How Can Skeptics Still Deny the Supernatrual?

a reply to: Tangerine

Prove that unicorns do not exist.

Easily done.

1. Claims of the existence of unicorns have been made in European culture for many centuries.
   
   
2. No trace of real unicorns has ever been found, neither has any non-anecdotal circumstantial evidence to suggest that they exist.
   
   
3. All attempts to obtain physical evidence of unicorns' existence have failed, despite the seekers' best efforts.
   
   
4. Therefore, as a working hypothesis based on induction, it is legitimate to claim that unicorns don't exist.

You may think that, just because I've left a window through which future evidence of unicorns' existence may be introduced to disprove the present conclusion, I have not proved my case absolutely. Technically, you would be correct, but the reservation is meaningless, because in fact there is no proposition that can be proven absolutely.

Propositions can never be fully proven, only falsified by testing. Even watertight deductive proofs have to be based on falsifiable experiential premises. It is equally impossible, to prove a 'positive'.

Absence of evidence is evidence of absence.

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: Tangerine

Prove that unicorns do not exist.

Easily done.

1. Claims of the existence of unicorns have been made in European culture for many centuries.
   
   
2. No trace of real unicorns has ever been found, neither has any non-anecdotal circumstantial evidence to suggest that they exist.
   
   
3. All attempts to obtain physical evidence of unicorns' existence have failed, despite the seekers' best efforts.
   
   
4. Therefore, as a working hypothesis based on induction, it is legitimate to claim that unicorns don't exist.

You may think that, just because I've left a window through which future evidence of unicorns' existence may be introduced to disprove the present conclusion, I have not proved my case absolutely. Technically, you would be correct, but the reservation is meaningless, because in fact there is no proposition that can be proven absolutely.

Propositions can never be fully proven, only falsified by testing. Even watertight deductive proofs have to be based on falsifiable experiential premises. It is equally impossible, to prove a 'positive'.

Absence of evidence is evidence of absence.

A hypothesis is the starting point not the conclusion. You clearly do not understand the scientific method.

a reply to: Tangerine

The scientific method is not what we are discussing here. We are discussing logic.

It is obviously impossible to set up an experiment to prove whether or not something exists — except at a particular time and place ('no calciium in this soil sample').

The point, which you just made yourself, is that you can't prove that unicorns do not exist.

I think denying these things happen is more an inability to accept them. I'd be ready to bet a few dollars that most of the deniers know the stuff happens but would just prefer to either not think about them, or close their eyes to it.

I see no problem with that.

It is materialism that has severed us away from the supernatural.

I myself recognize this problem in myself - I am a reluctant materialist.

But this is the direction the world is moving, tackling it head on is futile.

My advice is to ride the tiger of modernity and see where it leads you. It will tire out, eventually.

I'm a skeptic because I don't see any proof. I never seen proof and I've been on this earth a long time. I would have an open mind if you can provide me solid proof. I mean 100% proof. I know why I haven't ever seen a ghost or any supernatural aspects in my life. Because there is no such thing.

a reply to: LOSTinAMERICA

Will you feel silly if you ever saw one? I mean, I'm not a crazy person and I've seen one.

originally posted by: OOOOOO
a reply to: rebelv

Well this surly simplifies things, with your provided definition, but this also proves my point, even this Creation, is indeed Super Natural, by your provided reliable definition

"adjective
1.
(of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature:
"a supernatural being"
synonyms: ghostly · phantom · spectral · otherworldly · unearthly · "

And my adding Worldly as well, since this to is currently, beyond scientific understanding.

But take something as simple, as that feeling you get when you just know something is going to happen, 6th sense, this has been more than proven.

The fact your mind can alter, a random number machine.

Yea, and the nature part, but then again, all things are of nature, and even natural, as a progression of the perfect plan. So in reality nothing really is Super Natural, it is all normal, a planned event.

Time is the Universe evolving, you as I, have no understanding of what is to transpire, at the Omega Point, or in-between pretty much.
I am aware of one very important fact though, The Truth is prevalent in all these mystery's we have before us falseness in the end only leads you back to the Truth.

Oh, don't get me wrong I believe in The Supernatural.
I've experienced The Supernatural.

For me, all I had to do was play with a Ouija Board one
time and not take it seriously.

I was just curious what the dictionary definition was, and
if one definition is events that can not or have not been
scientifically explained then The Supernatural exists to
believers and naysayers alike.

In this definition even things discovered in science,
science really can't scientifically explain, like for example
an electron is a sphere, ok, what's so unexplainable about that?

It's a 720 degree sphere.

Scientists can't really show you what that looks like or even
how that's possible. They have formed theories, but no real
factual explanations.

This is an awesome thread, because Supernatural apparently
as I've been reading means different things to different people.

Rebel 5

originally posted by: LOSTinAMERICA
I'm a skeptic because I don't see any proof. I never seen proof and I've been on this earth a long time. I would have an open mind if you can provide me solid proof. I mean 100% proof. I know why I haven't ever seen a ghost or any supernatural aspects in my life. Because there is no such thing.

Having an open mind means being open to the possibility and not taking a position prior to evidence. You've taken a position without evidence. Skeptics don't do that.

a reply to: Tangerine

The point, which you may have missed, is that the reasons why 'you can't prove a negative' are also the reasons why you can't prove anything. With a few technical exceptions, a proposition can never be proven; it can only survive attempts to falsify it.

More here: Proving a negative.

This time, read the links before arguing, okay?

a reply to: Astyanax

Well, then we may as well all close our memberships to this site.

I've died twice and saw something each time. I however do not believe in spirituality...I believe in science. It doesn't mean I don't believe in ghosts... there's just a scientific answer we've not yet explained. The sun rising was considered magic not to long ago. I'm sure the soul will follow the same fate. When answers begin to arise for what we once thought was a miracle, it replaces the bricks of fear and mysticism that we used to build our house of spirituality. Religion to me was based off a lack of knowledge. I believe in god, and the language he speaks is math

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Lol

And for the record...I make it a point to be very in the know with current events while still remaining fascinated with history. Especially what is considered antediluvian.

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That is pretty sick, why would you say that.

Don't start with your self.

originally posted by: Jenisiz
I've died twice and saw something each time. I however do not believe in spirituality...I believe in science. It doesn't mean I don't believe in ghosts... there's just a scientific answer we've not yet explained. The sun rising was considered magic not to long ago. I'm sure the soul will follow the same fate. When answers begin to arise for what we once thought was a miracle, it replaces the bricks of fear and mysticism that we used to build our house of spirituality. Religion to me was based off a lack of knowledge. I believe in god, and the language he speaks is math

01001011 01001001 01001100 01001100 00100000 01000001 01001100 01001100 00100000 01001000 01010101 01001101 01000001 01001110 01010011

Lol

And for the record...I make it a point to be very in the know with current events while still remaining fascinated with history. Especially what is considered antediluvian.

Post the death certificates from both your deaths. After you've done that, we can read your comments about what happened post-death with more appreciation.

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Yea!

a reply to: OOOOOO

"Hell is other people" - Satre.

I concur with 01001011 01001001 01001100 01001100 00100000 01000001 01001100 01001100 00100000 01001000 01010101 01001101 01000001 01001110 01010011

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: Jenisiz
I've died twice and saw something each time. I however do not believe in spirituality...I believe in science. It doesn't mean I don't believe in ghosts... there's just a scientific answer we've not yet explained. The sun rising was considered magic not to long ago. I'm sure the soul will follow the same fate. When answers begin to arise for what we once thought was a miracle, it replaces the bricks of fear and mysticism that we used to build our house of spirituality. Religion to me was based off a lack of knowledge. I believe in god, and the language he speaks is math

01001011 01001001 01001100 01001100 00100000 01000001 01001100 01001100 00100000 01001000 01010101 01001101 01000001 01001110 01010011

Lol

And for the record...I make it a point to be very in the know with current events while still remaining fascinated with history. Especially what is considered antediluvian.

Post the death certificates from both your deaths. After you've done that, we can read your comments about what happened post-death with more appreciation.

Must the member disclose their personal information, also - or can we just settle down and assume that sometimes what people say is truth?

a reply to: BasementWarriorKryptonite

No I won't because the 50 years I've been on this earth, I haven't seen any. I'm sure there is a rational explanation as to why you seen one. I can't tell you what it is but the brain is a wondrous thing.

a reply to: Tangerine

No, I based my answer on the facts given me. It's a fact I haven't seen anything supernatural. You have the burden of proof, not me.