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posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 01:26 PM
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The Church, and the Roman Catholic one in particular— and her prime subjects, the kings of Europe, have played out the greatest conspiracy of recorded history and they still keep their act up. Fear and damnation is the weapon, absolution is the lure and confession is the the main tool to gain intel and get complete control of the lesser subjects (works better than torture, even the Church learned that), you and me. Kings and priests at a certain level know that the Bible is a hoax. Most sensible people understand the hoax rather quickly after sifting through the book. If the Bible was a man, he would be extremely intelligent, a sociopath, violent, unpredictable, incapable of remorse and able to keep his audience in his grip; loving him, worshipping him, allowing him to do all kinds of evil explaining it as necessary evils and signs of his divinity.

In disguise of doing good deeds regularly, the church and her greater subjects hide their immense power behind a smiling "face of good". The Pope couldn't harm a fly? Well, not easily done these days, since his major subjects have all been relieved of much of their secular powers and can no longer target their critics as easily as they used to. These days regular people actually have rights, though quite fragile. The boys in charge still got their toys and they grow more advanced and effective by the day, counting more gold and stars and stripes, distinctions and regalia in their military galla than Sasha Cohen's Dictator. They have become depleted hatstands, with an order for every occasion, and of course, noone can ever pull them to court, they still own the law and can't even be fined for drunk-driving 100 MpH over the speed limit, or for that matter killing someone in cold blood. And there is a reason for this. It's called 'The Divine Rights of Kings'.

A 1000 years ago there were 1% clubs, just like today. They were called knights and orders, kings and their hirdsmen, or the Bishops and their chapters. The proto-king of Norway, 'Olafr ins Helga' AKA the Catholic saint St. Olav the Holy, was one such 1% daddy. He is credited for having brought Christianity to Norway (giving him his sainthood), but the fact that he forced his subjects to convert with the alternative being death, often slow and painful death— isn't communicated as freely and prominently. And when he and his hirdsmen were bored, they could sink down to torch villages and rape and pillage what and who were left. All in the name of Jesus or 'Kvitekrist' (White Christ) of course. And this story isn't unique. It is the rule with these 'divine kings'.

Now, the Divine Rights of Kings says that (according to Answers.com) "a king's right to rule his people is a right granted by God. This belief is probably as old as the idea of kingship and many monarchies around the world attributed their powerbase to the "fact" that they were the royal family because their god (whoever that may have been for their culture and time) ordained it." That's bad news all together and the source of the problem with war and terror up until the dawn of UN and international human rights charters and things like the Geneva Protocols. For the 'Divine Rights of Kings' wasn't really compatible with UN and the modern concept of International Law, and after WW1 it had become obvious to most that these kings were but cousins with air-forces and navies, able and willing to wage global war with their siblings and cousins over trifles and personal issues. After all Europe was the playground of a handful closely related dynasties, who inter-married and competed in decadence to the extreme.

Even though Germany had virtually no coastline, it developed one of the world's greatest navies before WW1. And they weren't alone, for England couldn't sit and watch, and neither could Russia or France, and they started a naval arms' race that even surpassed the Cold War Era. To the extent that "Bloody hell, Georgie boy, when can we play with all these new gun-ships? And we want to see how throwing bombs from planes affects people's morals!" Well, the shots in Sarajevo were the notch they needed and were all waiting for. For years the kings of Europe had been challenging each other with one technological breakthrough after the other being converted into military weapons.

And the Church? Well they naturally hid behind some "Kingdom of Heaven Diplomatic Neutrality". But without the Church, there wouldn't be European royalty, and war would only be sanctioned given there would be a sensible reason for it. The kings would have to play under the same laws and rulings, and be reduced to mere businessmen or politicians, and most of them would today have been charged with war crimes and corruption for what they did, and would be behind bars. Instead, the Great War ended, resulting in most of Europe's kings losing their sweaty grip on the bollocks of peace and prosperity, fair trade and neutral diplomacy (I know an oxymoron of sorts). After two World Wars people like you and me were fed up with the whole 'king and conquer' sandbox game, so we established the UN, but were unable to cap the power of the biggest daddies, USA and USSR, they weren't based on royalty, but still behaved the same. And as we know, that didn't turn out so well.

So where is the world heading these days? War again? Guess so. Kings or no kings, we never learn.




posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 01:37 PM
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a reply to: Utnapisjtim

The same bible you discredit is the same bible that predicts God will rise up Babylon in the last days and Babylon will rule the world. Babylon refers to Nimrods. Nimrod was a warrior who stood proud on top of the blood of his brothers that he just conquered, a man without remorse for taking human life.

It looks like Babylon is rulling the world, men without remorse. But the fall of Babylon is also predicted, to be replaced by truly enlightend leaders, men who do not justify murder and seek peace before war, using war only in defense of one's freedom.

Self defense is the only justification for murder, but even then one should feel remorse. The loss of life is always devastating, even in self defense. PTSD is real, win or loose. But Babylon feels justified in their murders with no remorse.

Men who follow the path of the enlightened one's, whos paths always lead to love and eternal life. The enlightened will rise in the age of Christ.

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posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 01:45 PM
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Well said man. I've been saying that the bible is a farce for a while now. Way to connect it to the power games of Europe. I've always known in the back of my mind the connection, but seeing you write it down and display it here really helps hit it home.



posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 01:47 PM
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a reply to: sacgamer25

Question. What does a prediction mean in the face of history?

I mean so the bible makes a prediction or two, how is that evidence against the existing history that paints a COMPLETELY different picture than what the bible claims to say and preach?



posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 01:50 PM
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originally posted by: sacgamer25
a reply to: Utnapisjtim

The same bible you discredit is the same bible that predicts God will rise up Babylon in the last days and Babylon will rule the world. Babylon refers to Nimrods. Nimrod was a warrior who stood proud on top of the blood of his brothers that he just conquered, a man without remorse for taking human life.


And that's a good thing you think?


It looks like Babylon is rulling the world, men without remorse. But the fall of Babylon is also predicted, to be replaced by truly enlightend leaders, men who do not,justify murder and seek peace before war, using war only in defense of one's freedom.


Yeah, blame it on Babylon. Babylon is the Catholic Church and her lover is the Beast-- Royalty, from the Christian kings of Europe to the Islamic caliphate of ISIL. They all rule in protection of 'The Divine Rights of Kings'.


Men who follow the path of the enlightened one's, whos paths always lead to love and eternal life. The enlightened will rise in the age of Christ.


Nah. The first will be the last and the last will be the first. Power to the people, democracy and secular rule in the light of science and justice. We're getting there.



posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 01:51 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

What does the bible teach that is contradictory to scientifically proven history? I find no contradictions between the bible and history myself.



posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 01:55 PM
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a reply to: Utnapisjtim

The first was Abraham, enlightened apart from the law. The last will be like Abraham, enlightened by faith and not law. The last are not declared by law or birthright.

Moses was not first, the Jews/Laws are predated by faith, the faith of Abraham, the same faith in me.

Birthright was cancelled on the cross, it is meaningless.

Babylon is God's creation, I am God's creation, God will be the judge of good and bad, I am not a judge.


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posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 01:57 PM
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originally posted by: sacgamer25
scientifically proven history?


Can you please explain what scientifically proven history is? I fail to see the connection between math and history, that's all. How can history be proven in the first place? Napoleon Bonaparte once said something along the lines of... "History is the sum of lies we have agreed upon". Get a USSR history book and compare it to a 50's US one. Or how about Kim Die Young of North Korea? How's his history lesson you think? Oh yeah, he invented table tennis, TV and discoverd a unicorn's den.
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posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 02:00 PM
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a reply to: sacgamer25

Nimrod? Try Adonis and his loving mother, a much better allegory. The bible's version is so twisted it isn't even funny. God wants to compare his people to stones and ours to bricks. His people aren't rugged individuals, they are empty husks that have been drained of all of their independence and individuality. Their uniqueness is merely a mask they wear to prevent free beings from immediately recognizing how slavish they have truly become.

Our tower to the heavens is a personal tower built inside the heart of every lover of the light. The bricks we build it with are tools manifested from the purification of aspects of our own personality in a refinement by unimaginable fire. Only the bravest dare to tread through all of the sociopathic tests that the Lord of this realm imposes upon us in order to begin to wield our own creative powers into this reality.

The only mound of corpses I see on this planet are created by the pyramidal organizations created by the mystics who rule your monotheistic nightmares. The great worm will turn to devour you in time and when he does you will realize too late that you have sided with the only pure evil in this cosmos.



posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 02:00 PM
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originally posted by: sacgamer25
a reply to: Krazysh0t

What does the bible teach that is contradictory to scientifically proven history? I find no contradictions between the bible and history myself.



Then you study neither science nor history correctly.



posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 02:02 PM
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a reply to: Utnapisjtim

Im talking about debating origins and floods. Science cannot disprove Creation or Noahs flood. But after Exodus the bible is considered quite accurate, historically plausible, based on archeological evidence.

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posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 02:07 PM
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originally posted by: sacgamer25
a reply to: Utnapisjtim

Im talking about debating origins and floods. Science cannot disprove Creation or Noahs flood. But after Exodus the bible is considered quite accurate historically plausible, based on archeological evidence.


The Flood was a conspiracy divine kings Anu and Ellil waged on their primordial humans. Proving conspiracies involving world powers 5000 years ago ain't a simple task I tell you. But we're getting there. Angels fall by the minions for every new clay tablet unearthed.
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posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 02:10 PM
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originally posted by: sacgamer25
a reply to: Utnapisjtim

Im talking about debating origins and floods. Science cannot disprove Creation or Noahs flood.


Yes it can and it has. There is no record in the geologic record of a global flood. Other sciences have calculated the impossibility of the flood as well (not enough water on the planet and the dimensions of the ark in the bible create a boat that is unable to stay together in water). Creation is also disproven since humanity couldn't populate the earth from two individuals. We would have died out due to inbreeding LONG ago if that were the case.


But after Exodus the bible is considered quite accurate historically plausible, based on archeological evidence.


Even the exodus has been disproven. It is impossible for millions of people to wander the desert for 40 years and not leave evidence of their travels. Heck I could have just left off "and leave evidence of their travels" since the amount of food required alone would be impossible to fulfill.



posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 02:32 PM
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a reply to: Nechash

Enlightened one's who can't see that others need a Shepard aren't paying enough attention.

Their are as many paths as their are people when it comes to spiritual enlightenment. But for many book enlightenment must come first. By logic it is clear that enlightenment is found in the search for the knowledge of the light.

What makes more since, the enlightened who were prophets spoke against the light, or that any teaching that stands against the light must be a mistake in interpretation? Clearly if the enlightened are misunderstood, the true meaning of words may die.

The enlightened tend to protect the work of the one's who were enlightened before them. Especially the work of the sages/prophets who wrote poetry. The poetry of the sages was memorized both in mind and scroll so they could not be corrupted.

Even the unenlightened tend to believe that ancient scrolls have power. Imagine what might be found at the Vatican? How many enlightened ones were silenced? I guess at least 144,000 martyrs sounds about right.

People judge the enlightened word's of the prophets, based on man's unenlightened interpretations, not unenlightened words. Esoteric Metaphors are easily misunderstood, many have absolutely no clue about the light, even though all the prophets speak of the same light within.

It's all an issue of interpretation, the words of the sages/prophets don't appeared altered to me.



posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 02:33 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

After the Last Ice Age ended (and during the ending process), sea-level rose by more than 120 meters in a few thousand years. This lead to massive floods all over the world, and the Black and Caspian Seas were turned from valleys into seas in mere days. When Bosporos broke around the time the Flood is supposed to have happened this could easily have been recorded as a cataclysmic event that reshaped Mesopotamia and the ME in general. And there is plenty of proof Mesopotamia saw several massive floods that has basically buried the whole area in stacks of silt. Remember that Global wasn't really in Ut-Noah-Pishtim's dictionary. The World as such was the known world to these people and it wasn't very impressive.

As for Adam and Eve being the only humans, bollocks. Cain went east of Eden and met people there in the Indus Valley, where he built the world's first city, Hanokh. Now who would populate Hanokh if he was alone (he had killed his brother and left his parents), and who would he marry? Adam was the proto-Caucasian man. The first modern European. A hybrid between an African and a Neanderthal. Genetics shows us the history record. Bible is quite accurate.

40 years in Semitic languages means "a long time". Israel lived as nomads for a long time. Beduins don't seem to have problems herding enough animals and such to feed millions even today, living mostly in the desert. And they're quite good at leaving no trace.

So it's all down to semantics and how you choose to interpret the stories really. But you are right. No global flood. No Adam and Eve populating the world. No lit. 40 years in the desert. BTW. You can cross the Sinai desert in a couple of weeks.
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posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 02:47 PM
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originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: Krazysh0t

After the Last Ice Age ended (and during the ending process), sea-level rose by more than 120 meters in 12000 years. This lead to massive floods all over the world, and the Black and Caspian Seas were turned from valleys into seas in mere days. When Bosporos broke around the time the Flood is supposed to have happened this could easily have been recorded as a cataclysmic event that reshaped Mesopotamia and the ME in general. And there is plenty of proof Mesopotamia saw several massive floods that has basically buried the whole area in stacks of silt. Remember that Global wasn't really in Ut-Noah-Pishtim's dictionary. The World as such was the known world to these people and it wasn't very impressive.


Oh, I'm all of the opinion that the "global" flood was really just a larger than normal local flood. Albeit much larger. And Noah probably just saved his family and his own personal livestock (maybe he even took two of each of his livestock so that he could repopulate his livelihood after the flood ended).


As for Adam and Eve being the only humans, bollocks. Cain went east of Eden and met people there in the Indus Valley, where he built the world's first city, Hanokh. Now who would populate Hanokh if he was alone (he had killed his brother and left his parents), and who would he marry? Adam was the proto-Caucasian man. The first modern European. A hybrid between an African and a Neanderthal. Genetics shows us the history record. Bible is quite accurate.


You do realize that y-chromosomal adam is just the oldest person that we can trace the y chromosome back to correct? That doesn't mean that other people didn't live at the same time as him or that there weren't any other proto-Caucasian man (though that term makes little sense since adam wasn't from the Caucus mountains anyways).


40 years in Semitic languages means "a long time". Israel lived as nomads for a long time. Beduins don't seem to have problems herding enough animals and such to feed millions even today, living mostly in the desert. And they're quite good at leaving no trace.


Regardless, the bible claims that there are thousands if not millions of people traveling. If we disregard that there is zero evidence that a large group of Hebrew slaves left Egypt to travel the desert (heck there is mounting evidence to suggest that the Hebrews were never slaves in Egypt to begin with), a pack of millions of people would be IMPOSSIBLE to organize and lead anywhere, let alone through a harsh and unforgiving environment like a desert.

Though there is a possibility that Moses very well have migrated from Egypt with his family and friends (or his tribe of less than 100 people) to be nomads in the desert for a time before settling in Canaan and the whole tale was just embellished and exaggerated over the years. Hebrew lore at the time WAS passed down orally so that isn't such a far fetched idea.


So it's all down to semantics and how you choose to interpret the stories really. But you are right. No global flood. No Adam and Eve populating the world. No lit. 40 years in the desert. BTW. You can cross the Sinai desert in a couple of weeks.


I'm sure there are some grains of truth in the stories of the bible, but it is so hard to pick out fact from fiction (since the fiction is pretty much everywhere) that it is best to just say that the bible is false.
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posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 02:53 PM
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The glacial periods seem like a great way to utilize the phenomenon of population bottlenecks and the founder's effect to their optimum potentiality. By wiping out vast sections of species and then opening up vast new expanses for colonization repeatedly, you are constantly generating waves of innovation and proliferation which leads to a more rapid advancement of species. I don't think the flood was a sudden penalty, but a recurrent phenomenon that we just happened to be caught up in. If any engineering species intervened in this planet to guide our evolution, that probably began at least as far back as 2.5 million years ago. It could have also happened naturally via the mechanism described by the Milankovitch cycles if somehow our orbit was shifted from what it was previously to some sudden event.



posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 03:04 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: Krazysh0t

After the Last Ice Age ended (and during the ending process), sea-level rose by more than 120 meters in 12000 years. This lead to massive floods all over the world, and the Black and Caspian Seas were turned from valleys into seas in mere days. When Bosporos broke around the time the Flood is supposed to have happened this could easily have been recorded as a cataclysmic event that reshaped Mesopotamia and the ME in general. And there is plenty of proof Mesopotamia saw several massive floods that has basically buried the whole area in stacks of silt. Remember that Global wasn't really in Ut-Noah-Pishtim's dictionary. The World as such was the known world to these people and it wasn't very impressive.


Oh, I'm all of the opinion that the "global" flood was really just a larger than normal local flood. Albeit much larger. And Noah probably just saved his family and his own personal livestock (maybe he even took two of each of his livestock so that he could repopulate his livelihood after the flood ended).


Agreed.



As for Adam and Eve being the only humans, bollocks. Cain went east of Eden and met people there in the Indus Valley, where he built the world's first city, Hanokh. Now who would populate Hanokh if he was alone (he had killed his brother and left his parents), and who would he marry? Adam was the proto-Caucasian man. The first modern European. A hybrid between an African and a Neanderthal. Genetics shows us the history record. Bible is quite accurate.


You do realize that y-chromosomal adam is just the oldest person that we can trace the y chromosome back to correct? That doesn't mean that other people didn't live at the same time as him or that there weren't any other proto-Caucasian man (though that term makes little sense since adam wasn't from the Caucus mountains anyways).


Adam made his baby steps where Euphrates and Tigris have their sources. Caucasus. Or nearby anyway. About 6000 years ago. Y-chromosomal Adam is just a bottle neck and far older. Ask a Hasidim who Adam was and what he looked like. He would most likely tell you that Adam was the first white Homo Sapiens Sapiens. Until about 6000 years ago the only white folks around were Neanderthals. Homo Sapiens as such was and is black.



40 years in Semitic languages means "a long time". Israel lived as nomads for a long time. Beduins don't seem to have problems herding enough animals and such to feed millions even today, living mostly in the desert. And they're quite good at leaving no trace.


Regardless, the bible claims that there are thousands if not millions of people traveling. If we disregard that there is zero evidence that a large group of Hebrew slaves left Egypt to travel the desert (heck there is mounting evidence to suggest that the Hebrews were never slaves in Egypt to begin with), a pack of millions of people would be IMPOSSIBLE to organize and lead anywhere, let alone through a harsh and unforgiving environment like a desert.


The Bible accounts for about 500 000 joining Moses, however, they used base-6 counting, so 10 means 6. 500 000 then becomes 300 000. And there's more, for they also seem to have counted ancestors, so let's say about 100 000 people with men and mice left Egypt during the annual flooding of the Nile which back then happened exactly during Passover, when accounting for axis mundi precession.


Though there is a possibility that Moses very well have migrated from Egypt with his family and friends (or his tribe of less than 100 people) to be nomads in the desert for a time before settling in Canaan and the whole tale was just embellished and exaggerated over the years. Hebrew lore at the time WAS passed down orally so that isn't such a far fetched idea.


Look at how ISIL has driven hundreds of thousands of Christians into the deserts during the last couple of months. Numbers are really irrelevant. They had plenty of gold and they conquered as they progressed. Not land, but water and lifestock.



So it's all down to semantics and how you choose to interpret the stories really. But you are right. No global flood. No Adam and Eve populating the world. No lit. 40 years in the desert. BTW. You can cross the Sinai desert in a couple of weeks.


I'm sure there are some grains of truth in the stories of the bible, but it is so hard to pick out fact from fiction (since the fiction is pretty much everywhere) that it is best to just say that the bible is false.


Not that hard. You just need an open mind and know the language and culture. The texts in modern Christian bibles tells us God created Heaven and Earth. The Hebrew text simply says 'TPTB created the Zodiac and the Land'. But that didn't fit in with Church agenda.
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posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 03:13 PM
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originally posted by: Nechash
If any engineering species intervened in this planet to guide our evolution, that probably began at least as far back as 2.5 million years ago.


Well, in Gabon in West Africa we found massive depleted uranium depots dating back to what must have been nuclear fission reactors that were active exactly when the ozone layer was created and sea life migrated ashore. And when was this? About 1 billion years ago. The ozone layer is one of the greatest proofs in my pinion, of active terra-forming here on Earth. It needs plenty of energy to be formed, and I believe that energy came from "The Powers" or "The Elohim" in Hebrew.
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posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 03:22 PM
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I don't know enough on that subject to speculate, but guided evolution from the dawn of this physical universe wouldn't surprise me. To an immortal extradimensional race of being, time and material costliness is meaningless.



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