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CDC mobilizing: Dallas Hospital confirms First Positive Ebola Case in the US

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posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 10:57 AM
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What rights do we, as parents have to keep our children home when we feel the situation is too close to home? When I walked my kids to school this morning I asked the principal about this. She said that as far as she knows nothing has changed or been said. Kids are allowed to miss 3 schools days during the school year with no excuse from the doctor. After that, the truancy officers will be notified. They are pretty harsh in this area about truancy. They have been known to put parents in jail for kids missing too much school.

If cases began showing up near my area, I want my kids home. Will they put me in jail for this? Would exceptions be made due to the seriousness of ebola?




posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 10:57 AM
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www.nbcwashington.com...

Hopefully the link works.

Another possible case being treated at Howard University Hospital in DC!
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As I've already posted, I'm not that far from DC and now my panic level just raised to beyond just concerned.
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posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 11:00 AM
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originally posted by: GreenMtnBoys

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I'll tell you one thing if I have to take care of an Ebola patient they better pay me hazard pay of atleast a couple $100 an hour on top of an increase in my life insurance policy!!!! Or I'll quit!

um.... are life ins. policies valid in pandemics normally?



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 11:04 AM
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a reply to: Kentuckymama

My personal opinion, screw their BS rules. Until the reign in the abundance of TOP LEVEL DERPING what reason do we have to think the situation is safe? I don't live in Texas, so my heart really goes out to you in this situation. I know that if this situation was closer to my (totally anonymous) location I would be ready for bug out plan A.

You do what you feel you have to do to keep your family safe. I'm no lawyer but this is an unprecidented situation. Best of luck and stay safe.
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posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 11:09 AM
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Some extremely intelligent individual said, on one of the (disturbingly MANY) Ebola threads, that arrogance is what will be the undoing of the USA.

I heartily agree. I think our government officials thought (complacently) that it "can't happen here."

"Oh, look at our infrastructure. Look at our advanced technology. We are so much better equipped than those poor 'third world' African nations. We're fine. No problem."

The events of the past couple of weeks have proved that mindset wrong, at every turn. Because the fact is, this country is just as full of stupid, careless, or ignorant people as Liberia or Nigeria or Sierra Leone. (I won't even go into criminally negligent...but I could.)

I think it is up to individual citizens to do whatever they can to protect themselves. I'm grateful for ATS because I know that here, amidst the doom porn and wild conspiracies, I will get good information. I've always believed in being prepared for emergencies and crises. I am not as worried about the virus itself (my immune system is so frail that if I was exposed I'd probably be dead in a week) but I do worry about the breakdown of services, the panic and the violence that I fear are coming because of this...

Thanks everyone for trying to stay on top of this and sharing as much information as you can!
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posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 11:14 AM
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originally posted by: Olivine
a reply to: MagesticEsoteric
Hello to you neighbor.


I found what I was looking for: the tail numbers and subsequent flights of the 2 planes Mr. Duncan was aboard in Dulles & Dallas.

abc7.com...


Thank you! I've been wondering about that. Hopefully he was not contagious on the flights. Failing that, I hope there was not sufficient shedding of the virus to be contagious. Otherwise, that full list of subsequent flights is terrifying. I doubt they've done anything other than normal cleaning on the planes.



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 11:15 AM
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a reply to: GreenMtnBoys
If I was still working in the hospital, there is not enough shift-diff In the world to get me to go in his room.
And your right about the isolation. When more get sick, and they will...many more
In fact, there aren't enough isolation rooms, at least not the kind of rooms they need for this virus.
I keep thinking of his first ER visit. He was symptomatic. No one knew for 2 days,so that means that it was business as usual for 48 hours. I know how lax the ER housekeeping can be. I tested my fellow techs one time by marking a pillow case in xray with a sharpie mark. I went in the next day and the mark was still there. 24 hours worth of patients and no pillow case change. Inexcusable. I reported the incident, but no one cared.
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posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 11:16 AM
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WTH is the point of the CDC if they're contracting everything out? The EMTs were exposed due to the company's failure to quarantine the ambulance. On top of that they failed to contact other drivers. Un-effing-believable. I don't understand why the CDC wasn't responsible for his safe transport, dealing with this kind of thing is their damn job.

Same with the outside cleanup left to clueless contractors and now they're going to take the lowest bid for interior cleanup.

I imagine the reason the CDC isn't more hands on is because their services come with a hefty price tag, cheaper to just let less qualified labor take out the trash. We can't put the great brains at the CDC at risk they must be sheltered/preserved at all costs. I think they're in those labs to hide/lock themselves down and the rest of us can eat Ebola $#!&.

Just heard Sanjay Gupta comment about the sewers. He said Ebola can get down there but as soon as the waste hits water treatment plants it will be eliminated. He didn't address the risk of exposure to sewer rats/sanitation/water treatment workers and news anchors didn't bother asking. They're glossing over everything.

Where I grew up after every heavy rain sewers backed up into our basements. After one storm we had poo all over the basement. My parents bought a plug for the drain but a lot of neighbors didn't bother.

Residents/workers/animals can come into contact with sewers/sewage way before it hits treatment plants. I'm getting angrier by the minute.



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 11:24 AM
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originally posted by: Kentuckymama
What rights do we, as parents have to keep our children home when we feel the situation is too close to home? When I walked my kids to school this morning I asked the principal about this. She said that as far as she knows nothing has changed or been said. Kids are allowed to miss 3 schools days during the school year with no excuse from the doctor. After that, the truancy officers will be notified. They are pretty harsh in this area about truancy. They have been known to put parents in jail for kids missing too much school.

If cases began showing up near my area, I want my kids home. Will they put me in jail for this? Would exceptions be made due to the seriousness of ebola?

Here in texas we can pull the kids out of school and homeschool them.



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 11:30 AM
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originally posted by: sickofitall2012
a reply to: GreenMtnBoys
If I was still working in the hospital, there is not enough shift-diff In the world to get me to go in his room.
And your right about the isolation. When more get sick, and they will...many more
In fact, there aren't enough isolation rooms, at least not the kind of rooms they need for this virus.
I keep thinking of his first ER visit. He was symptomatic. No one knew for 2 days,so that means that it was business as usual for 48 hours. I know how lax the ER housekeeping can be. I tested my fellow techs one time by marking a pillow case in xray with a sharpie mark. I went in the next day and the mark was still there. 24 hours worth of patients and no pillow case change. Inexcusable. I reported the incident, but no one cared.


Yeah I'm not surprised! Our hospital is one of five L2 major trauma centers. We are Magnet. Lol and you know what? It's pathetic how inefficient, dirty, disorganized, and compartmentalized the place is. These useless middle managers with their laughable masters in nursing degrees who ha e no idea how to run a profitable business. But then again our CEO who has an MBA is a complete joke. We have TONS of space for stockpiling port shipping containers of food, water, triage tents, extra medical supplies etc. but they don't want to spend the money. You should have seen the earthquake disaster kits our unit manager went out and bought. Lol they look like something a kid would buy at Toys R Us!

What's scary is how many people who don't work in a hospital think we have such a great healthcare system with state of the art facilities! Hardly! Our hospital built a new tower a few years ago but the older part is a complete and utter train wreck! But while staff cuts and freeze on raises our CEO gets a million + salary, housing and car allowances and major bonuses. And our hospital is even showin major profit! Americans have let our country get to this state! We deserve everything coming our way! Ebola, economic implosion, ISIS!



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 11:33 AM
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Well this attitude could be a problem:

Dallas County Health and Human Services Director Zachary Thompson, asked why no agency had removed the contaminated goods, said that was not his department’s responsibility. Members of his staff went into the apartment only to administer tests and not to help the family clean up, he said.

From this dallasnews article

Yet, in an article posted by the same news outlet only 5 hours earlier, I read this:

Dallas officials say they are coordinating the response to the first Ebola patient diagnosed in the U.S. -- but with a healthy dose of federal help.
"Dallas County will act as the lead agency," he said, "but when it comes to planning, those decisions will be made with the advice and counsel of our partners with the [Centers for Disease Control and Prevention]."


I don't want to pile on, but this is ridiculous. Two many "partners" and "teams" and not enough decisive, pro-active decisions and actions being taken.


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posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 11:35 AM
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originally posted by: Jansy
Some extremely intelligent individual said, on one of the (disturbingly MANY) Ebola threads, that arrogance is what will be the undoing of the USA.

I heartily agree. I think our government officials thought (complacently) that it "can't happen here."

"Oh, look at our infrastructure. Look at our advanced technology. We are so much better equipped than those poor 'third world' African nations. We're fine. No problem."

The events of the past couple of weeks have proved that mindset wrong, at every turn. Because the fact is, this country is just as full of stupid, careless, or ignorant people as Liberia or Nigeria or Sierra Leone. (I won't even go into criminally negligent...but I could.)

I think it is up to individual citizens to do whatever they can to protect themselves. I'm grateful for ATS because I know that here, amidst the doom porn and wild conspiracies, I will get good information. I've always believed in being prepared for emergencies and crises. I am not as worried about the virus itself (my immune system is so frail that if I was exposed I'd probably be dead in a week) but I do worry about the breakdown of services, the panic and the violence that I fear are coming because of this...

Thanks everyone for trying to stay on top of this and sharing as much information as you can!


It's not arrogance! It's passing the buck until no one knows what's going on and every aspect of government is so compartmentalized nothing gets done. If the government was run like a private corporation you would see much more efficiency and organization. What's pathetic with this Ebola potential is how unprepared our healthcare system and facilities are compared to how much effing money we spend per capita on it.



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 11:37 AM
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a reply to: GreenMtnBoys
It is sad how much people think hospitals are clean and safe. MRSA. Staph. All alive and well in hospitals.
And your right, the people in charge are a joke.



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 11:50 AM
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This just came up here in Atlanta, seems we have a possible inmate in Cobb county being quarantined..all it states is that he recently traveled from Africa.

www.cbs46.com...
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posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 11:56 AM
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originally posted by: Doodle19815
a reply to: stellawayten

How do you sanitize a school though, really? Could you possibly imagine having that job? Books, undersides of desks, seats, bathroom nooks and crannies, walls, pencils, toys for the younger ones, and on and on....

I can't believe anyone did a thorough job in under a week.



The only way you can somewhat reliably sanitize an entire large building with air ducts, like a school, is with chemicals in a gaseous state. Think of mold abatement. An entire complex has to be sealed off, every single crack, and flooded with ozone, to really purge a building of all mold, everywhere, assuming there are no air-tight compartments inside where the mold could hide out.

But just think... is the inside of a thick textbook thats crammed tightly between other books air tight? I would imagine even a gas would have a tough time seeping into spaces like that. Mold could probably survive.

But with Ebola... Would ozone even work? Ozone isnt all that corrosive; chlorine, the standard for cleansing Ebola, is extremely corrosive. How much of a school is made of stainless steel?

You could wait for several months for the Ebola to die... but what large building thats designed for public use doesnt have rats/mice that could act as a reservoir for the virus indefinitely? Can insects like roaches carry it? Im not sure.

The only safe option, if you really wanted to cleanse the building, would be the burn it to the ground, and bury the ashes where they fell.



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 12:03 PM
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I don't normally jump on the fear bandwagon. I educate myself, take reasonable precautions but I can't unread what I've read.

The fact that nearly everyone in that apartment is a health care worker and continued working the whole time completely blows my mind. If that's not sorry-assed enough they took it further, plopped 4/5 kids on the couch right next to him, probably used the same bathroom.

If this is the best we can expect from licensed health care professionals and the CDC, we're doomed as hell. I'm glad we live in the middle of nowhere, no city sewers/water.

The zombie apocalypse is upon us but the patients aren't the zombies it's the CDC/government and health care workers. Pretty soon hospital staff will look more like "Silent Hill" nurses after the more qualified/conscientious workers run for their lives due to the mishandling. Same thing happened in west Africa and I don't blame them one bit.



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 12:09 PM
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I'm watching CNN right now and they show two guys in Haz Mat suits at the patient's apartment. And of course all the others that are standing around with no protection whatsoever..
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posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 12:09 PM
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originally posted by: Olivine
Well this attitude could be a problem:

Dallas County Health and Human Services Director Zachary Thompson, asked why no agency had removed the contaminated goods, said that was not his department’s responsibility. Members of his staff went into the apartment only to administer tests and not to help the family clean up, he said.

From this dallasnews article

Yet, in an article posted by the same news outlet only 5 hours earlier, I read this:

Dallas officials say they are coordinating the response to the first Ebola patient diagnosed in the U.S. -- but with a healthy dose of federal help.
"Dallas County will act as the lead agency," he said, "but when it comes to planning, those decisions will be made with the advice and counsel of our partners with the [Centers for Disease Control and Prevention]."


I don't want to pile on, but this is ridiculous. Two many "partners" and "teams" and not enough decisive, pro-active decisions and actions being taken.


Sounds like the sham that was the 9/11 response the Fire Department not talking to the Police Department and we all know how that one turned out.



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 12:15 PM
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They are showing the cleaning crew right now on the news. They're messing with a car in the apartment complex and it's covered in plastic, perhaps the one he used for his first ER trip. The crew has suits on but no face protection. I know they may not need it, but why even take that chance with Ebola?
Just so civilians out there know, they can't save you every time. Medicine is not as perfect as some may think. It is comprised of humans, and will make mistakes.
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posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 12:20 PM
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a reply to: CaticusMaximus

The thing your 100% right about is the possibility of animal vectors, the reality is we have absolutely no idea what animals can become vectors in North America, we have different mosquito types, but the most worrisome critters would be rats and mice, if rats and mice can carry in the States we are in for some serious problems, end of the union for a time problems. The number of refugees is going to increase and if ONE, ONE Rat in NYC contracts during the winter months your going to have the worst pandemic in Human history.

But that is an if...

As far as the spread from infected people, cleaning a school etc, I don't view that as a big deal, the first thing you'd want to do is seal the windows and raise the heat, relatively easy, bring the school to 100+ degrees inside, the virus wont last anywhere in there more than 48 hrs and that's being generous, sanitize the hot spots, have the janitors come in with gloves and do normal cleaning small amounts of Bleach in the water, it's just not that resilient. A close of a week for a school would be fine...




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