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originally posted by: arrow60
lol... good one. At any rate, one's cognizant that in order for the NWO to occur, "they" must eliminate a majority of the unnecessary (alluded to by Henry Kissinger, etc.) "eaters".
originally posted by: beezzer
For the purpose of this thread, I will caveat that Global-Climate-Change is entirely man-made.
What do we do know?
China and India, 2 of the biggest criminals aren't going to do anything about their carbon output.
So what happens now?
My thoughts? Once Global-Climate-Change becomes universally accepted, there will be a call for a global, unifying government.
A one-world government to dictate and control the CO2 outputs so something could actually be done before it is all too late.
A hike in taxes won't really help.
We need a unifying control, a central authority to control the output of all the pollution destroying the planet.
Or I'm completely off base here.
So folks, what happens now?
You see it all the time when AGW proponents are arguing with non-AGW proponents in ATS (and all over the internet).... attempting to paint non-AGW proponents all under the same label of 'planet killers' and 'planet haters' and 'not caring about our kids futures', etc etc ad nauseum.
... and stop poking the hornet's nest.
Published on Oct 3, 2014 Many keep saying "the economy the economy" never realizing climate change is more imminent and will do far more damage than a collapsed economy ever would. In effect the scare of economy collapse is a mere smoke screen disguising greater truths. We are at the point that changes everything, we either become sustainable and force the death dealers to desist or find a new Planet. One is most certainly more simple than the other.
originally posted by: bbracken677
a reply to: mbkennel
First off, please try to use valid sources, if you are going to source or quote. Realclimate is no different than referring to Fox News for factual information. Sure, some of it is right on, but some of it is so biased it hurts.
From Harvard Edu:
Water vapor is the most important greenhouse gas in the earth's atmosphere.
Second, if you tell me I am wrong, you most definitely need to use a different source.
In the case of your remark about circular reasoning, you just take a gas law and insert the correct parameters. You know what the pressure will be at sea level, on average.
It is quite easy to calculate the temperature from the formula. You claim that is it circular logic... well then perhaps you should explain that to the various physicists who have proposed just that. If you like, I can post the formula and walk you through it.I have done so repeatedly in other threads.
Your remark about Milankovich cycles being irrelevant is spoken like a true layman.
They are not irrelevant but are the major players in climate change. Try asking someone who knows instead of mouthing the mantra. Milankovitch cycles affect how much sunlight strikes the earth. Its called insolence.
If you refuse to believe that insolence plays a part in climate change then we are done talking. I refuse to discuss science with morons.
See the last link at the bottom if you wish to learn about Milankovitch cycles. Irrelevant, eh? I rofl at that.
If GHG are such huge players, then please explain why ice ages have begun with co2 levels 10 and 16 times our current levels?
Please explain why, if co2 is the driver, then why do we come out of glaciation when co2 levels are at very low levels and why we enter glacial periods when co2 levels are at relatively higher levels? Perhaps you can explain why co2 levels lag behind temperature changes by 800-1000 years?
Swallow what they tell you, or think for yourself. I have a career of Geology, and before the current fad started it was known that co2 was a feedback, and not a cause of climate change.
You do know that as co2 levels increase the increase in GHE reduces logarythmically, right? In other words, double from 200 ppm to 400ppm results in a change in GHE of X...if you double it again, it most certainly is not 2X.
Want more? I have reserch papers out the yingyang, bud. Most are geological in nature, but they also call into question the role that co2 plays...or doesnt play, that is. Co2 is not the driver that is being foisted on us. Co2 is a feedback mechanism...this time around it is augmented by 3% contribution by man. Wont change the coming of the next glacial period, since all the players that contribute to glacials still exist. Most prominant is the layout of the continents and their blockage of currents.