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posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 01:33 PM
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a reply to: daskakik

i understand all that...

i'm just shocked that you buy it..




posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 01:35 PM
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a reply to: Daedalus

Buy it?

Isn't the fact that they let millions of illegals in while you all complain about it proof of that?



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 02:01 PM
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a reply to: daskakik

i'm honestly not sure if it's a matter of "letting them in", so much as it's just not giving a s**t about securing the border properly.. and then not putting in the effort to round up those who made it through..



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 02:09 PM
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a reply to: Daedalus
But you are sure that they are putting in the effort to be accommodating?



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 03:20 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: Daedalus
But you are sure that they are putting in the effort to be accommodating?



Hell yeah! When an illegal gets more help than a citizen, it's a huge problem!



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 03:38 PM
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a reply to: daskakik

yes, because the evidence of it is all around us...



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 03:50 PM
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a reply to: Night Star
We were not discussing whether it was a problem or not.

a reply to: Daedalus
So is it or isn't it just a matter of "not giving a s**t about securing the border properly.. and then not putting in the effort to round up those who made it through."



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 03:53 PM
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I make just a bit above the poverty level so can't even get help with medical. It has already cost me over a thousand dollars for Doctor appointments, one is a specialist, blood work, and other tests and medicines. My life savings is just about gone. I am disabled but they make you wait two years to get Medicare I guess because I'm in my fifties and not 60's when you get it automatically. To see illegals getting free healthcare as some of them do, I resent the hell out of that. I have worked hard physically for over 30 years.

I knew someone who desperately needed cheap housing and the waiting list was for two years before they would have an opening. I also knew a couple of illegals who got the damned cheap housing and didn't have to wait! I'm sorry, but that's not right.

Illegals vote when they aren't supposed to. There was a good video where an illegal was interviewed about that. There were also some illegals who were claiming a bunch of kids at income tax time...kids that weren't even in the damned Country and were nephews and nieces! I could on and on but I'll shut up for now. How anyone cannot see the negative aspects of illegal immigration is beyond my comprehension.



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 04:05 PM
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originally posted by: Night Star
How anyone cannot see the negative aspects of illegal immigration is beyond my comprehension.

Negative aspects for some and positive for others.

Guess which group is calling the shots?



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 04:55 PM
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a reply to: daskakik

Well it isn't mine, that's for sure.



posted on Oct, 16 2014 @ 05:36 PM
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originally posted by: Night Star
a reply to: daskakik
Well it isn't mine, that's for sure.

Which is why the guy sneaking into your home analogy doesn't describe the real situation.



posted on Oct, 17 2014 @ 05:34 AM
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a reply to: Night Star

I don't have the energy after a long day to respond to the guy attacking me so I'll just quickly respond to you since you seem incredibly reasonable much like Marlee Grace (I'm close on the name right?).

I totally get what you're saying. Illegal immigration causes problems. It's unfair to hardworking Americans. I totally understand that as I've said at least ten times by now.

My entire point as I apparently still can't get across (since I'm perceived as some stuck up raging asshole who can't understand anything) is that you shouldn't waste your time and energy blaming the illegals. They are doing what's best for then and their family and taking advantage of what is being allowed (it's definitely bring allowed if not officially as many have said and I agree with).

I'll make two analogies to try and illustrate my point.

Is an illegal lying or bs'ing on taxes (I thought they never paid taxes?) worse than a m(b)illionaire or mega corporation doing the same thing? Citizenship gives you the right to lie and steal from hardworking Americans? Or is it that doing it for greed without work more American than for your family with blood sweat and years? In my opinion these illegal immigrants are showing more American values than our corporate rulers, citizenship or no.. Not to mention that one family of illegals is less of a tax burden than a government subsidized tax evading corporation. This last sentence is highly debatable but the spirit of this paragraph before that is less so.

Secondly and more to my real point. Compare illegal immigration to outsourcing. Both are driven at the core of things by cost cutting, profit hungry businessman who give literally no #s about America or its citizens. We can agree on that right? So when you hear about outsourcing do you think "screw those Chinese people for taking our jobs to try and escape crushing poverty" or do you think "screw those businessmen selling out our hard working blue collar Americans just to line their pockets with even more money"? The latter is the correct thought. You are entitled to the former and I've heard it a million times but this Chinese people trying to get by are not worried about blue collar American workers. Why should they be? That's not their problem. The American businessmen or at least our government or citizens should be the ones worrying about it. So if you followed my analogy don't get mad at illegals for doing something totally reasonable from their perspective.

People keep saying that the state of Latin American countries is not America's problem. On the same note the welfare of America is not the problem of these illegal immigrants. Why should they care about Americans over their own family?

Once again to reiterate. Illegal immigrants cause problems. If things were being run properly we could probably just accept them legally or at the least cover the expense easily. Our national and state budgets are being decimated by a very diverse set of issues but the biggest one which causes all of the others at least in part, is the overarching and complete failure of the capitalist system and the banking system running it behind the scenes.

Seriously can you not see how we've let capitalism go too far? We act like it's an infallible system but it's clearly failed just as hard as all the others humanity has tried. Are we waiting to collapse like the Soviet Union before we admit our failures? I guess so since the majority of Americans call someone talking like I do a communist or socialist or dumbass or fool or small minded or any other number of things.

When you think you're always right and refuse to question the principles underlying your problems things never get better. I learned that the hard way. Did this post help at all? It's amazing how difficult it is to get people to see past tiny issues towards the underlying ones causing them.



posted on Oct, 17 2014 @ 09:52 AM
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a reply to: tavi45

I have always blamed government and corporations. You can't help but to be resentful of double standards and illegals being catered to above an American citizen. After years of getting to know illegals and hearing their stories, it doesn't matter how much I like them, I tell them that I don't agree with how they are going about things. I mean one lady said she didn't want to wait the time it took to go through the proper channels. It wasn't that she couldn't, it was that she wouldn't.

Too many of the women lied saying they were a one income household when in truth they had a husband working under the table and their combined income was over the poverty limit, yet they got cheap housing, medical, food stamps... Many of them had no intention of staying and saved up money from here so they could do well in their own Country. In all the time that they are here, they are taking away a job opportunity from a citizen. Many that come here were not poor when they came here and spent a lot to get here and for fraudulent documents or stolen identities. I do feel they should hold personal responsibility, just as an American citizen should. So...they are not completely blameless.


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posted on Oct, 17 2014 @ 10:03 AM
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a reply to: Night Star
What double standard? US citizens have the same chance of working the system. Not saying it is the right thing to do but the opportunity is still there.



posted on Oct, 17 2014 @ 10:42 PM
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a reply to: daskakik

LOL I know, my illegal friends told me the that too. I wasn't raised that way.




posted on Oct, 18 2014 @ 12:56 AM
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a reply to: Night Star
My point was that you can't claim that there is a double standard when it is you who chooses not to act and you can't claim that they are being catered to when there is a risk involved.



posted on Oct, 18 2014 @ 12:59 AM
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a reply to: daskakik

They are catered to on many levels, but we both know we won't agree on that. That's ok, we both have a right to our opinions. Have a good night.



posted on Oct, 18 2014 @ 01:06 AM
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a reply to: Night Star
But you never provide any proof to back up those claims. Them taking the chance, like anyone else involved in illicit activities, and getting away with it, isn't being catered to. The only thing that might qualify is the language requirement that you always bring up, but that is a private matter. A business has a right to establish these requirements.



posted on Oct, 18 2014 @ 01:17 AM
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a reply to: daskakik

You a night owl like me das? LOL

Oh I don't know, they get drivers licenses and their language everywhere...if they have an anchor baby they can get welfare benefits and medical. I know, I know, the kid is American, but that law was all about the slaves way back when, not illegals who decide to come just when they are about to give birth. I have so many things to worry about right now and am sorry if I am not as articulate as I should be. Hard to think straight.

I guess all I can say is that many citizens resent illegals because they see them having their needs met when they themselves are not. Many of us will not go the route of being dishonest and try to screw the system. Then again the system sure doesn't care about screwing us. I still think that if each Country took care of their own, we wouldn't have so many problems and so many people suffering. But it's always about the mighty dollar and never about human beings.



posted on Oct, 18 2014 @ 02:15 AM
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originally posted by: Night Star
You a night owl like me das? LOL

Not so much anymore, but I have my nights.


Oh I don't know, they get drivers licenses and their language everywhere...if they have an anchor baby they can get welfare benefits and medical. I know, I know, the kid is American, but that law was all about the slaves way back when, not illegals who decide to come just when they are about to give birth. I have so many things to worry about right now and am sorry if I am not as articulate as I should be. Hard to think straight.

But that is just the way the system is set up. They are just playing the cards dealt to them.


I guess all I can say is that many citizens resent illegals because they see them having their needs met when they themselves are not. Many of us will not go the route of being dishonest and try to screw the system. Then again the system sure doesn't care about screwing us. I still think that if each Country took care of their own, we wouldn't have so many problems and so many people suffering. But it's always about the mighty dollar and never about human beings.

I get it and I understand that you also blame those making the rules. I guess the old ghetto saying applies "Don't hate the player, hate the game".



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