Benefits 'smart cards' plan revealed by Iain Duncan Smith - Here it is again

a reply to: andy06shake

What happens when you need a new TV or Computer? When you order one, will the card get declined? What about paying bills?? How they going to sort that out? cars? Petrol??

This would be a nasty way of living. having to report everything bought. Naaaa.

a reply to: TruthxIsxInxThexMist

It would indeed be a "nasty way of living"!

Even worse once they start to utilise the cards true potential like using said cards to track peoples movements or any of they other nefarious schemes the meta data generated would allow "them" to accomplish, pre crime springs to mind. The possibilities for control are endless!

a reply to: andy06shake

It all goes back to Serfdom - the state owns the people not the people the state so it is democracy in reverse, we do need to fix the problem and that can only be accomplished by making tighter checks' and making sure our benefits go to only british claiment's, (third generation immigrants' or "genuine" assylum seekers as well of course) and making work pay not the tory slogan but raise the bloody wages not take the only way people without a job can survive away, God is slow but sure and when the likes of Osborn, Cameron and that bounder Lain Duncan Smith come before the throne for judgement what will be there answer, I was thirsty when did you give me to drink, I was hungry when did you feed me, I was homeless when did you shelter me.

Of course I am religious but these men are simply Evil not righteous and the current public opinion has been produced through right wing media and social brainwashing but unfortunately New Labour are no better, my nation are my family and if my family is healthy then we have time to look after our neighbour's but now we are dying under the influx of foreigners mainly from asia, africa and the middle east as well as povertry stricken eastern european country's such as romania and bulgaria.

Here is a simple fact of life, if you make a good cake you use good ingredient's, if you use bad ones then the cake is going to be rotten, the cake is the nation and the ingredients are it's people so since these money men are pouring rotten ingredients used in cake's you would not want to eat into our mixing bowl what they hell is our cake (Nation) in the future going to look like and won't it then be every bit as bad as those nations are now.

a reply to: Ezappa

Whats the chances they will eventually restrict the range of food products that can be purchased with these cards to foods with high GMO content.?

a reply to: learnatic

High brand food products maybe on the list so you can only buy the supermarket brand. Some would consider top brand food products a luxury.

What about buses and trains even taxi's. It would be hard to get around to those job interviews with no actual cash in your pocket for travel costs.

a reply to: Ezappa

Could not agree more and who would consider what's top brand and what's not? Rather a significant amount of supermarket brand products like the green and white items in ASDA are considered I imagine by most people, employed or otherwise, to be utter rubbish and certainly in no way suitable for growing children or infants. This kind of garbage its totally Orwellian.

I say make Iain Duncan Smith live with one of these cards for a year and see if he still feels the same way about his ludicrous scheme! If he is still alive at the end that is, because personally I don't think he would last a fortnight!

originally posted by: andy06shake
Something to keep in mind Iain Duncan Smith “The True Measure of Any Society can be found in how it treats its most vulnerable members” – Ghandi.

That is hilarious coming from 'Ghandi' .... An Indian man.

India doesn't have a welfare system, nor a NHS. and there must be

hundreds... no thousands... or maybe millions who are 'dirt poor' in

India.

a reply to: eletheia

Feel free to offer your own applicable quote to fit the situation. What's hilarious is the fact that scum bag politicians like this Iain Duncan Smith can suggest such twaddle and get away with it.

Personally I find Gandhi's quote fits the situation perfectly.

originally posted by: andy06shake

Personally I find Gandhi's quote fits the situation perfectly.

Like - "Do as I say and not do as I do" comes to mind......

a reply to: eletheia

That works just fine for me.

Another applicable statement might be "Let them eat Cake" then again that tory scum bag would probably consider that to be a luxury item.

Let me tell you a little story about what this crap does to people... (crap being "benefits" in general)...

My recent EX... One time (before when we broke up for a year) she went and got herself a nice little house for free... They gave her a grant also, a grant for those that don't know, means you don't even have to pay it back, just free money! They gave her £500 for free, no questions asked, it was for furniture etc... You know what she said? "Oh thank you so much for this free money, really I so appreciate this very kind gesture" NOPE... She actually said... "What? £500? Pfft, what am I supposed to get with THAT!"

£500... Is no small amount of money, to me at least, if frugal you could kit out most your home for that! I mean she gets money every week too lets not forget that! Plus council tax, rent etc... Totally free ride! And trust me, the money she gets is not bad at all, you can live a nice life on it!

I don't "claim" this money, although I could! But I don't... Why? Because it is STOLEN off people! People do not "pay" tax! It is stolen from them by threat of force or just taken directly out of their wages! If I hold a gun to your head and say "pay me"... Are you REALLY paying me? hahah

I am fortunate that a dear and lovely man on the other side of the world to me is helping me out in my time of need by the goodness of his heart and his free will! There is no FORCE involved here! No theft!

Let us stop this insanity! I want to take nothing from other people and give nothing, unless I WANT to! Simple as that! If I knew someone disabled and unable to work I WOULD help them if I were in a position to! This whole socialist deal is no good whatsoever! It breeds people like my EX!

She also believes that I too should get money from thin air! I should be magical and get the children new beds "ages ago" (she took most the furniture you see) so that they can come and see me! I pay my own rent (with the help of my friend) I pay my bills and I am strugling! But I will not take other peoples money by force!

I am in debt for "council tax" HA! I have saved them so much money by NOT taking their "benefits" yet now they hound me with baliffs! lol... I phoned the council and I told them this, they said you should go get the benefits... I say but it is receiving stolen goods!!! She says "I am confused about what you mean, it comes from the government, there is a pot allocated for this"...

Did you guys know the gov has a magic pot? And money springs forth from said pot XD hahahah

I asked her, but where does the government GET this money from? Are they in business? Do they MAKE money from some kind of business? Of course we all know they do not! They are the mafia and they TAKE money or else!

Let me tell you something... The OR ELSE, is the very definiton of TERRORISM! Look it up! Basically getting what you want by violence OR COERSION is TERRORISM!

Sometimes I feel I am lost, not connected to this world nor its "system"... But the moral side of me knows that this is a GOOD thing!

We live in a CRAZY world where up is down and wrong is right! I want no part of it! This SHOULD be my RIGHT! Yet of course I have TERRORISTS telling me otherwise!

EDIT: Holy crap that was a bit long, as you can tell I feel very strongly on this subject and I don't expect many of you to understand my stance, sorry for such a long post 0.o

Sorry, I have something else worthy of note!

TAX... Aren't they so clever to deceive you, let us tot up the very basics shall we...

If you are on a low wage

20% straight out your wages
National Insurance too which I have no doubt is near or over 10%

Current total 30%

You buy something Oh that'll be 20%! thank you very much!

Current total 50%

Oh you want to actually live in a house!!!

£90+ a month! For many this is another 5-10%

Current total 55-60%

My lord now you want to drive! 0.o

I am telling you, if you want to lead any kind of life they are taking 70% AT LEAST from you! Why the hell are people putting up with this? Is there any wonder WHY when people lose their jobs they NEED benefit? lmao

Tell you what just don't effing take my money in the first place and I will be a'okay... Deal? lmao

Right, I was setting up my surround sound in the back room (where my PC is) and ripped out the damn internet cable at the same time doh! Anyway, was testing the surround sound and chose youtube for speed and ease (after tethering with my phone)... And THIS is the first vid I clicked on... I had to post it XD

EDIT: oops must add, bad language, if your ears are sensitive, don't clicky! lol



I mean I don't agree with everything but hey, funny as hell all the same! XD

a reply to: Meee32

Spot on and horribly true, very talented work.

Serf, over 450 years of serfdom during which the Norman aristocracy were above the law and owned the people on there land, ie SLAVERY.

Serf the origin of the word Serve and Servant, ie SLAVE.

Freeman, someone born of the aristocracy or without a birth certificate (so the aristocracy does not have title deed to them), the city of london is a seperate state with it's own law's within the UK and anyone born in the city of london, not greater london only the city of london is a Freeman so long as they do not have a birth certificate, this is also why corporate and banking entity's use the city of london as they are not covered by law's that would cover them elsewhere.
A freeman does not have to pay a fine even if a court imposed it unless it is the high court and can simply ignore it.