CDC mobilizing: Dallas Hospital confirms First Positive Ebola Case in the US

originally posted by: Kentuckymama
a reply to: ValentineWiggin
Thank you. I have talked with him about it. He agrees that if cases turn up near us, the kids will stay home. He said he can't just stop working though. The only thing I can think of is in that case he will have to keep his distance. Stay in his room, only come and go through that door, only using that one bathroom... It worries me. I just read on a different site, there are 2 possible case in Kentucky. Those 2 cases are in the Louisville area, I think. That's about 2.5 hours north of us.

Thank you,
Jillian

I told my husband he can get on board or get off the ship if it comes to that. He informed me he would be getting off the ship. Them's the breaks I guess, hope it doesn't come to that.

a reply to: antarYou are awesome! Thanks for the positive thinking boost. I needed that.

Jillian

originally posted by: antar...Live life in a positive way and show others that you can be counted on to stay on top of this situation and will know if and when the proper time to bug out comes.

Stay clear and do your preps, and know that you are not alone in the way you feel.

Nice reply, Antar. I spent the afternoon shopping and working on preps. There are several possible ways this can go, especially if you live in a city like I do.

Scenario 1: Nothing major happens (fingers crossed) and we have more canned beans than we'd normally have around
Scenario 2: The crisis unfolds rapidly
Scenario 3: The crisis unfolds slowly for now, and then escalates at some future point
Scenario 4:Even though the crisis doesn't unfold, people panic and shopping becomes futile and/or dangerous

There are many other possible scenarios, but #2 and #4 prompted me to go out today and pick up loads of supplies that we'll eventually use or need to have as backup, plus plenty of water purification setup.

'Might be just coincidence, but I noticed the store shelves were only about 1/3 full of bottled water.

Two great replies antar and graceunderpressure.

a reply to: graceunderpressure

Would that future point be after Black Friday? When millions of people are all together? I brought it up in another thread here.

originally posted by: ValentineWiggin

originally posted by: Kentuckymama
I have been reading this site for a few months now, I love it. Just joined because I have a question..

All I have heard repeatedly is that a person in not contagious until they have symptoms. I have looked for a more detailed explanation.Does that mean as soon as the fever starts? At a certain temperature?? What about when the headache begins?? Or are you contagious when the general body aches and tiredness begin? Nobody shows all symptoms at the same minute, right. Which ones are enough to make you contagious? How do they know being contagious doesn't begin the day before symptoms start?

At what point does someone like me, I live in Kentucky, I have 3 kids, ages 10, 7,and 4 start keeping kids home from school? When do I say we aren't leaving and no one is coming in? My husband is breadman for Sara-Lee. He is out and about in the stores in town all day. How would I protect my babies? Keep him separate from us?

I guess I'm wanting to be positive, but I want to know your opinions on how to keep us safe.
Thank you for your time,
Jillian

I'd be interested in answers to this also. I'd start talking to your husband about your feelings now, especially if he does not share the same concerns you do. It's important you both know exactly where you stand. It never hurts to be prepared for that.

Agreed!

My husband and I are having a push/pull about this now. Maybe someone needs to start a thread in the survival section. LOL! "When A Prepper Marries A Sheep."

originally posted by: kosmicjack

originally posted by: ValentineWiggin

originally posted by: Kentuckymama
I have been reading this site for a few months now, I love it. Just joined because I have a question..

All I have heard repeatedly is that a person in not contagious until they have symptoms. I have looked for a more detailed explanation.Does that mean as soon as the fever starts? At a certain temperature?? What about when the headache begins?? Or are you contagious when the general body aches and tiredness begin? Nobody shows all symptoms at the same minute, right. Which ones are enough to make you contagious? How do they know being contagious doesn't begin the day before symptoms start?

At what point does someone like me, I live in Kentucky, I have 3 kids, ages 10, 7,and 4 start keeping kids home from school? When do I say we aren't leaving and no one is coming in? My husband is breadman for Sara-Lee. He is out and about in the stores in town all day. How would I protect my babies? Keep him separate from us?

I guess I'm wanting to be positive, but I want to know your opinions on how to keep us safe.
Thank you for your time,
Jillian

I'd be interested in answers to this also. I'd start talking to your husband about your feelings now, especially if he does not share the same concerns you do. It's important you both know exactly where you stand. It never hurts to be prepared for that.

Agreed!

My husband and I are having a push/pull about this now. Maybe someone needs to start a thread in the survival section. LOL! "When A Prepper Marries A Sheep."

Mmhhmm, you are not alone my good friend!

originally posted by: MagesticEsoteric

originally posted by: MarkJS

originally posted by: MarkJS

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
If the family attempts to leave, they too, should be treated like criminals.

People say stuff that they don't know what the ramifications are. Just think of how 'being treated like a criminal' should go. Would they be:
-cuffed by the police?
-thrown into a squad car?
-have fingerprints taken?
-get a mug shot?
-be in a lineup with other suspects?
-thrown into jail with other arrested people?

It helps to think things out before you speak. Sometimes that's hard, but putting the effort in beforehand is usually worth it.

Some do, but most people, even the 'enlightened ones' in ATS here - even in this thread- don't really see the scope of what's happening here. They think that they do, but they don't really see the big picture. Trust me, this is huge.

I posted the below back a few pages... Many read it and probably just thought- "that Christian is just rambling again"... The post got 0 stars, a sign to me. No my friends, it was not a ramble. Reposted below for your convenience:

originally posted by: MarkJS

originally posted by: Witness2008
a reply to: ikonoklast

I have been following your chart page. Excellent work.

The next couple of months will be interesting.

Do you remember where you were when 9-11 happened? Same thing with Ebola in the US. Except that Ebola in the US comes in waves - wave after traumatic, destructive wave. Unfortunately, this is probably just the beginning.

Click on the links in my sig. They are there for just this purpose- to give you peace in times of trouble.

People need Jesus more than they know. We have Ebola, Entrovirus 68 in the country. God Forbid if that Venezuelan whatever virus pops up here as well. I want to say this in the nicest possible way: Wake up!

I can appreciate what you are trying to convey to this forum. I honestly do.

This is the most "awake" forum you could ever post in. We all "get it".
[snip]

Thanks for your response. No doubt the readers and contributors to this thread are above-average enlightened, compared to much of the population. That's why I like, visit and read ATS.

It's just that when I see knee-jerk reactions something to the effect of "arrest them", without really thinking all the complexities that - that would entail... I am forced to say something.

Just sayin'

I Worked as a xray tech in a hospital and I've seen how horrible the infection control can be.
He was symptomatic his first visit. I know they did a portable chest xray and the tech put an unprotected film behind his sweaty fevered back. He then touched it and re-used it again and again. This was just xray, what about the phlebotomist etc. I witnessed so many things when I worked there.
I hate to be the bearer, but it's reality here, literally in my backyard.

I was just listening to the CNN interview with Louise and was wondering if there is any information about the daughter who dropped by to give Duncan the tea and was later the person who actually called 911?

Is she under quarantine?

I would like to make a motion that the now former head of the Secret Service be put in charge of security for the soon-to-be former head of the Centers for Disease Control.

I'm not buying it. This is way to much stupidity rolled together. They cannot possibly be this inept. The mis-steps documented in this thread are inexcusable, and borderline impossible without intent to manufacture a crisis.

Knowledgeable people who are specialists in disease control don't leave people living in Ebola petri dishes to starve without provisions. They don't wait two days and more to hide then announce a confirmed case. They don't not inform ambulance personnel. They don't leave bio hazard power washing to the grounds keepers. They don't call the number of contacts a handful when it is 100 and probably more like 1,000s. And....and...and.

WTH. Really?

And the Liberian president can crawl back in his hole his head has been in while lying about the number of cases in his country to the point that WHO had to change their count downward before the numbers began climbing again. Prosecute yourself first because you've been lying to your citizens this whole time.

The CDC and health departments cannot be this inept. That is too easy of an out. I am not buying it.

PS Toronto has a possible Ebola patient in isolation now.

Do I hear a second on a new guard for the CDC head? If he can't lead better than this, I fear for his safety while walking and chewing gum. He clearly needs some help spreading the Ebola around...those pesky news cameras and reporters keep catching them doing just that.

If this wasn't so deadly I would swear this whole scenario was a sick joke.

originally posted by: K_OS
a reply to: graceunderpressure

Would that future point be after Black Friday? When millions of people are all together? I brought it up in another thread here.

'Could be...interesting thread and theory, along with some interesting coincidences. Which is why Yours Truly picked up her multi-pack of Rice-a-Roni today. It's also reason #439 not to go to Walmart on Black Friday.

originally posted by: Kentuckymama
I have been reading this site for a few months now, I love it. Just joined because I have a question..

All I have heard repeatedly is that a person in not contagious until they have symptoms. I have looked for a more detailed explanation.Does that mean as soon as the fever starts? At a certain temperature?? What about when the headache begins?? Or are you contagious when the general body aches and tiredness begin? Nobody shows all symptoms at the same minute, right. Which ones are enough to make you contagious? How do they know being contagious doesn't begin the day before symptoms start?
[snip]

I'm not a doctor, so I can only offer you what I've learned as a layman.

The official answer about your contagious/contagion questions will probably be: "it depends". Pinning down specifics like what you're asking is a science, but it's not an exact science. I'll probably get people who will decry what I'm about to say, but based on my experience and reading- the actual timing of being contagious likely depends on:
o the health of the patient before they acquired Ebola, including diet and the state of their immune system.
o their age
o what type of strain of Ebola (one strain only is assumed ( yes, used that word on purpose))
o what mutation number of Ebola they acquired
o if they are able to stay in a fairly virus-free environment while they are recovering- this includes sanitation aspects like flies, infectious dogs licking them, not eating any infected bush-meat, etc.
o probably other factors that I can't think of at the moment.

Hope this helps.

a reply to: loam

Hold on. Read this article from the WSJ:

A Dallas man who was in contact with the first person to be diagnosed with the Ebola virus in the U.S. said in an interview that the Liberian native had been weak and ill in an apartment after trying to seek help at a hospital days earlier.

Joe Joe Jallah said he met the man diagnosed with Ebola, Thomas Eric Duncan, last week when visiting Mr. Jallah’s former wife, Louise Troh, the same woman Mr. Duncan had come to see in the U.S.

...

Several days later, on Saturday, Mr. Jallah said he had heard that Mr. Duncan had fallen ill.

Concerned, Mr. Jallah went back to the apartment to check on Mr. Duncan.

“He was lying down on the floor with a comforter. He said he was sick and that he had no appetite,” Mr. Jallah said.

‘I said, ‘Did you go to the hospital? He said, ‘Yes, but they did nothing for me,’” Mr. Jallah recalled. “I said, ‘You should eat so you can gain strength.’ ”

Mr. Jallah left to go to work, but returned the next day after his daughter, who lives with Ms. Troh, called, sounding frantic, saying that Mr. Duncan was still ill.

“When I went back, the man was sitting on the bed. He was drinking coffee or tea. My daughter said let’s call 911, he still doesn’t have an appetite,” Mr. Jallah recounted.

online.wsj.com...

So Mr. Jallah and his daughter are where???????

a reply to: MarkJS
Yes, it helps. Thank you for taking the time to respond to me.

Jillian

a reply to: loam
Hopefully they aren't running around DFW. Surely this won't be yet another mistake.

a reply to: Kentuckymama

Here's a good paper written for scientists/medicos:
Ebola Virus:Essential Public Health Principles for Clinicians

Answers quite a few questions.

a reply to: drwill

I think it absolutely means that. Mr. jallah is giving interviews to the WSJ! WTF?

a reply to: loam
A little while ago, I caught the rerun of A. Cooper 360, and he asked the woman about her daughter --the one who brought patient z tea and called 911 -- and received an evasive answer.

Well, now I've heard everything. According to NBC News, the Texas hospital that sent PZ home is now blaming it on "a software issue," not human error.

The Dallas hospital that mistakenly sent home a man who had Ebola says flawed software and not human error caused doctors to miss the diagnosis.

“Protocols were followed by both the physician and the nurses,” the hospital said in a statement issued Thursday night.

The nurse who took Thomas Eric Duncan’s medical history did the job correctly, the hospital said.

“However, we have identified a flaw in the way the physician and nursing portions of our electronic health records (EHR) interacted in this specific case,” it added.

As result of this discovery, Texas Health Dallas has relocated the travel history documentation to a portion of the EHR that is part of both workflows. It also has been modified to specifically reference Ebola-endemic regions in Africa,” the hospital said.

“We have made this change to increase the visibility and documentation of the travel question in order to alert all providers. We feel that this change will improve the early identification of patients who may be at risk for communicable diseases, including Ebola.

Well, OK then. Everything is peachy (not). But wait, there's more.

When Mr. Duncan was asked [by the Dallas hospital] if he had been around anyone who had been ill, he said that he had not,” it added.

So PZ lied again!

NBC News Story