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This Country Just Abolished College Tuiton Fees

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posted on Oct, 2 2014 @ 01:06 PM
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originally posted by: onequestion
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Oh look, a country that cares about its people!

Well let me tell you something country. Your people need to take responsability for themselves. I'm not chipping in for your education so you can have a brighter future. Why would I care about you? IM DOING GREAT! But it's because Im the best yay!

/sarcasm off



Prospective students in the United States who can’t afford to pay for college or don’t want to rack up tens of thousands in student debt should try their luck in Germany. Higher education is now free throughout the country, even for international students. Yesterday, Lower Saxony became the last of seven German states to abolish tuition fees, which were already extremely low compared to those paid in the United States.


Good for you Germany. Many of you will see this as a move towards socialism, but I however will see this as progress and evolution. I mean seriously why does it cost 100k for someone to read you a book? Anything is better then the corporate backed money machines we call college here in the US.


It was actually this way when I lived in Germany over a decade ago. Even if you are foreign, as long as you can establish residency and prove that you can speak/read/write German you are covered. The last one is kind of the kicker but with tuition costs these days more than worth learning I think.




posted on Oct, 2 2014 @ 01:47 PM
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a reply to: onequestion




I don't have a profit over everything mentality though. I just care about the general welfare of our country. The job is just a means to an end not an end all be all your only successful if you make more money then me selfish paradigm that's destroying us.


That reminds me of a conversation I had with my allergist today. He asked what I do and I answered "I'm an electronics engineer". He says "cool, do you make the big bucks?". I say "depends on what you call 'big bucks'. He says there are some engineers in his family and they're all stuck around 80k. I tell him I make 100k and he says "that's not the big bucks". I'm like, maybe to you who just charged my insurance company $800 to stick a scope in my nose, but I bet to one of the girls sitting out at your front desk it is...

I also think a college education should be provided here free of charge. When I say free, I know it has to be paid for somehow, but I wouldn't mind higher taxes if things like education and healthcare were covered as essentials. It only makes sense to me. Of course, my mountain of student loan debt colors my opinion though. Course, if we expected the government to collect the money and administer it for all these things then I guess we could only expect it to get dipped into like social security has and then next thing you know they'd start cutting back those benefits. But once the new tax was in effect it would never go down would it?



posted on Oct, 2 2014 @ 02:33 PM
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originally posted by: onequestion

With a dead manufacturing base do these kids really have an option?

It's not like you can just do an apprenticeship and make 25$ an hour with as much overtime as you want anymore.


That's not a necessary scenario in order to lead a happy life.

Americans, and much of the world, are fed a load of crap as to what it means to be happy and successful. "Free" (the citizens still pay for it in other ways) college education is not the answer, nor is it even the right problem. The problem is that people whine about the American collegiate system, yet still fork over the money to participate in it.

Manufacturing is dead because we allowed it to die...if you want it back, it starts with the demand of the people which will change the supply. Right now, the supply is stagnant universities with administrators and professors and coaches who think their pay should be a ridiculous compensation for what they do. It's as bad as congress--and the product they put out isn't much better.

And don't even get me started on corporate taxes and why manufacturing hasn't stuck around...
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posted on Oct, 2 2014 @ 04:05 PM
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And when they graduate reality usually hits them in the face because there aren't many jobs out there as there used to be. Don't know the rest of the world is but in America when you have PHDs and former GAs and TAs working at McDonald's or going "Hi, how can I help you?" to people walking into Staples you know there's a problem. Not only with the economy but society as a whole.

The entire scam that you must go to college, constantly showing life as a natural progression from grade school to "higher" education (I put that in quotes since many colleges have become expensive dispensaries combined with the professors having their heads firmly lodged further up a certain area) is insane.

Personally, most of the people I know who went to college and graduated are working at McDonald's Staples, Starbucks, and whining how much debt they've accumulated. Yikes.



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 12:21 AM
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originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71
Do you seriously think the tax payers want to pay for a degree in gender studies?
Streamline the list of degrees available to useful fields and raise the standards of admission to weed out the ones that don't belong in college. Then we can consider free tuition.


Why is gender studies not a valid degree? Do we not want people in society that are educated on those issues and are able to contribute to them?



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 06:58 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: kelbtalfenek

If it is government price controlled you will get what you pay for: mediocrity.



Only in a country that cares more about the almighty dollar sir.



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 07:03 AM
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originally posted by: kelbtalfenek
Only in a country that cares more about the almighty dollar sir.


And do you live in Altruism Land were people volunteer their time for everything or do the people there need to work for a living?



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 08:20 AM
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a reply to: onequestion
I am not socialist. I cringe at it really.

I am happy about this. I don't even see it as social responsibility or the right and moral thing to do.

I see this as a very worthwhile investment. I would gladly pay more taxes all my life if when my kid went to college she could choose based on where she wanted to go rather than what she could afford. I would revel in the possibility of living among educated people.

I myself didn't get to go because we couldn't afford it. I could have gone later but honestly my life had already changed at that point and the only thing I could get sucked..so I self educated, worked and chose a different life.

I don't see anything wrong with a country full of educated people. This would end a whole host of issues right off the bat.

I want a country where everyone is cultured and well versed in something. A place where people have higher ambitions beyond wealth or power or even comfortable living. I want a freaking nation of Titans.

Its not too much to ask.


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posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 11:08 AM
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originally posted by: tadaman
I want a country where everyone is cultured and well versed in something. A place where people have higher ambitions beyond wealth or power or even comfortable living. I want a freaking nation of Titans.

Its not too much to ask.



That would be nice but we currently live in a culture of material acquisition and more importantly fear of losing those things. That's a long way off from what you just described.



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 11:24 AM
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I never went to collage, never went hungry, never slept under the stars, never went barefoot, sired three fine sons, now I am retired, live quite comfortably, paid tax when I had the money, without going to college.



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 11:41 AM
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originally posted by: DaphneApollo
I need to move to Germany! Teach my son German and educate him there. Wonder how that would even work, not being a citizen?

Anyway, I have been complaining forever about the debt of student loans for American citizens to be educated to work and carry on in their own country. It's a shame!!


You don't have to be a citizen of a country in order to be a student there. You might need a student visa though. I went to College and Graduate School in the U.S. and I am Bulgarian. The bummer is that I grew to love this country so much and wanted to stay and work there, but I had to leave, because I finished Graduate School in 2008 when the U.S. economy went down... Very bad timing for me since getting a work visa became almost impossible! The funny thing is that I had a full scholarship for playing tennis so my education was paid by the U.S. and yet, I have been denied a visitor's visa already three times and a work visa once! Now, you tell me how that makes sense when you have in mind all of the low-skill illegal immigrants who are not stopped from getting in the U.S...



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 11:48 AM
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In the big scheme of things, it's not 'free' but probably being paid for by taxpayers. If they are willing to education international students for free, how is that different than the US educating the flood of illegals pouring in that are expecting the same from us.



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 12:41 PM
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originally posted by: ilian51378

originally posted by: DaphneApollo
I need to move to Germany! Teach my son German and educate him there. Wonder how that would even work, not being a citizen?

Anyway, I have been complaining forever about the debt of student loans for American citizens to be educated to work and carry on in their own country. It's a shame!!


You don't have to be a citizen of a country in order to be a student there. You might need a student visa though. I went to College and Graduate School in the U.S. and I am Bulgarian. The bummer is that I grew to love this country so much and wanted to stay and work there, but I had to leave, because I finished Graduate School in 2008 when the U.S. economy went down... Very bad timing for me since getting a work visa became almost impossible! The funny thing is that I had a full scholarship for playing tennis so my education was paid by the U.S. and yet, I have been denied a visitor's visa already three times and a work visa once! Now, you tell me how that makes sense when you have in mind all of the low-skill illegal immigrants who are not stopped from getting in the U.S...


Please start a thread on this topic is love to read the doscussion



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 01:07 PM
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a reply to: Aazadan

I am not proposing that they do not have those goals. I said I want them to also have HIGHER ambitions like those an education offers. IMO the problem we have today that no one wants to admit to is that RICH PEOPLE ARE INCREASINGLY DUMBER...and the poor are even dumber. Everyone is worried about getting money (which is fine and VERY necessary) but they are retarded beyond that. GREED is a TERRIBLE strategy. It is very short sighted and temporal. THAT is what is not sustainable. Using MILLIONS of people for a common goal would make us unstoppable. It is the greatest asset humanity has ever had.....What do they want to do? make them dumb and then have them die....just pour the wealth into the tombs like throwing gold nuggets over board....

Educating all and then having all compete with the world for greater wealth is not incompatible with true capitalism. Its a better strategy is all. Eat today, eat tomorrow sort of thing.


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posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 01:17 PM
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originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: Aazadan

I am not proposing that they do not have those goals. I said I want them to also have HIGHER ambitions like those an education offers. IMO the problem we have today that no one wants to admit to is that rich RICH PEOPLE ARE INCREASINGLY DUMBER...and the poor and even dumber. Everyone is worried about getting money (which is fine and VERY necessary) but they are retarded beyond that. GREED is a TERRIBLE strategy. It is very short sighted and temporal. THAT is what is not sustainable. Using MILLIONS of people for a common goal would make us unstoppable. It is the greatest asset humanity has ever had.....What do they want to do? make them dumb and then have them die....just pour the wealth into the tombs like throwing gold nuggets over board....

Educating all and then having all compete with the world for greater wealth is not incompatible with true capitalism. Its a better strategy is all. Eat today, eat tomorrow sort of thing.



I agree tadaman. Our greed paradigm is destroying human progress. IMO we are devolving into a new dark age.



posted on Oct, 6 2014 @ 10:59 AM
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originally posted by: onequestion


With a dead manufacturing base do these kids really have an option?

It's not like you can just do an apprenticeship and make 25$ an hour with as much overtime as you want anymore.


first i think the cost of college is insane.

to what you said, for the most part i agree. i think it just depends on where you live i guess.

the manufacturing and engineering injury is huge and there are jobs out there. people just dont want to do them. i had this discussion in another thread right after i signed up.

i worked at a foundry. went in with no qualifications or certificates related to the job i was doing. i had automotive certifications but they meant nothing there.
anyway, i didnt quite start at the bottom but i was lower end. i took to it right away and blazed up the latter.

i made my way through quality control and then into the metal lab. i was running a spectrometer and a carbon analyzer. i was using different scopes to look at physical properties.
they brought a brand new cnc so we could turn our own test bars instead of sending them out. i didnt know anything about a cnc when they got it but they approached me to run it. it came with a nice raise and a better shift so i said hell yes. they sent me to class at HAAS and i was up and running.

in 2 years time i had accumulated more than $5 an hour in raises....

i know it does not go that way for everyone but it is possible.

thing is that is one of those jobs people dont want anything to do with. its long hours. its hot in summer. its cold in winter. its dirty and loud. its dangerous as well but you know what, it pays...
i was making good money per hour and it was nothing to rack up 30 hours over time.

people dont want to put in that kind of work though.

it was nothing to see 12-15 temps starting on a monday and by wednesday there would be 2 left. happened all the time.

i was training a guy once and he said he had to go to the bathroom. he was gone for a few so i went to make sure nothing happened to him on the way and i found his boots and hard hat in the bathroom. he booked out after 4 days.
most people they bring in do not even make it to their first pay day. the people that can grind it out though start getting paid when the raises come through.

my point is it can be done. jobs are out there.

that foundry has been around for more than 100 years and they hire all the time. people cant handle it



posted on Oct, 6 2014 @ 11:11 AM
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originally posted by: SlapMonkey


Manufacturing is dead because we allowed it to die.....


again, maybe it is where you live but manufacturing is far from dead. that is one area where there are jobs to be had and they pay well. people just dont want to do them.

there are tons of jobs in that area where you can walk into with no qualifications...i did it

if you had a degree or certificate in manufacturing and engineering or textiles or material science and you would be good to go. jobs would be there.

if you really want to crank up the dollars you can get some six sigma training.....thats money right there.

cmm is another way to go. if you have cmm certificates then you are getting paid. where i live(ohio) if you had cmm training/experience you could walk onto a job running a faro arm or something and make $25 per hour easily....

even if you have no experience or training you could walk into a job like i did at the foundry and work your way up and it dont take long cause people dont stick.
the foundry sent people to school all the time for six sigma.

thats my opinion. if you are not a white collar scholar or academic then thats the way to go.

i know the foundry would pay for your college/training as long as it was relavant to the job you were doing or going to do at the foundry.

they also promote from within. they post job openings for better positions all the times as well as offering apprenticeship classes in electrical and hydraulics...
those guys that worked maintenance at the foundry made long money.....
its possble

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learn this and make some money and have some job security

www.faro.com...


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posted on Oct, 6 2014 @ 11:27 AM
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Hey thanks for the info I. Going to look into it.

Oh it's healthcare management.
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posted on Oct, 6 2014 @ 11:34 AM
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originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: CardiffGiant

Hey thanks for the info I. Going to look into it.

Oh it's healthcare management.


dont know what you mean by healthcare management...

if you need/want some help digging up info and resources let me know.
ive messed with a faro arm a little bit.

cnc operation pays well too but if you want to make some cash check out cnc programming.
you learn G and M codes and youre good to go.

land work in a shop that has a few cnc and youre doing the programming then you can expect to make some bucks



posted on Oct, 7 2014 @ 09:31 AM
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originally posted by: CardiffGiant

originally posted by: SlapMonkey



Manufacturing is dead because we allowed it to die.....




again, maybe it is where you live but manufacturing is far from dead. that is one area where there are jobs to be had and they pay well. people just dont want to do them.



there are tons of jobs in that area where you can walk into with no qualifications...i did it


When we make comments like that, it means in general, looking at the broader picture in America, where manufacturers have opted to head overseas in lieu of paying the ridiculous taxes to stay here. It really says something when you consider that the cost and hassle of opening manufacturing plants in a foreign country and to pay for the shipping of items back to the U.S. to sell is a better option than just manufacturing the products on our own backyard.

I understand manufacturing is alive and well, it's just petering out in the U.S. overall. But, I, too, live in an area where there are still a lot of those jobs, but too many people are unwilling to take them, instead opting for government assistance or ridiculous student-loan debt to get a degree that will end up not netting much more income in the long run.



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