CDC mobilizing: Dallas Hospital confirms First Positive Ebola Case in the US

a reply to: thesmokingman
Neither of you are wrong. Yes, it is only transmittable via bodily fluid. But the Ebola virus can survive outside of the body for a period of time. Why do you think hand washing is necessary for preventing spread? Because Ebola can survive outside of the body for variable amounts of time. If a person spat on the ground and someone walking by licked it up, they've got a good chance of being infected.

Will somebody just hold me and tell me everything is going to be ok?

I am just looking for some sort of good case scenario, but all I see is DOOM! Everyone I talk to about this has that, "it won't happen here" attitude. Maybe this will wake people up.

Off to stockpile my canned goods now....

originally posted by: Patriotsrevenge

originally posted by: wills120
So what scares me so much about Ebola is how quickly it's evolving. Normally it destroys itself by being so deadly with low incubation periods. Now the virus is hyper-evolving - I fully expect it to be airborne by this point.

BTW, Patient Zero in Dallas wasn't forced into the hospital, he WALKED in.....he's already infected many people by now.

You are spot on and FEMA protocol normally says to shut that mother down, lock down the city so it can not get out.

That is what they should do. Screw one city to save the country, yep that is the only solution that makes any sense. It will spread like wild fire now.

Yet they left the borders wide open to these countries in Africa so this is done intentional. Canada already said it will survive for day just about anywhere. They normally burn the whole dam village down in Africa to stop Ebola.

It is time to panic, Get to your bug out locations NOW OR VERY SOON before you have a chance to be infected because you know our evil government will spray us with this crap if they can. You all know the Government people who are in the loop have been inoculated against this since the doctors were cured.

Unfortunately the only way they could do it would be by locking down the entire country for about three or four weeks. No interstate travel, maybe even within the cities.

a reply to: LeviWardrobe

and...

SURVIVAL OUTSIDE HOST: The virus can survive in liquid or dried material for a number of days (23). Infectivity is found to be stable at room temperature or at 4°C for several days, and indefinitely stable at -70°C (6, 20). Infectivity can be preserved by lyophilisation.

www.msdsonline.com...

Anything this man touched could be contaminated. In the emergency room at the hospital for example. If we was sweating from the fever, and touched a chair or counter, that is infected. Anything in the home where he was staying could be infected. If he sneezed on a bus, or touched a counter at a restaurant, or touched a faucet in a public restroom. etc. etc.

I hope the next few weeks will be uneventful, but it does not look very good.

originally posted by: LeviWardrobe
a reply to: thesmokingman
Neither of you are wrong. Yes, it is only transmittable via bodily fluid. But the Ebola virus can survive outside of the body for a period of time. Why do you think hand washing is necessary for preventing spread? Because Ebola can survive outside of the body for variable amounts of time. If a person spat on the ground and someone walking by licked it up, they've got a good chance of being infected.

Phew! Good thing my spit licking up days are looong behind me. Thank you for the mediation and the clarification by the way.

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

Just in time for flu season which had similar symptoms of fever body aches etc

How many people will try to fight this thinking it's like the flu and not seeking proper treatment exposing others

Or will the healthcare "system" (as dysfunctional as it is) be overwhelmed by people rushing to the doctor for the most minor of symptoms?

Your going to be dealing with Ebola in the USA as a permanent presence now unless by some miracle no one else around this guy was infected and... it wont be the last.

The real problem will be animal host vectors.

One person mentioned mosquito's which is a real possibility, the viruses natural host is a fruit bat it seems, plenty of bats in Texas and i'd make a guess that Rats and Mice and other Rodents could carry at as well, so this mans "spit" doesn't need to be licked by a person, it needs to be licked by a mouse, maybe a dirty dish, a tissue, do cats and dogs spread it... ?

Doesn't matter if it enters an Animal host Ebola will then be "Native" to North America

a reply to: thesmokingman
Haha. No worries.

Here's the info I drudged up.

Filoviruses have been reported capable to survive for weeks in blood and can also survive on contaminated surfaces, particularly at low temperatures (4°C). One study could not recover any Ebolavirus from experimentally contaminated surfaces (plastic, metal or glass) at room temperature. In another study, Ebolavirus dried onto glass, polymeric silicone rubber, or painted aluminum alloy is able to survive in the dark for several hours under ambient conditions (between 20 and 25C and 30–40% relative humidity) (amount of virus reduced to 37% after 15.4 hours), but is less stable than some other viral hemorrhagic fevers (Lassa). When dried in tissue culture media onto glass and stored at 4C, Zaire ebolavirus survived for over 50 days. This information is based on experimental findings only and not based on observations in nature. This information is intended to be used to support local risk assessments in a laboratory setting.

originally posted by: thesmokingman

originally posted by: Patriotsrevenge
a reply to: thesmokingman

Wrong!! You need to see what Canada's CDC type agency says about that. It can live on simple everyday hard surfaces for days. This is a very resilient strain and that is why it has spread so bad. Probably a Bio weapon but im no Microbiologist.

Ever wonder about the Mosquitoes carrying this dam thing around the country? They carry enough viruses and plagues already.

Wrong? I provided my link, did you?

Can you not look for yourself?

SURVIVAL OUTSIDE HOST: Filoviruses have been reported capable to survive for weeks in blood and can also survive on contaminated surfaces, particularly at low temperatures (4°C) Footnote 52 Footnote 61. One study could not recover any Ebolavirus from experimentally contaminated surfaces (plastic, metal or glass) at room temperature Footnote 61. In another study, Ebolavirus dried onto glass, polymeric silicone rubber, or painted aluminum alloy is able to survive in the dark for several hours under ambient conditions (between 20 and 250C and 30–40% relative humidity) (amount of virus reduced to 37% after 15.4 hours), but is less stable than some other viral hemorrhagic fevers (Lassa) Footnote 53. When dried in tissue culture media onto glass and stored at 4 °C, Zaire ebolavirus survived for over 50 days Footnote 61. This information is based on experimental findings only and not based on observations in nature. This information is intended to be used to support local risk assessments in a laboratory setting. A study on transmission of ebolavirus from fomites in an isolation ward concludes that the risk of transmission is low when recommended infection control guidelines for viral hemorrhagic fevers are followed Footnote 64. Infection control protocols included decontamination of floors with 0.5% bleach daily and decontamination of visibly contaminated surfaces with 0.05% bleach as necessary.

www.phac-aspc.gc.ca...

Are you willing to bet your life on it?

a reply to: Doodle19815

Good case scenario is it is only one case so they have a good chance of containment.

Once you get multiple people entering a month is when containment will most likely break down.

a reply to: Olivine

I believe that is what happens much of the time.

Anecdotal: My sister is internal medicine doctor and anytime a news show would run a story on an illness they get double the patients coming in because a bunch of people would decide they had the illness they saw on the show. (I think I have: flesh eating virus, MRSA, VRSA, etc...)

Maybe this is part of a plan? In 2006 a University of Texas Professor gave a big speech to an audience of Scientist and other academics talking about the positives of an airborne Ebola outbreak culling 90% of the Worlds Population. He got a standing ovation. Sick piece of crap that he is.



Here the link to what i'm talking abouta reply to: thesmokingman

a reply to: Royal76

I would love to have seen the list of the 100s that turned up to that speech.

If a report about a second Ebola infected person from the Texas area breaks out, or anyone from that flight, then we should worry.

a reply to: Elton

Yeah theirs a lot of hypocondria. I'm a partial case, im not stupid enough to go bug a doctor. I am smart enough to stop watching doctor shows, tv shows about doctors, etc. Mine started when i got injured, then took the prescribed pills, only for those to cause more stuff through side effects that made everything worse. I'm a lot better now though. But when you continually get sick, hurt, weird stuff for a time period you start to get really paranoid for a bit. The loss of control over stuff can really freak you out. But i bet a lot of what your sisters see are sick people who just made themselves believe its has to be happening to them.

a reply to: joho99

Yeah me too, i guess i should probably search around and see if i can find something. I will let you know and post it here if i do though.

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

I think it should be expected.
If you take Nigeria as a example then if it starts getting above 22 then it would be a concern and over 100 then they are missing something.

a reply to: Patriotsrevenge

First of all, check the attitude at the door please. Second, I have no desire to go look for myself, because I already did, and provided my link. You come on here all robin chested and snarky, say that I am wrong, and fail to provide your OWN source. Tell you what, you want to have a big boy conversation, I am all for it. You want to come here to start an argument, you can leave anytime you wish.
On topic: Well, I guess its the CDC from the US, against the CDC from Canada right?

You know... I'm starting to think the CDC is retarded and we are all focused on the absolute wrong danger of transmission because of them.

NYC has 10 Rats for every human being, if the vector becomes a rodent, someone dies in an apartment for example... lets forget how long it survives on any surface in the body it will last a day right... and a rodent takes a bite...

Your talking about a literal return to the Black Death and historically rodents have been the main vector aside from flu (which they didn't Not have an impact on) in almost every major mass population via disease.

One Rat... 48 hrs of running around the subway with open sores during the cold weather months, that's what I figure this needs to be a pseudo doomsday moment in America.

All anyone is talking about is how "human to human" transmission is difficult, so was Bubonic Plauge....

This could turn out to be the first real doom porn ever posted on ats

Well, if it does spread we can do nothing about it. All we can do is live while we can, there's a Florence and the Machine song, Never let Me Go and the lyrics are striking,
And it's over
And I'm going under
But I'm not giving up
I'm just giving in
All we can do is give in.
I'm tired of worrying about things I can't control, I'm just going to let go and let god