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CDC mobilizing: Dallas Hospital confirms First Positive Ebola Case in the US

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posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 10:21 AM
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originally posted by: texasgirl

originally posted by: MagesticEsoteric
a reply to: AnonyMason



I understand exactly how you feel.



I was so angry last night, I just had to walk away from the computer.



At every turn, there has been massive failures. It's almost like they want it to spread.






I am getting this feeling, also. How can there be failure after failure? And continuing on with even more failures?!


It started with the clumsy transfer of the infected Doc to the States and now they show how they treat threads like these.
I'm starting to think they simply don't know better.




posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 10:29 AM
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you know when this first happened and up until not that long ago i was optimistic. i was trying to be calm and rational. i thought that this country can deal with it. with the cdc and our medical facilities......we will all be fine.

im not thinking like that anymore. i am entering freak out/pissed off mode.

the cdc, the feds, dallas health services etc are all dropping the ball.

this is reminding me of katrina when fema showed how inept they were when it came to dealing with the situation....

now substitute fema for the cdc....

i can not believe they just trusted that person that was around duncan to stay home.....they trusted and what happened, the person took off to the store or something...

the cdc should have had everyone that was in the apartment and the apartment on lock....

when the pic showed up of them cleaning the sidewalk with a pressure washer i thought to myself, no way.
there is no way they are actually cleaning that vomit like that.

i thought hey, the news cant be trusted. they are probably just trying to pass that picture off as them cleaning that spot.
well, turns out, thats how they really cleaned it.

from the pic it looks like some dudes they picked up outside a dallas home depot that needed work.

i am in utter disbelief....



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 10:30 AM
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After first Ebola case, red flags emerge that U.S. unprepared for pandemic





“CDC continues to work with reduced financial resources, which similarly affects state, local, and insular public health departments. … These losses make it difficult for state and local health departments to continue to expand their preparedness capabilities, instead forcing them to focus on maintaining their current capabilities,” the CDC warned in a report this year.

CDC flagged several key trend lines, including congressional funding for public health emergency preparedness had shrunk by $1 billion from its highs shortly after the 2001 terrorist and anthrax attacks.

It also noted that state and local public health departments on the front lines of any health emergency have shed 45,700 jobs since the 2008 financial crisis.




Read more: www.washingtontimes.com...
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edit on am1031amFri, 03 Oct 2014 10:33:43 -0500 by antar because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 10:35 AM
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originally posted by: antar
a reply to: MagesticEsoteric

And family members seem to want to block this out and just go back to their TV entertainment. I swear sometimes I feel like the only sanity I can find is here on this discussion forum.

(My ex last night was like "I don't want to hear about it, I just want to go back to Gun Smoke" I was trying to figure out our family protocol in the event of a widespread pandemic...


I guess I'm lucky on that front. Once I told my husband that patient zero was at Dulles airport, he hopped on board real quick.

We plan on spending the weekend stocking up things and coming up with a plan if things really get worse. He's lucky that if worse comes to worse, he can work from home. We will definitely keep the kids home from school and since I'm already a hermit, I won't mind being stuck at home.

I really hope it doesn't come to that but, it's my job to keep my family safe and that's exactly what I intend to do.

I know this isn't the survival forum but, any suggestion on what/how much to stock up on.

I'm thinking latex gloves, masks, canned goods and water. But how much do you guys think it will take for a family of 4?



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 10:37 AM
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a reply to: CardiffGiant

The feelings are mutual. My gut reaction was not freak out mode, but after observing the complete and total failures to properly respond to this situation AND reading the tripe being spewed from the mouth of the director of the CDC calm and rational is heading out the window .

It's hard to be optomistic when there hasn't even been a quarantine/disposal team sent into patient zero's apartment.

I didn't think I would come to this conclusion, but I'm begining to feel like the government is going to let this spread.

Never let a crisis go to waste. They could accomplish a lot if a few hundred more people become ebola cases. Then they can roll out a military quarantine and impose curfews. This is potentially the perfect scenario for a martial law campaign.
edit on 3-10-2014 by AnonyMason because: text doesnt like window.



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 10:40 AM
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You guys want to reallly get pissed?


Patients in whom a diagnosis of Ebola is being considered should be isolated in a single room (with a private bathroom), and healthcare personnel should follow standard, contact, and droplet precautions, including the use of appropriate personal protective equipment (PPE). Infection control personnel and the local health department should be immediately contacted for consultation.


Oh yes, I would want my child going in for a tonsillectomy or wife in labor to be in an adjoining room to an ebola patient, as long as they have separate bathrooms as this report states...

What happened to Quarantine rooms and special facilities set up for containment?

Oh I am just too furious to post more on this ignorance, read at your own will:
emergency.cdc.gov...



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 10:41 AM
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Lol so that's what they need? More money? Idiots. Give me a cleaning van, official documents/ID's and a handful of hazmat suits along with a week of training and I could have handled the situation better. These screw ups prove that government agencies are incompetent and moronic. Exactly how half assed the super dome was handled in Katrina. We are screwed if we have these guys to rely on. I think we should fly in specialists from Nigeria and take notes. Morons. Where do they get their ideas from? An astrologer? A magic 8 ball?
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posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 10:42 AM
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a reply to: ValentineWiggin
Now, that's scary on so many levels.

Even though US Govt officials have known about the W. Africa Ebola outbreak for months and could assume that sooner or later, a case from there might turn up in the US, they did not even make prior arrangements to find contractors to do level 4 bio hazmat cleanup. They waited until after the event to try and find someone "willing" to take it on.

So much for being prepared and having everything under control. Either an organization knows how to do a safe level 4 bio hazard cleanup or they don't. If they know, then they should manage it confidently. If they don't then you don't want them anywhere near the contaminated site.

Just to make it clear: I'm not criticizing Americans as a group. It's not your fault, it's your "powers that be". And I don't think UK/European authorities are likely to do much better.

Point is, it didn't have to be Ebola. Even a high-lethality variant of the flu can crop up pretty well any time. Like, along the lines of the 1918 Spanish Flu strain. Something like that could break out and spread way quicker than Ebola has done, especially with modern means of transport to help it along. And if it does, I'd guess the situation will be totally FUBAR'd. If we (your country, mine, or other "western nations") cannot even get the lid tight on a Patient Zero case and instead the comedy of errors is enough to make us weep, what hope have we got if a real, lethal pandemic comes along?

SMH...



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 10:43 AM
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originally posted by: antar
You guys want to reallly get pissed?


Patients in whom a diagnosis of Ebola is being considered should be isolated in a single room (with a private bathroom), and healthcare personnel should follow standard, contact, and droplet precautions, including the use of appropriate personal protective equipment (PPE). Infection control personnel and the local health department should be immediately contacted for consultation.


Oh yes, I would want my child going in for a tonsillectomy or wife in labor to be in an adjoining room to an ebola patient, as long as they have separate bathrooms as this report states...

What happened to Quarantine rooms and special facilities set up for containment?

Oh I am just too furious to post more on this ignorance, read at your own will:
emergency.cdc.gov...

I think I heard on ABC news this morning that they cleared an entire hospital floor for Duncan.

Still tho, I wouldn't even want to be in the same hospital, or the same county for that matter.



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 10:46 AM
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originally posted by: antar

After first Ebola case, red flags emerge that U.S. unprepared for pandemic





“CDC continues to work with reduced financial resources, which similarly affects state, local, and insular public health departments. … These losses make it difficult for state and local health departments to continue to expand their preparedness capabilities, instead forcing them to focus on maintaining their current capabilities,” the CDC warned in a report this year.

CDC flagged several key trend lines, including congressional funding for public health emergency preparedness had shrunk by $1 billion from its highs shortly after the 2001 terrorist and anthrax attacks.

It also noted that state and local public health departments on the front lines of any health emergency have shed 45,700 jobs since the 2008 financial crisis.




Read more: www.washingtontimes.com...
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

A shrinkage of 1 BILLION dollars from emergency preparedness is extremely significant. Not to mention 45,700 jobs lost in just 6 years

scary to think about and no wonder they are failing miserably.



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 10:46 AM
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Ok one more...

Low1 risk exposures


A low risk exposure includes any of the following

Household contact with an EVD patient

Other close contact with EVD patients in health care facilities or community settings.

Close contact is defined as

being within approximately 3 feet (1 meter) of an EVD patient

or within the patient’s room or care area for a prolonged period of time (e.g., health care personnel, household members) while not wearing recommended personal protective equipment (i.e., standard, droplet, and contact precautions; see Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations)

having direct brief contact (e.g., shaking hands) with an EVD patient while not wearing recommended personal protective equipment.

Brief interactions, such as walking by a person or moving through a hospital, do not constitute close contact





High risk exposures

A high risk exposure includes any of the following:

Percutaneous (e.g., needle stick) or mucous membrane exposure to blood or body fluids of EVD patient
Direct skin contact with, or exposure to blood or body fluids of, an EVD patient without appropriate personal protective equipment (PPE)
Processing blood or body fluids of a confirmed EVD patient without appropriate PPE or standard biosafety precautions
Direct contact with a dead body without appropriate PPE in a country where an EVD outbreak is occurring*


www.cdc.gov...
edit on am1031amFri, 03 Oct 2014 10:47:33 -0500 by antar because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 10:47 AM
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originally posted by: antar
You guys want to reallly get pissed?


Patients in whom a diagnosis of Ebola is being considered should be isolated in a single room (with a private bathroom), and healthcare personnel should follow standard, contact, and droplet precautions, including the use of appropriate personal protective equipment (PPE). Infection control personnel and the local health department should be immediately contacted for consultation.


Oh yes, I would want my child going in for a tonsillectomy or wife in labor to be in an adjoining room to an ebola patient, as long as they have separate bathrooms as this report states...

What happened to Quarantine rooms and special facilities set up for containment?

Oh I am just too furious to post more on this ignorance, read at your own will:
emergency.cdc.gov...


You don't just put a F'ing Ebola patient in a room with its own bathroom and a sign on the door!!!! These patients need to be in locked negative pressure isolation rooms with two access doors etc. and guess what? Very few hospitals have them. Mine has 2!!!!!!! And we serve a very large suburban area and are a normally very busy hospital. In other words people if this thing gets going hospitals are screwed!!!! No way can they handle an influx of Ebola patients as well as take care of the needs of regular patients.

I'll tell you one thing if I have to take care of an Ebola patient they better pay me hazard pay of atleast a couple $100 an hour on top of an increase in my life insurance policy!!!! Or I'll quit!



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 10:50 AM
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Is Duncan the fifth or sixth ebola case on U.S. soil?

The two original who came to Atlanta, the three or four? (including the original two) at Emory, the one in Nebraska who may have been going to Emory then didn't), the one in Dallas....

I lost track on that fourth one that was supposed to be coming to Emory. Plus they never did say who the third one was, did they? So we can't trace that one.



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 10:52 AM
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originally posted by: AnonyMason

I didn't think I would come to this conclusion, but I'm begining to feel like the government is going to let this spread.

Never let a crisis go to waste. They could accomplish a lot if a few hundred more people become ebola cases. Then they can roll out a military quarantine and impose curfews. This is potentially the perfect scenario for a martial law campaign.


im starting to think along these l lines as well.

the people at the cdc are not stupid. these virologists and such....since they are not stupid people and they are screwing up that leads me to believe they are screwing up on purpose.
leads me to believe there is an agenda...just not sure what it is

is it to knock off a good chunk of the population?
is it to get thousands/millions sick so that pfizer or whoever can sell the new ebola meds?
is it to get thousands/millions sick so that they can knock off a chunk of the population, sell meds, and keep people scared and complacent?

im not sure....

i mean theyre going to want us scared, but not too scared.
if we are too scared then we wont go out and spend money...we need to be just scared enough...
scared enough to where we will line up for injections and database entry but not too scared that we dont go spend a thousand dollars on black friday....
does the gov(the real gov....the real shot callers, whoever they are) plan to sign some executive order into effect once 200k people are infected?
some order to strip rights or give the gov more power or blah blah blah.....enter whatever scenario you want....
is that the reason this is happening. is that the reason why instead of the cdc and a haz mat team cleaning up ebola vomit we have a jeffe and ronaldo from outside home depot cleaning up the contamination?
i hate thinking like that but i cant help it



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 10:53 AM
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Where the heck is USAMRIID in all of this?

They without a doubt have the personnel to take care of the situation.

They were all over the Ebola Reston situation and that in the end posed no threat to humans.

I know the CDC and USAMRIID butt heads but come on.....



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 10:53 AM
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a reply to: Gully

Sure they did, would you allow a family member to be ill on the same floor as the ebola patient? Even to have the same DR or nurses, no way!

I personally would not step a foot near that hospital even if I broke every bone in my body! This represents major losses to that hospital, they are just trying to do damage control. With so little real information being put forth isn't it convenient that we get that little piece of info? HA!



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 10:54 AM
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a reply to: Seek_Truth

Right you are AND Obama can send 3000 troops to Africa when he KNEW it was in his own back yard!!!



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 10:54 AM
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The performance of all local, state, and federal agencies in Dallas does not inspire confidence. If we make it through this with just a few additional infections,that are caught before further spread and hold the line here it will be due to luck instead of preparedness and skill. I have commented on a few ebola threds since this epidemic started, and I've been far from an alarmist, but I'm more concerned now than I thought I would be after the first US case due to the piss poor performance of authorities at all levels.

The cluster-you-know-what of the cleanup of the apartment should never have happened. Having to on the fly find a company willing to do the cleanup and then a beaurocratic hurdle for them to actually transport the waste is incredible. Are there no EMT's, Firemen, Nurses, and Doctors able to be tasked for the cleanup of a two or three bedroom apartment? That's the local level. At the state level what assets does the Department of Health have that were not utilized for such a purpose? Also at the state level the Governor has National Guard assets that surely have NBC units and personel. If none of the other assets available to the state are able or willing to do a simple 12-2500 sq. ft. cleanup the governor could have ordered some type of NG asset to do it. At the Federal level it amazes me the DHS, CDC, NIH, and Department of Health didn't have some type of "Bio-Swat Team" to handle something like this while at the same time force multiply by training local Fire, EMS, and even private entities on how to do a cleanup after an infection. It's small now, we should be throwing full force at it while we can concentrate the skills and capabilities of everyone who has them. Instead of fiddle farting around like they've been doing in regards to the cleanup in Dallas.

That being said I do think we need to calm down a bit and see what happens.I'm sure this will not be the last case to pop up in the US. If we can stop it here even with all the foul ups the the odds are pretty decent we'll be able to handle the individual cases as they appear. Definitely not something to ignore and we really need to hold the government accountable in how they handle this, it's obvious that our money is not currently being well spent.



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 10:56 AM
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a reply to: [post=18489666]Olivine[/post
It is at the NIH in Bethesda Maryland, and it is the Dr. People are referring to. When it was mentioned, it was just a side note to another conversationhe did not say "don't tell anyone" or anything like that that. After posting I started to regret it, but yes looks like it is no secret.



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 10:57 AM
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As a South African citizen-reading how the whole Duncan case has been handled,is just..incomprehensible to me.I can not understand the ineptitude,the lackadaisical way,or should I say,criminally irresponsible way this whole matter is being handled.Now,I live in a country with practically t
The most inept,short-sighted and corrupt government on the planet,this is more what you could expect from our government .Never in a million years did I expect such dangerously cavalier actions/or rather Lack of action,from the US gov.Even the SA gov had a ban in place ,restricting ndividuals from Ebola-affected countries entering SA,since back in August,for instance.

www.southafrica.info...

I can't decide if this level of incompetence in a country as advanced as America,is just infuriating,or rather downright suspicious.

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