Time-Travellers or Extre-Terrestrials?

originally posted by: seen2much
a reply to: Jennyfrenzy


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From what I read, one can "travel" to the future but to travel back in time is out of the question. It is important to keep this in mind when listening to the lecture.

This is incorrect.

One -could- travel to the past but only to the point at which the time machine one used to travel was invented.

So if in the year 2615 we invent time travel we could travel to the future and back to 2615 but not before then to 2015.


Where it gets REALLY interesting is this question: What if the time machine were invented by an alien species 800 years ago and brought to Earth?

Well then there is not barrier to you going as far back as 800 years. Which of course would seem to violate the "grandfather paradox" (ie: you go back and kill your grandfather so you wouldn't have been born) so if you used the alien time machine it is theorized that you'd actually be going into an alternate past on Earth not the one from this timeline.

Great stuff for sci-fi but other than black holes we know of no really path to time travel into the past. Travel into the future is easy, just fly in any direction away from the Earth at a decent faction > 10% the speed of light.

SEE ALSO: Time travel: Can it really be done?

For a scientific talk on time travel from Arizona State University astrophysicist Paul Davies check the video below:

I'm thinking crypto terrestrials that were here before Humans, although they most likely would have been E.T. at some point.

a reply to: seen2much

Just think if our society becomes a time traveling one, we could accomplish so much, and help so many.

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord
Just think if our society becomes a time traveling one, we could accomplish so much, and help so many.

That's what they said about TV, the internet, robots.

Let's be honest. Time travel would be used for porn.

originally posted by: seen2much
a reply to: Nowyouseeme

I agree with almost everything you posted. I just cannot fathom how a reporter as astute as Howe contradicts herself so blatantly. Has the fetish for "newness" overpowered her and Dolan?

I would rather have 50 more years of quiet solid reporting which does not put a theory over the facts than a fantasy explanation that plays to a hungry audience.

Both Linda Moulton Howe and Richard Dolan are fantasy prone. Just watch Mirage Men to see how Howe can easily buy into something "juicy" but entirely false. And listening to Richard Dolan week to week on his radio show seems to indicate that the UFO "disclosure" thing he thought was inevitable has lost steam so he has to entertain wilder and wilder nonsense from the woo woo crowd.

Im gonna use a guessing game, that somehow fit into popular believe of Sumerian mythology, I mean a lot people bought and manipulated that ancient crap.

So let me summon here a...summary of it.

Anunnaki, makes humans, so that their creations could do the Gods work for them, when they even gave them the tools, so mortals can do the Anunnaki work. Like wow, they sound like inspiring role models.

The Watchers, were they could of been created by the Anunnaki, or were just there in the first place. Where it sounds like they stay in the physical plane of reality.

Makes one wonder which one belong to which belongs to E.D or E.T category

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

Just think if our society becomes a time traveling one, we could accomplish so much, and help so many.

That's what they said about TV, the internet, robots.



Let's be honest. Time travel would be used for porn.

Hey nothing wrong with porn I guess. . . Well to each thier own LOLz.

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord
Just think if our society becomes a time traveling one, we could accomplish so much, and help so many.

Why do we need to help anybody? Just to be nice?

Ha this thread is still going. The truth you could travel in time, if by how you define time is a frame in the universe, ie imagine the whole of the universe is one giant thing, and every single atom in it during its long progression is set to a certain state, and since every atom that you are made of has existed in another state in the stages of the universe, all you have to do then is just reverse the whole entirety of the universe back to previous states of being and frames. And technically you will go back in time, but that also means you would not exist outside your frame or timeline as you are now.

So yes, it would be basically going to another frame in the progression of the physical universe. But most likely you would not be able to go there physically even if you could, because if you could you would be a different reconfiguration of matter, all those atoms you are made of will exist as something else somewhere else. It would likely expel you or destroy straight off even if you achieved it. It would be like you suddentely ended up on the bottom of the ocean, you would displace so much water and your sudden appearance there would likely crush you in the pressure. You could send data back and forth much easily but actual physical things and living organisms not likely. Or at least it would not be pleasant and even if you succeed they would likely die from gazillions of other such complications, even for the fact that they would not fit into the era.

But it would be much easier to go to a different dimension then time travel, mostly because time is just a fabrication, a measurement. But dimensions are more concrete, if every atom or particle on the micro scale is tuned to a vibrational frequency to make up your physical world atoms and all and everything around it. Then all you would have to do is find that vibration more in-tune with yours and basically find some way to change the whole makeup of a thing into a different configuration of matter. It would basically be like changing the channel on your reality, but only for that which has steeped into whatever you used to change its whole mater construction and vibration on the physical plane.

So basically if all physical matter in your realm is constitute to a certain pattern, then if you shift that pattern you will be basically changing channels. You dont even have to change anything else but that particular area and everything in it. So ya instead of a time machine its a dimensional borrow machine. Though nothing biological would likely survive it, because it would be basically breaking it all up and reconstructing it in a different field, but who knows.

It would be basically like that blue man from the watchmen comics and movie. You would have to know the whole matter of the situation and how to rebuild it all atom to atom into something that would function in that vibration without breaking the rules of it. Its basically a molecular reconfigure machine set to a different tempo, on the very fabric of matter itself, ie if that all dimensions are but different vibrational frequencies of matter.

In either case i do not think the whole kill your grandfather scenario would happen. Because in both instances you would have stepped out of that loop and onto a new one. So yes if you could go back in time, or dimension and you could kill yourself even, and you would still exist, in fact you could kill everybody and you would still be, because you have stepped outside of that paradigm. And into a new one, and so on it will likely go forever.

It a whole host of problems and beyond insanity even if you could achieve a fraction of that. And whatever does it would be so far above humans about as far as humans are to ants. So, really its interesting science fiction. But even if ti were to happen it would be like force of nature and we may not even notice it or even clued into to it, in effect it would be outside of our known perspective and understanding, even if you were to witness something like that it would be like a cavemen watching an eclipse and thinking some giant serpent has eaten the sun, then scratching his head and going back to sleep...Merely a dream and a forgettable fancy once the new day dawns, and life goes on. If his mind is even able to process it or comprehend it that is. More like an ant witnessing an eclipse, its not relevant to an ants mind and an ants world. So therefore it would not even notice such a thing much less process it.

originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

Just think if our society becomes a time traveling one, we could accomplish so much, and help so many.

Why do we need to help anybody? Just to be nice?

Because we can have morals and seek a greater and higher path to action, end suffering and aid others with infinate abundance.
There is so much good to be done in the world, with time travel infinate good can be done.
Whats better than doing infinate good deeds which help all?
Pretty awesome if you ask me.

a reply to: galadofwarthethird
Thank you for a well thought through post. At the end of what you are saying is that while these things are theoretically possible, they are not survivable from a practical perspective. Another explanation is that they simply don't exist. Since dimensions other than the three visible dimensions and time are only theoretical and have never been physically detected, despite decades of trying, it is unlikely they will ever be within reach as you indicate, if they even exist. As much as I want to believe in higher dimensions, time travel etc., all these theories still have so many holes that it is possible they are simply wrong. It is also possible that there is not a unified theory that explains everything.

Therefore, the extraterrestrial theory seems more logical than time travel or inter-dimensional beings. A more logical explanation of UFO sightings is this. Most of them are government made craft or the eyewitness did not really see what they thought, i.e. an optical illusion. I have spent years looking for evidence of ET and the truth is that unfortunately while there are hard to explain cases, definitive evidence simply does not exist. I truly believe there are other intelligent beings in our galaxy. It is possible we have been visited, but, I think those visitations have been very rare. Being observed by unmanned probes is much more likely and it would not be shocking if unmanned probes are here.

Unfortunately what I am finding with almost all the UFO guys is that they start off sounding reasonable, they run out of material and to stay relevant / make money, they become unreasonable. Its sad, but, the nature of our hobby...

If the world is simulated and there is eidence that it is, then time travel would be as simple as rewinding your simulation, or writing a code into the simulation to replay a certain era.

The simple fact that Linda Moulton Howe and Richard Dolan's names are both attached to this is all the evidence I need that there isn't a lick of truth to it.

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance
The simple fact that Linda Moulton Howe and Richard Dolan's names are both attached to this is all the evidence I need that there isn't a lick of truth to it.

I love Linda Moulton Howe and Richard Dolan they are cool cats.

With time travel for everyone our society could overcome any and every obsticle presented to us on an individual level.

Time travel is an interesting topic for ancient aliens as well as modern aliens. . .

Just think faster than light travel could move you through space and time as well. . . .

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord
If the world is simulated and there is eidence that it is, then time travel would be as simple as rewinding your simulation, or writing a code into the simulation to replay a certain era.

Rewinding a simulation based on random behaviour wouldnt work, you'd end up at a totally different past than what "actually" happened in the past. It would be a newly generated past, a fake. If the "matrix" could be rewinded, it'd have to save the state of everything, every microsecond since the start and then replay from that time index - it'd be the same past, but the future may be different. I'd hate to be the one managing that backup. Especially if we start talking multiverses :p

That is of course, assuming everything is random. But even if all eventualities exist at the same time and going forward in time isnt random behvaviour of a single timeline, backtracking through that matrix (pun intended) would be impossible unless you knew the exact state of everything in existance at a specific point of time in space and could compare with the past you backtracked to. If its wrong, try again until you get a 100% match. Problem is of course, for every eventuality, you're increasing the matching calculation needed exponentially. Ie going back 0.1 second would be "easy", relativly speaking. Going back 1 year in comparison would be... impossible. Although when I think about it with that in mind, in theory you could make tiny, tiny jumps back in time and hopefully maintain accurate time travel. The smaller the jump, the more accurate match for your past will be. BUT that also assume you know the state you're going to which is... impossible. So maybe not :p

originally posted by: merka

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

If the world is simulated and there is eidence that it is, then time travel would be as simple as rewinding your simulation, or writing a code into the simulation to replay a certain era.

Rewinding a simulation based on random behaviour wouldnt work, you'd end up at a totally different past than what "actually" happened in the past. It would be a newly generated past, a fake. If the "matrix" could be rewinded, it'd have to save the state of everything, every microsecond since the start and then replay from that time index - it'd be the same past, but the future may be different. I'd hate to be the one managing that backup. Especially if we start talking multiverses :p



That is of course, assuming everything is random. But even if all eventualities exist at the same time and going forward in time isnt random behvaviour of a single timeline, backtracking through that matrix (pun intended) would be impossible unless you knew the exact state of everything in existance at a specific point of time in space and could compare with the past you backtracked to. If its wrong, try again until you get a 100% match. Problem is of course, for every eventuality, you're increasing the matching calculation needed exponentially. Ie going back 0.1 second would be "easy", relativly speaking. Going back 1 year in comparison would be... impossible. Although when I think about it with that in mind, in theory you could make tiny, tiny jumps back in time and hopefully maintain accurate time travel. The smaller the jump, the more accurate match for your past will be. BUT that also assume you know the state you're going to which is... impossible. So maybe not :p

The simulation may be infinate. . . . .

a reply to: dougie6665
Its not so much that they dont exist. It's more like if and when you are able to accomplish all that. None of the thing you know now, or see around you, will be any any way shape or form relevant to you at all anymore. So yes to the goldfish in the bowl thinking about what is outside its environment even if it could achieve such a things, is merely a hobby.

originally posted by: galadofwarthethird
a reply to: dougie6665

Its not so much that they dont exist. It's more like if and when you are able to accomplish all that. None of the thing you know now, or see around you, will be any any way shape or form relevant to you at all anymore. So yes to the goldfish in the bowl thinking about what is outside its environment even if it could achieve such a things, is merely a hobby.

I think technology comes into play when we talk time travel, with unlimited technology beings could look any way they wanted.