out how to fight other humans couldn't have been that much of a leap when they realized they must fight to protect their families.



posted on Oct, 5 2014 @ 02:29 AM
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a reply to: Dark Ghost


Yep, because White man created and is the sole perpetrator for conflict? Funny how The Middle East and Africa are taking the cake on that one.

ISIS is on the cusp of committing a genocide against Christians that is possibly greater than Hitler and the Nazi's.

But White man came along and destroyed everything, funny that White Countries are the most developed, safe and civilized countries in the world today.



posted on Oct, 5 2014 @ 03:45 AM
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originally posted by: chuck258
a reply to: Dark Ghost
But White man came along and destroyed everything, funny that White Countries are the most developed, safe and civilized countries in the world today.


White countries? What nonsense is that? Where on earth do you live that you think there are "white countries"? Africa is mostly brown and black. Europe and America are mixes of various colours. Russia is a stew of many peoples too in various colours. China - need I say more? Australia? Ever heard of aboriginals? Okay, India? No, not white. So, where on earth do you live that you think there are "white countries"?



posted on Oct, 5 2014 @ 04:12 AM
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originally posted by: Dark Ghost
a reply to: solemind4

Ironic that today the vast majority of countries with majority white populations are among the most civilized throughout the world.

This "blame whitey for all our problems" sounds like something the Nation of Islam or Black Panthers would preach.


lol... wut?

The vast majority of countries with majority white populations are among the most civilized throughout the world... you sir, are biased to your "white" genetics. Explain what you mean by "civilized" and don't google then quote the definition, let me hear your definition.

Half of my blood is from European decent... and I'm extremely biased towards knowledge and I really dislike ignorance, my friend. Just stop with this "don't blame whitey" nonsense. It's showing reverse evolution of our people.

I considered Libya more civilized than any country, before the UN assassinated Gaddafi.

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posted on Oct, 5 2014 @ 04:17 AM
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originally posted by: chuck258
a reply to: Dark Ghost


Yep, because White man created and is the sole perpetrator for conflict? Funny how The Middle East and Africa are taking the cake on that one.

ISIS is on the cusp of committing a genocide against Christians that is possibly greater than Hitler and the Nazi's.

But White man came along and destroyed everything, funny that White Countries are the most developed, safe and civilized countries in the world today.



Funny how they're using our weapons over there, they sure didn't steal them.

Genocide? What religious driven genocide was greater than the Native American Genocide?
50-100 million estimated natives in America, pre-columbus. 80-90% gone.

Look up the island of Espanola and how many were there pre-columbus... then read his own writings of how they ALL died. I believe he says something along the lines that no known deaths were due to disease.



posted on Oct, 5 2014 @ 04:22 AM
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originally posted by: Yeahkeepwatchingme
The Natives routinely enslaved, and kept women and children for themselves.

Not to mention the tortures.....


This mentioning of "Natives" is incredibly ignorant and racist. How do you classify all natives when there were THOUSANDS of tribes. So what you're saying is they all routinely enslaved, kept women and children for themselves.

Where do you people get this information about all the natives as one? That's literally like saying that all "white" people are ignorant based off of your mindset. But the truth is, no... we are NOT all ignorant, just you are.

Be more specific with the "Natives" because you speak as if the tribes were states and they all worked together.
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posted on Oct, 5 2014 @ 05:04 AM
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originally posted by: anicetus
lol... wut?

The vast majority of countries with majority white populations are among the most civilized throughout the world... you sir, are biased to your "white" genetics. Explain what you mean by "civilized" and don't google then quote the definition, let me hear your definition.


My definition of a civilized population is where most people within that population are peaceful, respectful, law-abiding and supportive. A civilized society is one that is cohesive, politically stable and proactive.


Half of my blood is from European decent... and I'm extremely biased towards knowledge and I really dislike ignorance, my friend. Just stop with this "don't blame whitey" nonsense. It's showing reverse evolution of our people.


No offense, but I don't think many people in this thread care about your heritage...

"Don't blame whitey" nonsense? How does not wanting all white people to be lumped into a common enemy that can be scapegoated for all the world's problems lead you to see such a view as "reverse evolution" exactly?



posted on Oct, 5 2014 @ 05:19 AM
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The list of 10 commandments is excellent - beautiful actually and certainly wise words to live by.



posted on Oct, 5 2014 @ 07:47 AM
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a reply to: solemind4



My point is, there was no hatred, no fear of another human being because they were all the same, just living on different paths of destiny.


Yeah...that never really happened.

There were many tribal wars and they were started for many reasons- encroachment of hunting grounds, border skirmishes, and my personal favorite, the good old scalp n' taunt.

As for these 'commandments' many of them are prevalent in many ancient cultures-From Africa to Australia the Ancients have respected and revered the environment and it's creatures in one form or another, and also share a similar form of spiritualism in the form of a shaman or a wiseman.

If the Native Americans knew something 'that we' were blind to, you can bet that other 'Natives' around the globe were also aware of it.



posted on Oct, 5 2014 @ 09:46 AM
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That is a beautiful list of commandments...though referring to them as commandments seems counterintuitive. So, I guess I'm thinking...modern day Native Americans seem to be spiritually wounded or traumatized as a whole because I kinda see them as having lost this way as much as anyone else.



posted on Oct, 5 2014 @ 10:05 AM
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originally posted by: ForteanOrg

originally posted by: chuck258
a reply to: Dark Ghost
But White man came along and destroyed everything, funny that White Countries are the most developed, safe and civilized countries in the world today.


White countries? What nonsense is that? Where on earth do you live that you think there are "white countries"? Africa is mostly brown and black. Europe and America are mixes of various colours. Russia is a stew of many peoples too in various colours. China - need I say more? Australia? Ever heard of aboriginals? Okay, India? No, not white. So, where on earth do you live that you think there are "white countries"?


Why are so many people pushing this anti white agenda?





Anyway, I think the Indians would have been wiped out by diseases even if no one colonized north America. A continent that big can't stay isolated forever.



posted on Oct, 5 2014 @ 10:31 AM
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They killed themselves, so its okay for an outsder to kill them and take their stuff.

Sort of like how that is applied to middle east as well.

lolz.

The justification is hilarious.



posted on Oct, 5 2014 @ 10:55 AM
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a reply to: solemind4

Just so you know, those 10 commandments were written recently. Native Americans were extremely territorial hunter/gatherers, and often engaged in violent warfare with neighboring tribes. Tribes even aligned with each other to fight other large groups of tribes.

They also had many different religions and gods, most of whom were simply ancestors. They engaged heavily in ancestor worship and elevated ancestors to godlike status.



posted on Oct, 5 2014 @ 10:59 AM
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originally posted by: ItCameFromOuterSpace
a reply to: solemind4

You must be studying from the new curriculum. The one that excludes the part about native americans committing genocide on other tribes.. owning slaves.. cannibalism.
You bring up a lot of good points, but the majority of that is overly romanticized malarky.


Yes, and forgotten also was that they ate meat pretty regularly. The agenda 21 crowd officially uses indigenous peoples as a way to bludgeon the rest of us over the head. And I haven't made that up for sure. It's in the literature to give indigenous peoples special treatment while they aim to take the wealth from affluent Americans and redistribute it among the populations of other countrires, or just plain use it in their depopulation programs. Also part of the Agenda 21 plan is to stop Americans from eating beef because it is believed that beef is too affluent a food and people in many countries only eat rice. After all, the goal is "social and economic equality" (that is Marxism with a different face). Going back to primitive cultures and ways of life seems to be the newest Utopia. By the way Agenda 21 literature also says air conditioning is bad too.



posted on Oct, 5 2014 @ 11:06 AM
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I love how threads like these are always bumrushed by racist propaganda to try and justify or even deny genocide. People that claim to know the history of the people before they stepped foot here. Amusing as hell.



posted on Oct, 5 2014 @ 11:06 AM
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originally posted by: luciddream
They killed themselves, so its okay for an outsder to kill them and take their stuff.

Sort of like how that is applied to middle east as well.

lolz.

The justification is hilarious.


No, you missed the point entirely, which is that in today's literature, indigenous Indians are overly romanticized as a way to condemn those who arrived in the Americas in search of a better life than that which they had in Old Europe under the yoke of their overlords there, and while they are at it, they say that those coming over the southern border just want to work. See how all that works? Please see my post on Agenda 21 to further illustrate what is really going on here.



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