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What Putin has achieved till now

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posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 09:23 AM
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a reply to: SLAYER69

Are you European or US ?

I`m asking because in The Netherlands you learned with economic lessons at school (25 years ago), EU/US were deliberately keeping other countries poor to stay in power. I personally have never liked that.

So I wonder if it was the same with you where ever you live(d) while you were at school ?




posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 09:24 AM
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a reply to: maghun

One final question: If "The Saker," your source, thinks Putin's Russia is so wonderful, why did he move to Florida? And why hasn't he moved back?



posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 09:25 AM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien


I`m asking because in The Netherlands you learned with economic lessons at school (25 years ago), EU/US were deliberately keeping other countries poor to stay in power. I personally have never liked that.


What sort of school did you go to?



posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 09:27 AM
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a reply to: maghun

Why do you keep throwing Oligarchy around as if it's going to change anyone's opinion of Putin?

Oligarchy

(from Greek ὀλιγαρχία (oligarkhía); from ὀλίγος (olígos), meaning "few", and ἄρχω (arkho), meaning "to rule or to command") is a form of power structure in which power effectively rests with a small number of people. These people could be distinguished by royalty, wealth, family ties, education, corporate, religious or military control



It pretty much describes Putin and his former Communist cronies in the Kremlin and their approach on how they run Russia.

So in essence, Russia would like to throw off one supposed form of Oligarchy for another but this one in lockstep with Putin and his band of merrymakers.



posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 09:29 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: BornAgainAlien


I`m asking because in The Netherlands you learned with economic lessons at school (25 years ago), EU/US were deliberately keeping other countries poor to stay in power. I personally have never liked that.


What sort of school did you go to?



What you call high school, the material is standardized in all of The Netherlands.



posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 09:40 AM
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a reply to: SLAYER69


The big difference is that while in Kiev a regime controlled by the oligarchs has been replaced by a regime of oligarchs, in Russia the oligarchy can only influence, but not control, the Kremlin. The examples, of Khodorkovsky or Evtushenkov show that the Kremlin still can, and does, smack down an oligarch when needed.


As I see this is the real situation in Russia. Ask Khodorkovsky about it...


Russia would like to throw off one supposed form of Oligarchy for another


Ukraine again? Putin had enough problems with the "old one", but the new is a CIA agent.

Wikileak Cables: Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in Washington's Pocket Since 2006




posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 09:43 AM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

So, I'm assuming that your learning stopped when you finished school?

Did you trust everything you were being taught?

I questioned and argued with my teachers to the point of once being sent to the schools counselor for being disruptive when I called him out for his spewing of archaic Mccarthyistic propaganda.

After making my case to the counselor and Vice Principle about the incident I got switched to another class for the rest of the year. He on the other hand retired shortly there after. Voluntarily?

Who knows.



posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 09:50 AM
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a reply to: DJW001

Ask him about it.

What about Putin? Can you refute any point from Shaker's list?



posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 09:53 AM
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a reply to: SLAYER69

No, it was about when you were learned that stuff.

That was one of the things which made me question seriously about things. It was together with The West not willing to prevent the Yugoslavian wars and the run up to the first Gulf War. All were about at the same time which made me realize about what was going on. I was a teenager back then.
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posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 09:55 AM
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SLAYER69
"Russia would like to throw off one supposed form of Oligarchy for another"


maghun

Ukraine again?



No, Putin and Russia.

Stay on topic.



posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 10:57 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: HUMBLEONE

When the fifteenth word in an OP is "Anglo-Zionist," MOSSAD intervention is unnecessary. The rabid anti-Semitism speaks for itself.



You are not anti-semitist automatically even if you are anti Zionist. Zionists do not equal Jews even if Zionists try to make us believe it so.



The real Jews around the word that really follow the faith are better than the Zionist crap.




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posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 11:07 AM
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Kinda hard to take the site serious when it clearly is a Pro-Russian site, Visit the site and you'll clearly see the Pro-Russian love party.



posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 11:19 AM
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originally posted by: Ancient Champion
Kinda hard to take the site serious when it clearly is a Pro-Russian site, Visit the site and you'll clearly see the Pro-Russian love party.


What`s your definition of a pro-Russian if I may ask ?

There are some who think if you`re against EU/US world politics you qualify automatically as a pro-Russian. And if that`s your definition also, it`s no surprise to find that on a site which has more information on what the West is up to than an ordinary site.



posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 12:09 PM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

The Jewish people lost 6 million or so people in the holocaust. The Soviets lost something like 20 or 30 million fighting Hitler. Propaganda is so good almost every American thinks we stopped Hitler. Bull#. We did most of our fighting in the pacific against Hirohito who was a real threat to us (many Americans actually liked Hitler) and after WW2 we used our massive economic advantage gained to make Japan and Germany our most loyal puppets.

Russia isn't some amazing shining beacon of civilization but then again they were never allowed to join the West and not for lack of trying. What's America's excuse?

We had the power to change the face of the planet like no nation in all of history but we used this massive power (which we gained by not getting involved in WW2 til the last possible second un like Asian and European who all suffered the loss of a generation) to try to set ourselves up as the Lords of Earth. We became history's greatest parasites and have caused more suffering since WW2 than the Soviets ever dreamed of. Every ideal we promoted with one hand we destroyed with the other behind our back.

America itself is the best evidence. Ask yourself, is the America we see today what the founders envisioned? I'll give you a hint since no one seems to know anything about history in modern times. All the concerns for the future raised by our founding fathers (who did set up the best framework for society and government in human history) have come true since the Constitution is amazing but people are fallible.

Some of these forces were set in motion by the founding fathers themselves but were generally kept in balance. Over time the ideals of Alexander Hamilton seem to have won out over Jefferson's (Jefferson was a champion of the people, Hamilton a champion of the elite). The loose interpretation of the constitution is the norm. The central bank system in alliance with private banks have stifled capitalism. States rights are almost completely nonexistent now in favor of ever larger federal control. Seperation of church and state is laughable nowadays. Civic participation is at an all time low. Free press is nonexistent. I could go on but just read the wiki article I linked. You don't even need to look hard to see it. Just read Jefferson's ideals and tell me he wasn't exactly correct.

Hamiltonians have won completely and we're all seeing the effects of that today.

en.m.wikipedia.org...



posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 12:38 PM
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My government (The Netherlands) are America`s lap dog, we don`t matter because we are too small when push comes to shuffle, but are sure good for propaganda when needed.

That`s why Dutch politicians are getting lots of high posts at NATO, EU, etc...because they sure know how to be suck ups, it`s disgusting.

In 2013 when US wanted to attack Syria, France beat us to it, but we were second to show support for attacking, even before UK could speak out of possible support.

It seems The West thinks they need to keep controlling The World...but it`s actual just a small group of sociopaths who need it to stay powerful...if they were removed, The World could actual be blooming and all the crap would end.

But as long as not enough people are realizing that, it won`t change and we have to deal with the crap.



posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 12:57 PM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

All you have to do is visit the site and you'll see what i mean.

Another thing i'm wondering is what does this thread have to do with WW3?



posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 01:18 PM
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originally posted by: Ancient Champion
a reply to: BornAgainAlien

All you have to do is visit the site and you'll see what i mean.

Another thing i'm wondering is what does this thread have to do with WW3?


It`s actual the same everywhere when looking at other European comment sections, and that has to do with Western World politics. I have seen similar complaints being made not only here.

Here`s your answer to why :


It`s simply people being fed up with US/EU World politics.



posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 01:31 PM
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a reply to: Ancient Champion

It has to do with WW3, just like Syria, Libya, Ukraine, etc...it`s all part of the war about World domination between EU/US and Russia/China.

To be a bit more clear regarding my last post :

When a lot of people know what The West is doing and they are disgusted by it but feel powerless to do something against it and than there is someone (Putin) who says faq you...
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posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 01:53 PM
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What about Putin? Can you refute any point from Shaker's list?


And away we go:


- broken the back of the AngloZionist-backed oligarchy in Russia.


Just like Hitler broke the back of the British war mongers and their Jewish masters. To give Putin his due, he is not anti-Semitic; in fact, he sees Russian Jews as a vital part of the Russian tapestry. Unfortunately, many of his admirers are little better than Nazis who have scratched out "Germany" and written "Russia" in in crayon.



- achieved a truly miraculous success in Chechnia (one which nobody, prophets included, had foreseen).


Setting aside the biblical tone, the "miracle involved the wanton destruction of 160,000 lives, using tactics that his supporters are now condemning Kyiv for using.


- literally resurrected the Russian economy.


Yes, Putin single handedly drilled every single oil and gas well. He knew where to put them because he put the gas there personally on the second day of Creation.

On a more serious note, Putin did not single handedly repair the Russian economy, either. It was in such bad shape after the free for all when communism collapsed that almost anything would have been an improvement. As it was, he organized the oligarchs like a criminal syndicate. Once everyone knew their place, the turf wars ended and Putin could get them working together for Mother Russia. By appearing to play by the rules, Putin encouraged "Western" investment in Russia, making its extractive economy possible.



- rebuilt the Russian military, security and intelligences forces.


Fair enough.



- severely disrupted the ability of foreign NGOs to subvert Russia.


You mean he clamped down on organizations that promulgated dangerous ideas like the rule of law, civil rights and representative government.



- done more for the de-dollarization of the planet than anybody before.


You say that as though it were self evidently a good thing.


- made Russia the clear leader of both BRICS and SCO.


Simply wrong. China is already the second largest economy in the world. Also, China has more influence over the United States than Russia has. Without China, the BRICs are nothing.


- openly challenged the informational monopoly of the western propaganda machine (with projects like RussiaToday).


In other words, he has expanded Russia's traditional propaganda capacities rather than find a way to project "soft power."


- stopped an imminent US/NATO strike on Syria by sending in a Russian Navy Expeditionary Force (which gave Syria a full radar coverage of the entire region).


What makes you think that there was going to be a US/NATO strike on Syria? Obama being weak does not mean that Putin is s
trong.

- made it possible for Assad to prevail in the Syrian civil war.


Do you ever actually watch the news?


- openly rejected the Western “universal civilizational model” and declared his support for another, a religion and tradition based one.


Sadly true. He has rejected the Westphalian system and Enlightenment values for superstitious medieval totalitarianism.


- openly rejected a unipolar “New World Order” lead by the AngloZionists and declared his support for a multi-polar world order.


No. He is attempting to make Russia into a Great Power again, by hook or by crook.


- supported Assange (through RussiaToday) and protected Snowden


And heaven help them if they expose Russian malfeasance the way they did American.


- created and promoted a new alliance model between Christianity and Islam thus undermining the “clash of civilization” paradigm.


This is simply delusional. If the responsible actors in the Levant cannot bring the House of Islam into order, we will see Russian heads on poles across Central Asia.

- booted the AngloZionists out of key locations in the Caucasus (Chechnia, Ossetia).
- booted the AngloZionists out of key locations in Central Asia (Manas base in Kyrgyzstan)


It is easy to boot imaginary enemies out of real places.


- gave Russia the means to defend her interest in the Arctic region, including military means.


Translation: He intends to violate centuries old agreements about the use of the sea, by force of arms.


- established a full-spectrum strategic alliance with China which is at the core of both SCO and BRICS.


Translation: Xi has made Putin his b----.


- is currently passing laws barring foreign interests from controlling the Russian media.


He is clamping down on free speech.


-gave Iran the means to develop a much needed civilian nuclear program.


And helped it become what is called in arms control circles a "rapid transition state."


- is working with China to create a financial system fully separated form the current AngloZionist controlled one (including trade in Rubles or Renminbi).


You mean China is stringing him along. They will never take payment in Rubles, but if Russia wants to start paying tribute in gold....



- re-establised Russian political and economic support for Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador, Brazil, Nicaragua and Argentina.


And we all know how great those economies are doing.


- very effectively deflated the pro-US color-coded revolution in Russia.


That existed only in his mind and those of his followers.



- organized the “Voentorg” which armed the NAF.


Sh! Don't let BornAgainAlien hear that! He fervently believes that Russia isn't arming anyone.


- gave refuge to hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian refugees.


What was his optionthere?


- sent in vitally needed humanitarian aid to Novorussia.


Among other things.


- provided direct Russian fire support and possibly even air cover to NAF in key locations (the “southern cauldron” for example).


Stop saying that! You're exposing Putin's lies!


- last but not least, he openly spoke of the need for Russia to “sovereignize” herself and to prevail over the pro-US 5th column.


You mean, like anyone who opposes Putin becoming President For Life?



posted on Oct, 1 2014 @ 02:19 PM
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Lusitania


Do you know what happened with the Lusitania, because I have a feeling you don't?

The Lusitania was sunk by a German U-boat, but if you know something different I would love to hear it.



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