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Nurse Fired for Refusing Flu Shot Sues Hospital, Federal and State Governments for $100,000,000

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posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 12:45 PM
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Who the $&@& cares about autism!!!!!! Come on! That's only one aspect of vaccines. The flu vaccine DOESN'T work!!!!! Every idiot for and against vaccines wants to argue the safety of vaccination.... Ok fine go argue like mindless children.... Leave the science and efficacy of vaccines to those of us that understand basic immunology and physiology! The antibodies produced by the flu vaccine produce IgG where as the antibodies naturally produced by the actual wild virus stimulates IgA! IgA is what research has shown a actually prevents throat colonization of influenza! The point is most vaccines may not only be unsafe but actually offer little if any protection. Moreover because vaccine immunity is not the same as naturally acquired immunity out children are less able to fight off naturally acquired disease and all the over vaccinated female children now will be passing on VERY little natural antibodies on to their offspring!!! So then we will all be unable to fight off natural disease and all have to rely on vaccines..... Hence see where this is going????? It doesn't take a genius to see we are destroying our perfectly evolved and robust immune systems! But yeah vaccines certainly without a doubt couldn't POSSIBLY cause autism!!!!! Lol idiots some pro-vaccine people are.




posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 12:51 PM
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originally posted by: GreenMtnBoys
Who the $&@& cares about autism!!!!!! Come on! That's only one aspect of vaccines. The flu vaccine DOESN'T work!!!!! Every idiot for and against vaccines wants to argue the safety of vaccination.... Ok fine go argue like mindless children.... Leave the science and efficacy of vaccines to those of us that understand basic immunology and physiology! The antibodies produced by the flu vaccine produce IgG where as the antibodies naturally produced by the actual wild virus stimulates IgA! IgA is what research has shown a actually prevents throat colonization of influenza! The point is most vaccines may not only be unsafe but actually offer little if any protection. Moreover because vaccine immunity is not the same as naturally acquired immunity out children are less able to fight off naturally acquired disease and all the over vaccinated female children now will be passing on VERY little natural antibodies on to their offspring!!! So then we will all be unable to fight off natural disease and all have to rely on vaccines..... Hence see where this is going????? It doesn't take a genius to see we are destroying our perfectly evolved and robust immune systems! But yeah vaccines certainly without a doubt couldn't POSSIBLY cause autism!!!!! Lol idiots some pro-vaccine people are.


I will have to say that I don't think you know as much as you believe you do.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 12:53 PM
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a reply to: Pardon?

Riiight, so what you keep saying is that the clinical research she has done on toxicity from substances "INCLUDING" adjuvants and ethylmercury doesn't count... Right?...

Such as ...


Breast Cancer Res Treat. 2005 Jul;92(2):151-6.

Patterns of toxicity in older patients with breast cancer receiving adjuvant chemotherapy.

Hurria A1, Brogan K, Panageas KS, Pearce C, Norton L, Jakubowski A, Zauderer M, Howard J, Hudis C.



Author information



Abstract

OBJECTIVE:

To retrospectively determine the relationship of age to toxicity from adjuvant chemotherapy for breast cancer.

DESIGN AND METHODS:

We identified 1,405 consecutive patients age 65 or older with primary invasive breast cancer who were seen at Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center from January 1998 to December 2000. Patients selected from this cohort for analysis were aged 65 or older at diagnosis; received their follow-up care at Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center; had stage I, II, or III breast cancer; and received adjuvant chemotherapy consisting of CMF (cyclophosphamide, methotrexate, and 5-fluorouracil), an anthracycline-based regimen (AC [doxorubicin and cyclophosphamide], or AC-T [AC and paclitaxel or docetaxel]). Exclusion criteria included prior chemotherapy or previous breast cancer.

RESULTS:

One hundred thirty-two patients were included in this study, with a mean age of 70 (range 65--79). Comorbidity measured by the Charlson comorbidity index was low: score 0 (83%), 1 (12%), 2 (5%); with stages: I(18%), IIA (41%), IIB (27%), IIIA (8%), IIIB (6%), T1Nx (1%). Patients receiving an anthracycline-based regimen were more likely to experience grade 3 or 4 toxicity (p=0. 01), require hospitalization, and/or develop febrile neutropenia Treatment delays due to myelosuppression occurred more frequently in patients receiving CMF. The type of chemotherapy regimen (anthracycline compared to CMF) was a better predictor for toxicity than increased age or comorbidity score.

CONCLUSIONS:

In this cohort of older patients with breast cancer, the risk for toxicity from adjuvant chemotherapy depended more on the type of regimen (anthracycline vs. CMF) than the patient's chronological age.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...


edit on 3-10-2014 by ElectricUniverse because: had to erase any mention of (p extra DIV



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 12:54 PM
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Oh and one other thing the mucosal areas of the body produce more IgA than any other area. Vaccine scientists are realizing that mucosal immunity is a key and probably the most important part of the human immune system. And guess what happens when you jab a needle right into the muscle? You're by passing this entire system. Lol but yeah we know more about the human body than millions of years of evolution ever could!



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 12:56 PM
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BTW, If I am discussing her expertise is to show that you are wrong and keep making false claims...

Now AGAIN, if you want to dismiss her expertise, and that of the other specialists then PROVE that you have published in ANY medical journal about the safety of said substances proving that you have the expertise necessary to proclaim Kelly Brogan among others can't be counted as an expert.

Other clinical research studies she has done includes...


Drugs Aging. 2005;22(9):785-91.

Effect of creatinine clearance on patterns of toxicity in older patients receiving adjuvant chemotherapy for breast cancer.

Hurria A1, Hurria A, Brogan K, Panageas KS, Pearce C, Norton L, Jakubowski A, Howard J, Hudis C.



Author information



Abstract

OBJECTIVE:

A number of age-related physiological changes contribute to an increased risk of toxicity of cancer chemotherapy in the elderly. One of the most important of these changes is the progressive decline in renal function with aging. We sought to determine the association between calculated creatinine clearance (CL(CR)) and grade 3 or 4 toxicities during adjuvant chemotherapy in women > or =65 years of age with breast cancer.

DESIGN AND METHODS:

We identified 1405 patients > or =65 years of age who had been treated for primary invasive breast cancer at Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center between January 1998 and December 2000. Patients were included in this analysis if they had stage I-III breast cancer and had received adjuvant chemotherapy. Patients were excluded if they had a prior history of breast cancer or chemotherapy, or had no baseline creatinine value available for review.

RESULTS:
...

CONCLUSIONS:

In this cohort of older breast cancer patients, a decreased CL(CR) and increased creatinine was associated with an increased risk of fever and neutropenia or haematological toxicity. CL(CR) should be considered when determining chemotherapy dosage in the elderly.
...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

She has done other similar clinical research studies.



edit on 3-10-2014 by ElectricUniverse because: had to delete part of abstract



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 12:57 PM
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originally posted by: Pardon?

originally posted by: GreenMtnBoys
Who the $&@& cares about autism!!!!!! Come on! That's only one aspect of vaccines. The flu vaccine DOESN'T work!!!!! Every idiot for and against vaccines wants to argue the safety of vaccination.... Ok fine go argue like mindless children.... Leave the science and efficacy of vaccines to those of us that understand basic immunology and physiology! The antibodies produced by the flu vaccine produce IgG where as the antibodies naturally produced by the actual wild virus stimulates IgA! IgA is what research has shown a actually prevents throat colonization of influenza! The point is most vaccines may not only be unsafe but actually offer little if any protection. Moreover because vaccine immunity is not the same as naturally acquired immunity out children are less able to fight off naturally acquired disease and all the over vaccinated female children now will be passing on VERY little natural antibodies on to their offspring!!! So then we will all be unable to fight off natural disease and all have to rely on vaccines..... Hence see where this is going????? It doesn't take a genius to see we are destroying our perfectly evolved and robust immune systems! But yeah vaccines certainly without a doubt couldn't POSSIBLY cause autism!!!!! Lol idiots some pro-vaccine people are.


I will have to say that I don't think you know as much as you believe you do.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...





Nobody gives the flu shot intranasally in most settings in the US genius! Hence my point! You can go research all the problems associated with giving vaccines intranasally as well. Maybe try picking up a basic physiology book instead of googling medical databases in order to come off as some sort of know it all. Research is just that research, studies can show one outcome in a research or clinical setting and show a completely different outcome in a real life setting or on a human being. How many drugs were proven safe in clinical trials approved by the FDA only decades later we realized how detrimental they are!!!!
edit on 3-10-2014 by GreenMtnBoys because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 01:05 PM
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originally posted by: GreenMtnBoys

originally posted by: Pardon?

originally posted by: GreenMtnBoys
Who the $&@& cares about autism!!!!!! Come on! That's only one aspect of vaccines. The flu vaccine DOESN'T work!!!!! Every idiot for and against vaccines wants to argue the safety of vaccination.... Ok fine go argue like mindless children.... Leave the science and efficacy of vaccines to those of us that understand basic immunology and physiology! The antibodies produced by the flu vaccine produce IgG where as the antibodies naturally produced by the actual wild virus stimulates IgA! IgA is what research has shown a actually prevents throat colonization of influenza! The point is most vaccines may not only be unsafe but actually offer little if any protection. Moreover because vaccine immunity is not the same as naturally acquired immunity out children are less able to fight off naturally acquired disease and all the over vaccinated female children now will be passing on VERY little natural antibodies on to their offspring!!! So then we will all be unable to fight off natural disease and all have to rely on vaccines..... Hence see where this is going????? It doesn't take a genius to see we are destroying our perfectly evolved and robust immune systems! But yeah vaccines certainly without a doubt couldn't POSSIBLY cause autism!!!!! Lol idiots some pro-vaccine people are.


I will have to say that I don't think you know as much as you believe you do.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...





Nobody gives the flu shot intranasally in most settings in the US genius! Hence my point!


Hopefully no-one anywhere gives the flu shot intranasally.
However, FluMist is used extensively in the US and other parts of the world which weakens your point quite a bit.



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 01:09 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
BTW, If I am discussing her expertise is to show that you are wrong and keep making false claims...

Now AGAIN, if you want to dismiss her expertise, and that of the other specialists then PROVE that you have published in ANY medical journal about the safety of said substances proving that you have the expertise necessary to proclaim Kelly Brogan among others can't be counted as an expert.

Other clinical research studies she has done includes...


Drugs Aging. 2005;22(9):785-91.

Effect of creatinine clearance on patterns of toxicity in older patients receiving adjuvant chemotherapy for breast cancer.

Hurria A1, Hurria A, Brogan K, Panageas KS, Pearce C, Norton L, Jakubowski A, Howard J, Hudis C.



Author information



Abstract

OBJECTIVE:

A number of age-related physiological changes contribute to an increased risk of toxicity of cancer chemotherapy in the elderly. One of the most important of these changes is the progressive decline in renal function with aging. We sought to determine the association between calculated creatinine clearance (CL(CR)) and grade 3 or 4 toxicities during adjuvant chemotherapy in women > or =65 years of age with breast cancer.

DESIGN AND METHODS:

We identified 1405 patients > or =65 years of age who had been treated for primary invasive breast cancer at Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center between January 1998 and December 2000. Patients were included in this analysis if they had stage I-III breast cancer and had received adjuvant chemotherapy. Patients were excluded if they had a prior history of breast cancer or chemotherapy, or had no baseline creatinine value available for review.

RESULTS:
...

CONCLUSIONS:

In this cohort of older breast cancer patients, a decreased CL(CR) and increased creatinine was associated with an increased risk of fever and neutropenia or haematological toxicity. CL(CR) should be considered when determining chemotherapy dosage in the elderly.
...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

She has done other similar clinical research studies.




Only in your mind is chemotherapy the same as vaccinations.

Show me the research she's had published on vaccines or immunology.

And I'll ask you again, what qualifies her to be an expert on vaccines?
How has this expertise been quantified and verified?



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 01:10 PM
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originally posted by: Pardon?

Hopefully no-one anywhere gives the flu shot intranasally.
However, FluMist is used extensively in the US and other parts of the world which weakens your point quite a bit.


What the hell... Your point has been that VACCINES are safe despite evidence to the contrary, apart from your claims that only "you" can tell who can count as an expert.

Just because "people can get flu shot intranasally" doesn't make "VACCINES SAFE"...
edit on 3-10-2014 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 01:10 PM
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a reply to: GreenMtnBoys

You discussing about Flu Vaccine or ALL vaccine ever produced?

Idiots are the people that blame Autism on Vaccine with bias research articles. Then again the initial cause for the whole Vaccine = autism was a retarded journalist who made a mistake, so no doubt people that follow that are mislead.

All these Anti-vaxxers are riding is the "fear of the unknown".. once the seed is planted, X might cause Y, then even if its proven safe, they would still fear it.

Yeah, lets see people fight Polio and tetnus naturally, some disease are rarely defeated by our immune system, if Polio or Tetnus or Pertussis or Diptheria were to be left for the body to deal with(and not cured and eradicated by vaccines) we would not have this many people alive today.
edit on 10/3/2014 by luciddream because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 01:12 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: Pardon?

Riiight, so what you keep saying is that the clinical research she has done on toxicity from substances such as adjuvants and ethylmercury doesn't count... Right?...

Such as ...


Breast Cancer Res Treat. 2005 Jul;92(2):151-6.

Patterns of toxicity in older patients with breast cancer receiving adjuvant chemotherapy.

Hurria A1, Brogan K, Panageas KS, Pearce C, Norton L, Jakubowski A, Zauderer M, Howard J, Hudis C.



Author information



Abstract

OBJECTIVE:

To retrospectively determine the relationship of age to toxicity from adjuvant chemotherapy for breast cancer.

DESIGN AND METHODS:

We identified 1,405 consecutive patients age 65 or older with primary invasive breast cancer who were seen at Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center from January 1998 to December 2000. Patients selected from this cohort for analysis were aged 65 or older at diagnosis; received their follow-up care at Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center; had stage I, II, or III breast cancer; and received adjuvant chemotherapy consisting of CMF (cyclophosphamide, methotrexate, and 5-fluorouracil), an anthracycline-based regimen (AC [doxorubicin and cyclophosphamide], or AC-T [AC and paclitaxel or docetaxel]). Exclusion criteria included prior chemotherapy or previous breast cancer.

RESULTS:

One hundred thirty-two patients were included in this study, with a mean age of 70 (range 65--79). Comorbidity measured by the Charlson comorbidity index was low: score 0 (83%), 1 (12%), 2 (5%); with stages: I(18%), IIA (41%), IIB (27%), IIIA (8%), IIIB (6%), T1Nx (1%). Patients receiving an anthracycline-based regimen were more likely to experience grade 3 or 4 toxicity (p=0. 01), require hospitalization, and/or develop febrile neutropenia Treatment delays due to myelosuppression occurred more frequently in patients receiving CMF. The type of chemotherapy regimen (anthracycline compared to CMF) was a better predictor for toxicity than increased age or comorbidity score.

CONCLUSIONS:

In this cohort of older patients with breast cancer, the risk for toxicity from adjuvant chemotherapy depended more on the type of regimen (anthracycline vs. CMF) than the patient's chronological age.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...



What substance is an adjuvant?
You don't know what adjuvant means in respect to chemo do you?
You've just seen the word and thought it was the same thing as adjuvants in vaccines.

You're looking very silly now.



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 01:14 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Pardon?

Hopefully no-one anywhere gives the flu shot intranasally.
However, FluMist is used extensively in the US and other parts of the world which weakens your point quite a bit.


What the hell... Your point has been that VACCINES are safe despite evidence to the contrary, apart from your claims that only "you" can tell who can count as an expert.

Just because "people can get flu shot intranasally" doesn't make "VACCINES SAFE"...


The science shows they're safe.
Just because your belief system gets in the way of understanding that science doesn't make them unsafe.



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 01:15 PM
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originally posted by: Pardon?

originally posted by: GreenMtnBoys

originally posted by: Pardon?

originally posted by: GreenMtnBoys
Who the $&@& cares about autism!!!!!! Come on! That's only one aspect of vaccines. The flu vaccine DOESN'T work!!!!! Every idiot for and against vaccines wants to argue the safety of vaccination.... Ok fine go argue like mindless children.... Leave the science and efficacy of vaccines to those of us that understand basic immunology and physiology! The antibodies produced by the flu vaccine produce IgG where as the antibodies naturally produced by the actual wild virus stimulates IgA! IgA is what research has shown a actually prevents throat colonization of influenza! The point is most vaccines may not only be unsafe but actually offer little if any protection. Moreover because vaccine immunity is not the same as naturally acquired immunity out children are less able to fight off naturally acquired disease and all the over vaccinated female children now will be passing on VERY little natural antibodies on to their offspring!!! So then we will all be unable to fight off natural disease and all have to rely on vaccines..... Hence see where this is going????? It doesn't take a genius to see we are destroying our perfectly evolved and robust immune systems! But yeah vaccines certainly without a doubt couldn't POSSIBLY cause autism!!!!! Lol idiots some pro-vaccine people are.


I will have to say that I don't think you know as much as you believe you do.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...





Nobody gives the flu shot intranasally in most settings in the US genius! Hence my point!


Hopefully no-one anywhere gives the flu shot intranasally.
However, FluMist is used extensively in the US and other parts of the world which weakens your point quite a bit.


Ha! Flumist has been around for 10+ years and it's hardly used "extensively" in most US healthcare settings. Your little research article never mentioned how much IgA levels were raised.

Why do people like you so blindly believe in vaccines and vaccine science? Seriously, that's what I don't get. The history, science, efficacy, safety, etc is so tenuous at best but people like you act like Jesus himself exclaimed vaccines as the word of god! Lol every single other aspect of drugs, science, etc. many of which has more convincing historical and medical perspectives surrounding them yet you cling to vaccines like they are some sort of holy grail. I'm not against vaccines or vaccine science. I just don't think we should be jabbing our children and babies with umpteen million vaccines by the time they are teenagers. But people like you act like vaccines are a cure all for everything inflicting human beings. Lol



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 01:16 PM
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originally posted by: Pardon?

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Pardon?

Hopefully no-one anywhere gives the flu shot intranasally.
However, FluMist is used extensively in the US and other parts of the world which weakens your point quite a bit.


What the hell... Your point has been that VACCINES are safe despite evidence to the contrary, apart from your claims that only "you" can tell who can count as an expert.

Just because "people can get flu shot intranasally" doesn't make "VACCINES SAFE"...


The science shows they're safe.
Just because your belief system gets in the way of understanding that science doesn't make them unsafe.


Science showed many drugs were safe and only now are we realizing just how unsafe they really are. Even an iconic drug like Tylenol has gone through major guideline revisions recently because of safety. Safety is a relative term.



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 01:18 PM
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a reply to: GreenMtnBoys




I'm not against vaccines or vaccine science. I just don't think we should be jabbing our children and babies with umpteen million vaccines by the time they are teenagers. But people like you act like vaccines are a cure all for everything inflicting human beings. Lol


No one here that are pro vaccine suggesting we jab babies with millions of shots.



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 01:19 PM
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originally posted by: Pardon?


What substance is an adjuvant?
You don't know what adjuvant means in respect to chemo do you?
You've just seen the word and thought it was the same thing as adjuvants in vaccines.

You're looking very silly now.



substance


Any material that possesses physical properties is called a substance. The word also refers to the gist or main idea of something. If you remember the main point of a lesson, you've got the substance.

www.vocabulary.com...

Creatinine is a chemical waste, a substance, a breakdown product of creatine phosphate in muscle...



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 01:27 PM
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originally posted by: luciddream
a reply to: GreenMtnBoys

You discussing about Flu Vaccine or ALL vaccine ever produced?

Idiots are the people that blame Autism on Vaccine with bias research articles. Then again the initial cause for the whole Vaccine = autism was a retarded journalist who made a mistake, so no doubt people that follow that are mislead.

All these Anti-vaxxers are riding is the "fear of the unknown".. once the seed is planted, X might cause Y, then even if its proven safe, they would still fear it.

Yeah, lets see people fight Polio and tetnus naturally, some disease are rarely defeated by our immune system, if Polio or Tetnus or Pertussis or Diptheria were to be left for the body to deal with(and not cured and eradicated by vaccines) we would not have this many people alive today.


Lol please I'm not about to open that can of worms. The biggest most influential mitigators of all the diseases you just mentioned was sanitation and nutrition not vaccines! That is not just scientific fact but historical fact as well. Go read the Jungle by Upton Sinclair. Most ignorant people like yourself who claim vaccines saved humanity from the brink of wipeout have very little knowledge about how filthy early Americans were and in complete squalor they lived in up until the massive economic changes in the 40s and 50s.

People in the late 1800s and early 1900s were rampantly practicing intramural burial in their homes in cities all over the country. Little known fact! Look it up!



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 01:28 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Pardon?


What substance is an adjuvant?
You don't know what adjuvant means in respect to chemo do you?
You've just seen the word and thought it was the same thing as adjuvants in vaccines.

You're looking very silly now.



substance


Any material that possesses physical properties is called a substance. The word also refers to the gist or main idea of something. If you remember the main point of a lesson, you've got the substance.

www.vocabulary.com...

Creatinine is a chemical waste, a substance, a breakdown product of creatine phosphate in muscle...





< sigh >
And what does it have to do with vaccines?



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 01:31 PM
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originally posted by: Pardon?

Only in your mind is chemotherapy the same as vaccinations.

Show me the research she's had published on vaccines or immunology.

And I'll ask you again, what qualifies her to be an expert on vaccines?
How has this expertise been quantified and verified?


I see, and you are right, I made a mistake in my description. Guess what, I can admit when I make a mistake, can you do the same?... I am guessing not, you are going to keep proclaiming that she can't be counted as an expert...

AGAIN, how about YOU show us prove of YOUR research being posted in medical journals?...

I am waiting...



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 01:31 PM
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originally posted by: luciddream
a reply to: GreenMtnBoys




I'm not against vaccines or vaccine science. I just don't think we should be jabbing our children and babies with umpteen million vaccines by the time they are teenagers. But people like you act like vaccines are a cure all for everything inflicting human beings. Lol


No one here that are pro vaccine suggesting we jab babies with millions of shots.


Why not? If they are as safe as you say who cares? Hell lets start jabbing babies with vaccines to prevent the common cold? I mean after all why not prevent our kids from catching anything? And the point is WE ARE jabbing our babies and children with 30+ shots before they turn 16! Dr. Offit is on record saying its perfectly safe to jab kids with 1000s of vaccines without side effects or danger. Lol he's a doctor!!! You're not!
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