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Nurse Fired for Refusing Flu Shot Sues Hospital, Federal and State Governments for $100,000,000

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posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 08:17 AM
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a reply to: Pardon?

You haven't debunked anything, you only have posted your opinion and the opinions of another person plus a couple of studies which do not take into account the fact that manufacturing companies can, and do change the ingredients they use in the same vaccine in different batches which again will skew the results from a study that does not take this fact, among others into account.

Then again, to you, and others like you it won't matter how many research papers contradict your opinion. You have already made up your mind and no matter what you are sticking to "your opinion".




posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 08:30 AM
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a reply to: Pardon?

BTW, as to your claim that "vaccines no longer have thimerosal" which I clearly proved is false since there all multiple dose flu vaccines that still use thimerosal and are given to children and adults. There is another point that has to be brought up.

Apparently, as a concerned mother found out after exchanging emails with the CDC and FDA, not even officials from these agencies can confirm that they verify the claim made by vaccine manufacturers that thimerosal has been reduced from the vaccines they claim that thimerosal has been mostly removed using a purification method...


EMAILS FROM CDC AND FDA ON VACCINES AND MERCURY

By Twyla Ramos

Has Mercury Really Been Removed from Vaccines?

Last month I emailed the CDC to ask this question:

From: Twyla Ramos
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 1:19 AM
To: CDC Public Inquiry
Subject: mercury in vaccines

I understand that thimerosal is no longer used as a preservative in most vaccines, except for most flu shots and vaccines shipped to other countries.

But, I believe I heard someone say that mercury is still used in the vaccine manufacturing process, but it is removed and only "trace" amounts remain in the finished vaccines.

Can you confirm whether or not there is any mercury used in the manufacture of thimerosal-free vaccines? If the above statement is true, how much is a "trace"?
...
Ms. Harley responded:
From: Harley, Patricia
To: Twyla Ramos
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 8:35 AM
Subject: RE: "Trace" amounts of Thimerosal in vaccines

Please call me.

Sincerely,
Patricia H. Harley
Consumer Safety Officer
Food and Drug Administration
Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research
Office of Communication, Training and Manufacturers Assistance
Division of Communication and Consumer Affairs
phone: 301-827-2000


So, I tried calling Ms. Harley again, and this time I reached her. She continued to make general statements about validating the manufacturing process. She said the following:

She does not know whether a company does a specific test.

• They cannot check every single vaccine. (Like, duh.)

• There is a lot release requirement. The company submits testing procedures and samples. The FDA verifies that the product is safe, pure, potent, functioning.

She can't guarantee that there is a test for mercury.

She is not sure whether the FDA is measuring the mercury content. They check the process. "We have the understanding that this has been done, that the manufacturer has done it. I doubt if any company would be trying to get away with that. The consequences are major for any violations. If the product does not conform to specifications it would be unlicensed product."

I really tried to get her to be more specific. I gave the example of, if you gave a person a recipe to bake a cake, and you wanted to see if it came out well, wouldn't you taste the cake, and look at it to see if it is mushy or burned? "The proof is in the pudding." It's not enough for the person just to verify that they bought the right ingredients and measured them and set the oven at 350 degrees.

She suggested that I check with state agencies.

So, in summary, neither the CDC nor the FDA could or would say that they are testing to be sure that the process of removing mercury from vaccines is working.

Why should they test for mercury? They don't believe that thimerosal is harmful. It is admittedly still being used in the vaccine manufacturing process, but then supposedly is being purified out. If the purification process is not actually working, why should the CDC and the FDA care? They don't believe thimerosal is harmful.
...

www.ageofautism.com...

That despite the latest scandal from a certain vaccine manufacturer that again...



Lawrence Solomon


Columnist


Merck Has Some Explaining To Do Over Its MMR Vaccine Claims


Posted: 09/25/2014 5:29 pm EDT Updated: 09/27/2014 5:59 pm EDT

Merck, the pharmaceutical giant, is facing a slew of controversies over its Measles-Mumps-Rubella (MMR) vaccine following numerous allegations of wrongdoing from different parties in the medical field, including two former Merck scientists-turned-whistleblowers. A third whistleblower, this one a scientist at the Centers for Disease Control, also promises to bring Merck grief following his confession of misconduct involving the same MMR vaccine.
...
According to the whistleblowers' court documents, Merck's misconduct was far-ranging: It "failed to disclose that its mumps vaccine was not as effective as Merck represented, (ii) used improper testing techniques, (iii) manipulated testing methodology, (iv) abandoned undesirable test results, (v) falsified test data, (vi) failed to adequately investigate and report the diminished efficacy of its mumps vaccine, (vii) falsely verified that each manufacturing lot of mumps vaccine would be as effective as identified in the labeling, (viii) falsely certified the accuracy of applications filed with the FDA, (ix) falsely certified compliance with the terms of the CDC purchase contract, (x) engaged in the fraud and concealment describe herein for the purpose of illegally monopolizing the U.S. market for mumps vaccine, (xi) mislabeled, misbranded, and falsely certified its mumps vaccine, and (xii) engaged in the other acts described herein to conceal the diminished efficacy of the vaccine the government was purchasing."
...

www.huffingtonpost.ca...

But don't believe the dozens of research papers that say the contrary to "Pardon's instincts"... Who needs research when you have "Pardon's instincts"?... WOOOT!!!!

And according to "Pardon" a neurologist cannot for the life of her, alongside many other medical specialists comprehend the effects of substances such as ethylmercury(thimerosal) in the nervous system and the brain... WOOT!!!









edit on 3-10-2014 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 08:31 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse


originally posted by: Pardon?
The last part you linked to has nothing to do with the buffered salt solutions used in preparation.
IT SAYS WHAT IT IS IN THE TITLE OF THE LINK YOU POSTED.
Again, you don't read very well and pay no attention to detail (what was it? Did you just see the word "buffer" and think it was the same thing?).


No, it's called mislabeling and misrepresentation of the ingredients used by manufacturers. Manufacturers, including vaccine manufacturers try to save money any way they can and because of this mislabels and misrepresentation of the ingredients they use, or/and the ingredients present in the vaccine can and does occur even if it doesn't happen regularly. Sometimes it is due to just human error.

I even tried to hint it by posting some of the ingredients a couple of manufacturers state they use.

Let me be more clear.


PRESS RELEASE - FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
August 12, 2004
Health Advocacy in the Public Interest (HAPI)
Contact: Dawn Winkler 970-641-7413

Vaccines Are Not Mercury Free

After much public controversy surrounding the mercury content of childhood vaccinations, Health Advocacy in the Public Interest (HAPI) raised $500 to have four vaccines tested for heavy metal content.
The vials were sent to Doctor's Data, an independent lab which specializes in heavy metal testing.


Many manufacturers voluntarily began producing supposed "mercury free" vaccines in 1999. Some product inserts currently claim that a "trace" amount of mercury still exists in the final product but that the amount has been greatly reduced. Others claim to be producing completely mercury free products.

During an investigation into the mercury issue, HAPI learned that Thimerosal, a 50% mercury compound, is still being used to produce
most vaccines and that the manufacturers are simply "filtering it out" of the final product. However, according to Boyd Haley, PhD,
Chemistry Department Chair, University of Kentucky, mercury binds to the antigenic protein in the vaccine and cannot be completely, 100%
filtered out.


All four vaccine vials tested contained mercury despite manufacturer claims that two of the vials were completely mercury free. All four vials also contained aluminum, one nine times more than the other three, which tremendously enhances the toxicity of mercury causing neuronal death in the brain.

The mercury content of routine childhood vaccinations has been linked to the current autism epidemic as well as numerous other neurological disorders affecting children today. Currently, one in six children are affected in some way and one in 250 children are diagnosed as autistic compared to one in 10,000 prior to mercury containing vaccines.
...

www.whale.to...

Then there is the fact that despite claims that the FDA monitors for vaccines are 100% effective, this is simply not true. The FDA is an agency made up of people, and guess what? PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES...

The FDA is supposed to test samples of each vaccine before they can be distributed by manufacturers. But in fact the same manufacturer can have different batches of the same vaccine that not only have different ingredients but that can be contaminated and are only caught after distribution and after people get infected.


Rotavirus Vaccine – What’s a Parent To Do?

Susan Drury Oct 5th, 2010

“Pediatricians Want Kids to Get Rotavirus Vaccine” were headlines in The Vancouver Sun this week and it was an interesting read, particularly in the wake of the huge recall of Glaxo-Smith-Kline’s rotavirus vaccine Rotarix last year in the US, when it was discovered to have been contaminated with a pig virus – discovered only after the vaccine had been injected into over one million children in the US alone. While officials quickly reassured the public that this virus is benign in humans, such reassurances are not backed by any concrete evidence – there are no scientific studies showing what happens when this virus is injected and resides in a human body over the course of a lifetime.
...

www.vancouverobserver.com...


Wrong again.
You're good at being wrong, I'll give you that.

You're also good at making things up to try to prove a point.
Why would the manufacturers add compounds to vaccines to "save money"?
Do you understand what a trace amount is?
You've not thought this through properly have you?

Then you quote an industrial chemist, not a medic nor a biochemist nor a pharmacist (who just happens to sell chemicals to allegedly remove mercury from the body) saying that mercury is still present.
You still haven't got the hang of the mercury salt vs elemental mercury have you?
Although I think the chemist has. That's why he sells it to gullibles like you.





"The FDA monitors for vaccines are 100% effective"
Now I have to guess at what that means as your sentence didn't make much sense.
As far as I'm aware, the only people who say that vaccines are meant to be 100% effective are anti-vaxxers.
No medication (nor pretty much anything else) is 100% effective and yes, there will be mistakes which is why now and again there will be recalls.
The recall you mention was a preventative measure after traces of DNA from a virus, not as the report says (which was written by a homeopath in typical scare-mongering style) which was harmless.


Oh, there isn't an autism epidemic. It's not a disease.
www.autcom.org...



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 08:33 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: Pardon?

You haven't debunked anything, you only have posted your opinion and the opinions of another person plus a couple of studies which do not take into account the fact that manufacturing companies can, and do change the ingredients they use in the same vaccine in different batches which again will skew the results from a study that does not take this fact, among others into account.

Then again, to you, and others like you it won't matter how many research papers contradict your opinion. You have already made up your mind and no matter what you are sticking to "your opinion".





Wrong.
They've been shown why they can't be used as evidence.
If you don't accept that then that's your prerogative but it's only a pretence on your part.



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 08:37 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

A Case-Control Study of Mercury Burden in Children with Autistic Spectrum Disorders

Jeff Bradstreet, M.D.
DavidA. Geier, B.A.
Jerold J. Kartzinel, M.D.
James B.Adams, Ph.D.
MarkR. Geier, M.D., Ph.D.
Background
ABSTRACT

Large autism epidemics have recently been reported in the United States and the United Kingdom. Emerging epidemiologic
evidence and biologic plausibility suggest an association between autistic spectrum disorders and mercury exposure.
This study compares mercury excretion after a three-day treatment with an oral chelating agent, meso-2,3- dimercaptosuccinic acid (DMSA), in children with autistic spectrum disorders and a matched control population. Overall, urinary mercury concentrations were significantly higher in 221 children with autistic spectrum disorders than in 18 normal controls (Relative Increase (RI)=3.15; P < 0.0002). Additionally, vaccinated cases showed a significantly higher urinary mercury concentration than did vaccinated controls (RI=5.94; P < 0.005). Similar urinary mercury concentrations were observed among matched vaccinated and unvaccinated controls, and no association was found between urinary cadmium or lead concentrations and autistic spectrum disorders.
The observed urinary concentrations of mercury could plausibly have resulted from thimerosal in childhood vaccines, although other environmental sources and thimerosal in Rh (D) immune globulin administered to mothers may be contributory.
Regardless of the mechanism by which children with autistic spectrum disorders have high urinary mercury concentrations, the MSA treatment described in this study might be useful to diagnose their present burden of mercury.
...

Recent studies have analyzed the prevalence of autism from the mid-1980s through 2002 in the United States and the United Kingdom. ]The prevalence of autism is estimated to have risen from one in about 2,500 children in the mid-1980s to as common as one in 150 by 2002. Further, since all of these studies find the prevalence of autism in males to be four times that of females, the male prevalence of this disorder exceeds one in 100. These studies show that the rise in the prevalence in autism is genuine and not the result of population migration, differences in diagnostic criteria, or other potential confounders.
In 2001, the Institute of Medicine (IOM) of the United States National Academy of Sciences determined that a link between mercury from thimerosal contained in childhood vaccines and the recent dramatic increase in neurodevelopment disorders is biologically plausible. Recent studies demonstrate a strong epidemiologic link between exposure to mercury from thimerosal contained in childhood vaccines and neurodevelopment disorders.
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www.vaccinationnews.org...


www.iom.edu...
www.iflscience.com...

The Geiers business is lying to parents telling them that they can cure autism by removing mercury from them.



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 08:40 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: Pardon?

BTW, as to your claim that "vaccines no longer have thimerosal" which I clearly proved is false since there all multiple dose flu vaccines that still use thimerosal and are given to children and adults. There is another point that has to be brought up.

Apparently, as a concerned mother found out after exchanging emails with the CDC and FDA, not even officials from these agencies can confirm that they verify the claim made by vaccine manufacturers that thimerosal has been reduced from the vaccines they claim that thimerosal has been mostly removed using a purification method...


EMAILS FROM CDC AND FDA ON VACCINES AND MERCURY

By Twyla Ramos

Has Mercury Really Been Removed from Vaccines?

Last month I emailed the CDC to ask this question:

From: Twyla Ramos
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 1:19 AM
To: CDC Public Inquiry
Subject: mercury in vaccines

I understand that thimerosal is no longer used as a preservative in most vaccines, except for most flu shots and vaccines shipped to other countries.

But, I believe I heard someone say that mercury is still used in the vaccine manufacturing process, but it is removed and only "trace" amounts remain in the finished vaccines.

Can you confirm whether or not there is any mercury used in the manufacture of thimerosal-free vaccines? If the above statement is true, how much is a "trace"?
...
Ms. Harley responded:
From: Harley, Patricia
To: Twyla Ramos
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 8:35 AM
Subject: RE: "Trace" amounts of Thimerosal in vaccines

Please call me.

Sincerely,
Patricia H. Harley
Consumer Safety Officer
Food and Drug Administration
Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research
Office of Communication, Training and Manufacturers Assistance
Division of Communication and Consumer Affairs
phone: 301-827-2000


So, I tried calling Ms. Harley again, and this time I reached her. She continued to make general statements about validating the manufacturing process. She said the following:

She does not know whether a company does a specific test.

• They cannot check every single vaccine. (Like, duh.)

• There is a lot release requirement. The company submits testing procedures and samples. The FDA verifies that the product is safe, pure, potent, functioning.

She can't guarantee that there is a test for mercury.

She is not sure whether the FDA is measuring the mercury content. They check the process. "We have the understanding that this has been done, that the manufacturer has done it. I doubt if any company would be trying to get away with that. The consequences are major for any violations. If the product does not conform to specifications it would be unlicensed product."

I really tried to get her to be more specific. I gave the example of, if you gave a person a recipe to bake a cake, and you wanted to see if it came out well, wouldn't you taste the cake, and look at it to see if it is mushy or burned? "The proof is in the pudding." It's not enough for the person just to verify that they bought the right ingredients and measured them and set the oven at 350 degrees.

She suggested that I check with state agencies.

So, in summary, neither the CDC nor the FDA could or would say that they are testing to be sure that the process of removing mercury from vaccines is working.

Why should they test for mercury? They don't believe that thimerosal is harmful. It is admittedly still being used in the vaccine manufacturing process, but then supposedly is being purified out. If the purification process is not actually working, why should the CDC and the FDA care? They don't believe thimerosal is harmful.
...

www.ageofautism.com...

That despite the latest scandal from a certain vaccine manufacturer that again...



Lawrence Solomon


Columnist


Merck Has Some Explaining To Do Over Its MMR Vaccine Claims


Posted: 09/25/2014 5:29 pm EDT Updated: 09/27/2014 5:59 pm EDT

Merck, the pharmaceutical giant, is facing a slew of controversies over its Measles-Mumps-Rubella (MMR) vaccine following numerous allegations of wrongdoing from different parties in the medical field, including two former Merck scientists-turned-whistleblowers. A third whistleblower, this one a scientist at the Centers for Disease Control, also promises to bring Merck grief following his confession of misconduct involving the same MMR vaccine.
...
According to the whistleblowers' court documents, Merck's misconduct was far-ranging: It "failed to disclose that its mumps vaccine was not as effective as Merck represented, (ii) used improper testing techniques, (iii) manipulated testing methodology, (iv) abandoned undesirable test results, (v) falsified test data, (vi) failed to adequately investigate and report the diminished efficacy of its mumps vaccine, (vii) falsely verified that each manufacturing lot of mumps vaccine would be as effective as identified in the labeling, (viii) falsely certified the accuracy of applications filed with the FDA, (ix) falsely certified compliance with the terms of the CDC purchase contract, (x) engaged in the fraud and concealment describe herein for the purpose of illegally monopolizing the U.S. market for mumps vaccine, (xi) mislabeled, misbranded, and falsely certified its mumps vaccine, and (xii) engaged in the other acts described herein to conceal the diminished efficacy of the vaccine the government was purchasing."
...

www.huffingtonpost.ca...

But don't believe the dozens of research papers that say the contrary to "Pardon's instincts"... Who needs research when you have "Pardon's instincts"?... WOOOT!!!!

And according to "Pardon" a neurologist cannot for the life of her, alongside many other medical specialists comprehend the effects of substances such as ethylmercury(thimerosal) in the nervous system and the brain... WOOT!!!


Wow, you're using an alleged email exchange as proof of science.
Well done, you've regressed back to the dark ages.

And here's the low-down on the "whistle-blower" nonsense.
(Will you read it though? My guess is you won't).
www.harpocratesspeaks.com...



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 08:44 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: Pardon?

You haven't debunked anything, you only have posted your opinion and the opinions of another person plus a couple of studies which do not take into account the fact that manufacturing companies can, and do change the ingredients they use in the same vaccine in different batches which again will skew the results from a study that does not take this fact, among others into account.

Then again, to you, and others like you it won't matter how many research papers contradict your opinion. You have already made up your mind and no matter what you are sticking to "your opinion".



It may be more useful if you repeat the highlighted text to yourself whilst you look in a mirror.
No. of studies showing no relationship for autism and vaccines equals many.
No. of studies showing that vaccines cause autism equals precisely zero. Nada. Zilch.



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 08:47 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: Pardon?

BTW, as to your claim that "vaccines no longer have thimerosal" which I clearly proved is false since there all multiple dose flu vaccines that still use thimerosal and are given to children and adults. There is another point that has to be brought up.

Apparently, as a concerned mother found out after exchanging emails with the CDC and FDA, not even officials from these agencies can confirm that they verify the claim made by vaccine manufacturers that thimerosal has been reduced from the vaccines they claim that thimerosal has been mostly removed using a purification method...


EMAILS FROM CDC AND FDA ON VACCINES AND MERCURY

By Twyla Ramos

Has Mercury Really Been Removed from Vaccines?

Last month I emailed the CDC to ask this question:

From: Twyla Ramos
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 1:19 AM
To: CDC Public Inquiry
Subject: mercury in vaccines

I understand that thimerosal is no longer used as a preservative in most vaccines, except for most flu shots and vaccines shipped to other countries.

But, I believe I heard someone say that mercury is still used in the vaccine manufacturing process, but it is removed and only "trace" amounts remain in the finished vaccines.

Can you confirm whether or not there is any mercury used in the manufacture of thimerosal-free vaccines? If the above statement is true, how much is a "trace"?
...
Ms. Harley responded:
From: Harley, Patricia
To: Twyla Ramos
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 8:35 AM
Subject: RE: "Trace" amounts of Thimerosal in vaccines

Please call me.

Sincerely,
Patricia H. Harley
Consumer Safety Officer
Food and Drug Administration
Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research
Office of Communication, Training and Manufacturers Assistance
Division of Communication and Consumer Affairs
phone: 301-827-2000


So, I tried calling Ms. Harley again, and this time I reached her. She continued to make general statements about validating the manufacturing process. She said the following:

She does not know whether a company does a specific test.

• They cannot check every single vaccine. (Like, duh.)

• There is a lot release requirement. The company submits testing procedures and samples. The FDA verifies that the product is safe, pure, potent, functioning.

She can't guarantee that there is a test for mercury.

She is not sure whether the FDA is measuring the mercury content. They check the process. "We have the understanding that this has been done, that the manufacturer has done it. I doubt if any company would be trying to get away with that. The consequences are major for any violations. If the product does not conform to specifications it would be unlicensed product."

I really tried to get her to be more specific. I gave the example of, if you gave a person a recipe to bake a cake, and you wanted to see if it came out well, wouldn't you taste the cake, and look at it to see if it is mushy or burned? "The proof is in the pudding." It's not enough for the person just to verify that they bought the right ingredients and measured them and set the oven at 350 degrees.

She suggested that I check with state agencies.

So, in summary, neither the CDC nor the FDA could or would say that they are testing to be sure that the process of removing mercury from vaccines is working.

Why should they test for mercury? They don't believe that thimerosal is harmful. It is admittedly still being used in the vaccine manufacturing process, but then supposedly is being purified out. If the purification process is not actually working, why should the CDC and the FDA care? They don't believe thimerosal is harmful.
...

www.ageofautism.com...

That despite the latest scandal from a certain vaccine manufacturer that again...



Lawrence Solomon


Columnist


Merck Has Some Explaining To Do Over Its MMR Vaccine Claims


Posted: 09/25/2014 5:29 pm EDT Updated: 09/27/2014 5:59 pm EDT

Merck, the pharmaceutical giant, is facing a slew of controversies over its Measles-Mumps-Rubella (MMR) vaccine following numerous allegations of wrongdoing from different parties in the medical field, including two former Merck scientists-turned-whistleblowers. A third whistleblower, this one a scientist at the Centers for Disease Control, also promises to bring Merck grief following his confession of misconduct involving the same MMR vaccine.
...
According to the whistleblowers' court documents, Merck's misconduct was far-ranging: It "failed to disclose that its mumps vaccine was not as effective as Merck represented, (ii) used improper testing techniques, (iii) manipulated testing methodology, (iv) abandoned undesirable test results, (v) falsified test data, (vi) failed to adequately investigate and report the diminished efficacy of its mumps vaccine, (vii) falsely verified that each manufacturing lot of mumps vaccine would be as effective as identified in the labeling, (viii) falsely certified the accuracy of applications filed with the FDA, (ix) falsely certified compliance with the terms of the CDC purchase contract, (x) engaged in the fraud and concealment describe herein for the purpose of illegally monopolizing the U.S. market for mumps vaccine, (xi) mislabeled, misbranded, and falsely certified its mumps vaccine, and (xii) engaged in the other acts described herein to conceal the diminished efficacy of the vaccine the government was purchasing."
...

www.huffingtonpost.ca...

But don't believe the dozens of research papers that say the contrary to "Pardon's instincts"... Who needs research when you have "Pardon's instincts"?... WOOOT!!!!

And according to "Pardon" a neurologist cannot for the life of her, alongside many other medical specialists comprehend the effects of substances such as ethylmercury(thimerosal) in the nervous system and the brain... WOOT!!!


If they do the research proving what they say then I'll happily change what I know.
I won't hold my breath though.



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 08:49 AM
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Breathing causes Autism...

Looking at sun causes Autism...

Talking causes Autism...


If you dont understand yet, what i am saying is that saying "vaccine is the reason for autism" holds the same merit as the ones above.



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 08:54 AM
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a reply to: Pardon?

Right, right... More claims that all those studies are wrong. Stop regurgitating your lies please. I have presented case study, after case study of research done by specialists and all you have to do is proclaim that "they are not specialists they don't know anything"...

How about this.


Vaccine Industry Watchdog Obtains CDC Documents That Show Statistically Significant Risks of Autism Associated with Vaccine Preservative Thimerosal

Biochemist Brian Hooker, scientific advisor to A Shot of Truth, reveals CDC knew of risks for over a decade.

Charlotte, NC (PRWEB) February 19, 2014

For nearly ten years, Brian Hooker has been requesting documents that are kept under tight wraps by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). His more than 100 Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests have resulted in copious evidence that the vaccine preservative Thimerosal, which is still used in the flu shot that is administered to pregnant women and infants, can cause autism and other neurodevelopmental disorders.

Dr. Hooker, a PhD scientist, worked with two members of Congress to craft the letter to the CDC that recently resulted in his obtaining long-awaited data from the CDC, the significance of which is historic. According to Hooker, the data on over 400,000 infants born between 1991 and 1997, which was analyzed by CDC epidemiologist Thomas Verstraeten, MD, “proves unequivocally that in 2000, CDC officials were informed internally of the very high risk of autism, non-organic sleep disorder and speech disorder associated with Thimerosal exposure.”

When the results of the Verstraeten study were first reported outside the CDC in 2005, there was no evidence that anyone but Dr. Verstraeten within the CDC had known of the very high 7.6-fold elevated relative risk of autism from exposure to Thimerosal during infancy. But now, clear evidence exists. A newly-acquired abstract from 1999 titled, “Increased risk of developmental neurologic impairment after high exposure to Thimerosal containing vaccine in first month of life” required the approval of top CDC officials prior to its presentation at the Epidemic Intelligence Service (EIS) conference. Thimerosal, which is 50% mercury by weight, was used in most childhood vaccines and in the RhoGAM® shot for pregnant women prior to the early 2000s.

The CDC maintains there is “no relationship between Thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism rates in children,” even though the data from the CDC’s own Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) database shows a very high risk. There are a number of public records to back this up, including this Congressional Record from May 1, 2003. The CDC’s refusal to acknowledge thimerosal’s risks is exemplified by a leaked statement from Dr. Marie McCormick, chair of the CDC/NIH-sponsored Immunization Safety Review at IOM. Regarding vaccination, she said in 2001, “…we are not ever going to come down that it [autism] is a true side effect….” Also of note, the former director of the CDC, which purchases $4 billion worth of vaccines annually, is now president of Merck’s vaccine division.
...

www.prweb.com...


...
Brian Hooker, PhD, PE, has 15 years experience in the field of bioengineering and is an associate professor at Simpson University where he specializes in biology and chemistry. His over 50 science and engineering papers have been published in internationally recognized, peer-reviewed journals. Dr. Hooker has a son, aged 16, who developed normally but then regressed into autism after receiving Thimerosal-containing vaccines.
...

www.prweb.com...

BTW, Dr. Brian Hooker was a bioengineer during his career and during the studies he performed. But of course, "Pardon" will once again proclaim "Dr. Hooker can't possibly know what he has been studying and talking about"... The same thing he has said and will say for every specialist, and medical research that refutes "Pardon's instincts"...



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 08:59 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: Pardon?

Right, right... More claims that all those studies are wrong. Stop regurgitating your lies please. I have presented case study, after case study of research done by specialists and all you have to do is proclaim that "they are not specialists they don't know anything"...

How about this.


Vaccine Industry Watchdog Obtains CDC Documents That Show Statistically Significant Risks of Autism Associated with Vaccine Preservative Thimerosal

Biochemist Brian Hooker, scientific advisor to A Shot of Truth, reveals CDC knew of risks for over a decade.

Charlotte, NC (PRWEB) February 19, 2014

For nearly ten years, Brian Hooker has been requesting documents that are kept under tight wraps by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). His more than 100 Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests have resulted in copious evidence that the vaccine preservative Thimerosal, which is still used in the flu shot that is administered to pregnant women and infants, can cause autism and other neurodevelopmental disorders.

Dr. Hooker, a PhD scientist, worked with two members of Congress to craft the letter to the CDC that recently resulted in his obtaining long-awaited data from the CDC, the significance of which is historic. According to Hooker, the data on over 400,000 infants born between 1991 and 1997, which was analyzed by CDC epidemiologist Thomas Verstraeten, MD, “proves unequivocally that in 2000, CDC officials were informed internally of the very high risk of autism, non-organic sleep disorder and speech disorder associated with Thimerosal exposure.”

When the results of the Verstraeten study were first reported outside the CDC in 2005, there was no evidence that anyone but Dr. Verstraeten within the CDC had known of the very high 7.6-fold elevated relative risk of autism from exposure to Thimerosal during infancy. But now, clear evidence exists. A newly-acquired abstract from 1999 titled, “Increased risk of developmental neurologic impairment after high exposure to Thimerosal containing vaccine in first month of life” required the approval of top CDC officials prior to its presentation at the Epidemic Intelligence Service (EIS) conference. Thimerosal, which is 50% mercury by weight, was used in most childhood vaccines and in the RhoGAM® shot for pregnant women prior to the early 2000s.

The CDC maintains there is “no relationship between Thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism rates in children,” even though the data from the CDC’s own Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) database shows a very high risk. There are a number of public records to back this up, including this Congressional Record from May 1, 2003. The CDC’s refusal to acknowledge thimerosal’s risks is exemplified by a leaked statement from Dr. Marie McCormick, chair of the CDC/NIH-sponsored Immunization Safety Review at IOM. Regarding vaccination, she said in 2001, “…we are not ever going to come down that it [autism] is a true side effect….” Also of note, the former director of the CDC, which purchases $4 billion worth of vaccines annually, is now president of Merck’s vaccine division.
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Brian Hooker, PhD, PE, has 15 years experience in the field of bioengineering and is an associate professor at Simpson University where he specializes in biology and chemistry. His over 50 science and engineering papers have been published in internationally recognized, peer-reviewed journals. Dr. Hooker has a son, aged 16, who developed normally but then regressed into autism after receiving Thimerosal-containing vaccines.
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BTW, Dr. Brian Hooker was a bioengineer during his career and during the studies he performed. But of course, "Pardon" will once again proclaim "Dr. Hooker can't possibly know what he has been studying and talking about"... The same thing he has said and will say for every specialist, and medical research that refutes "Pardon's instincts"...


All the studies you've posted have been debunked.
You're posting nothing that hasn't been posted a hundred times on various anti-vax sites.
It's like whack-a-mole with you lot.

I was right about you not reading my links wasn't I?
Here it is again.
www.harpocratesspeaks.com...
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posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 09:02 AM
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originally posted by: luciddream
Breathing causes Autism...

Looking at sun causes Autism...

Talking causes Autism...


If you dont understand yet, what i am saying is that saying "vaccine is the reason for autism" holds the same merit as the ones above.


You are making claims. How many research papers have I posted already?... How much proof do you, and others like you actually need showing you that vaccine companies have been caught lying, fabricating data, hiding ingredients they used either during processing, or in the final product, etc, etc.

Talking "doesn't cause autism... Autistic children have problems talking and expressing themselves. That's something entirely different to what you are "claiming".

Looking at the sun can blind you if you stare at it for too long, it won't cause autism... Autistic children can get distracted by lights, and the sun... but looking at the sun doesn't cause autism... Autistic children can also prefer the dark instead of the lights and the sun... You are making up claims, I have posted evidence after evidence to corroborate my argument. Those are symptoms of autism, not causes...


edit on 3-10-2014 by ElectricUniverse because: correct statement.



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 09:06 AM
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a reply to: Pardon?

From your link...


Did the CDC hide data from the public?

No. The data set used by the CDC in the 2004 paper has always been available to qualified researchers. Instructions on how to access these data are available on the CDC web site.
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www.harpocratesspeaks.com...

So it wasn't available to the public. Meanwhile other research papers have always been available to the public...

It was only available to "qualified researchers"... The CDC could proclaim a biochemist, such as Dr. Hooker "is not qualified".... The SAME claim you have made about other specialists not being able to comprehend this subject...




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posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 09:29 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: Pardon?

From your link...


Did the CDC hide data from the public?

No. The data set used by the CDC in the 2004 paper has always been available to qualified researchers. Instructions on how to access these data are available on the CDC web site.
...

www.harpocratesspeaks.com...

So it wasn't available to the public. Meanwhile other research papers have always been available to the public...

It was only available to "qualified researchers"... The CDC could proclaim a biochemist, such as Dr. Hooker "is not qualified".... The SAME claim you have made about other specialists not being able to comprehend this subject...


Nope.
Wrong again.
www.cdc.gov...

"This data set has been designated as a "restricted access" data set because concerns about confidentiality of study subjects. The Developmental Disabilities Branch (DDB) will only make this data set available under restricted conditions.
To request access to the data, interested researchers must complete a scientific proposal and send it to CDC. The proposal should clearly state which data sets are being requested, how the researcher plans to analyze them, and which hypothesis(es) are being tested. The proposal should be no longer than eight typed, single-spaced pages, including appendices and cover page, in Times New Roman 12 pt font. The proposal should include the following:
Background - This section should describe the background and reasons for requesting the data set(s) of interest.
Introduction - This section should describe the proposed research, in detail, including a clear statement of the hypothesis(es) being tested and an explanation of its significance to the overall analysis. In addition, this section should also describe how the researchers intend to maintain confidentiality of the data.
Methods - This section should clearly list, with relevant citations, the analytical methods proposed for data analysis.
Data Sets Requested - This section should clearly list the data set(s) requested and the length of time each data set is needed.

Appendices
This appendix should state the qualifications and experience of the Principal Investigator(s).
This appendix should contain certification that funding is in place to conduct the research as proposed. This documentation could consist of a signed letter from the PI's institution stating this fact.
Once CDC has received the subject proposal, it will be evaluated by two to three researchers (the majority of them from outside CDC) to determine its scientific merit. CDC will notify the researchers by mail about the findings of the review, the disposition of their request, and further instructions within 6 weeks of receipt of the proposal.
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You really need to learn how to read things properly.
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posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 09:34 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: Pardon?

From your link...


Did the CDC hide data from the public?

No. The data set used by the CDC in the 2004 paper has always been available to qualified researchers. Instructions on how to access these data are available on the CDC web site.
...

www.harpocratesspeaks.com...

So it wasn't available to the public. Meanwhile other research papers have always been available to the public...

It was only available to "qualified researchers"... The CDC could proclaim a biochemist, such as Dr. Hooker "is not qualified".... The SAME claim you have made about other specialists not being able to comprehend this subject...


Not once have I claimed that they don't "comprehend this subject".
What I've said is they cannot be counted as experts as they have never worked in the field nor produced any research.

Attention to detail is key.



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 09:36 AM
link   

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: luciddream
Breathing causes Autism...

Looking at sun causes Autism...

Talking causes Autism...


If you dont understand yet, what i am saying is that saying "vaccine is the reason for autism" holds the same merit as the ones above.


You are making claims. How many research papers have I posted already?... How much proof do you, and others like you actually need showing you that vaccine companies have been caught lying, fabricating data, hiding ingredients they used either during processing, or in the final product, etc, etc.

Talking "doesn't cause autism... Autistic children have problems talking and expressing themselves. That's something entirely different to what you are "claiming".

Looking at the sun can blind you if you stare at it for too long, it won't cause autism... Autistic children can get distracted by lights, and the sun... but looking at the sun doesn't cause autism... Autistic children can also prefer the dark instead of the lights and the sun... You are making up claims, I have posted evidence after evidence to corroborate my argument. Those are symptoms of autism, not causes...



The links you have provided are not evidence that vaccines cause autism.
None of them come even close.

However, you completely missed the point the poster was making...



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 12:01 PM
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originally posted by: Pardon?

Not once have I claimed that they don't "comprehend this subject".
What I've said is they cannot be counted as experts as they have never worked in the field nor produced any research.

Attention to detail is key.


Really?

Again, I have posted research such as...


Arch Toxicol. 1985 Sep;57(4):260-7.

The comparative toxicology of ethyl- and methylmercury.

Magos L, Brown AW, Sparrow S, Bailey E, Snowden RT, Skipp WR.

Abstract

Neurotoxicity and renotoxicity were compared in rats given by gastric gavage five daily doses of 8.0 mg Hg/kg methyl- or ethylmercuric chloride or 9.6 mg Hg/kg ethylmercuric chloride. Three or 10 days after the last treatment day rats treated with either 8.0 or 9.6 mg Hg/kg ethylmercury had higher total or organic mercury concentrations in blood and lower concentrations in kidneys and brain than methylmercury-treated rats. In each of these tissues the inorganic mercury concentration was higher after ethyl- than after methylmercury. Weight loss relative to the expected body weight and renal damage was higher in ethylmercury-treated rats than in rats given equimolar doses of methylmercury. These effects became more severe when the dose of ethylmercury was increased by 20%. Thus in renotoxicity the renal concentration of inorganic mercury seems to be more important than the concentration of organic or total mercury. In methylmercury-treated rats damage and inorganic mercury deposits were restricted to the P2 region of the proximal tubules, while in ethylmercury-treated rats the distribution of mercury and damage was more widespread. There was little difference in the neurotoxicities of methylmercury and ethylmercury when effects on the dorsal root ganglia or coordination disorders were compared. Based on both criteria, an equimolar dose of ethylmercury was less neurotoxic than methylmercury, but a 20% increase in the dose of ethylmercury was enough to raise the sum of coordination disorder scores slightly and ganglion damage significantly above those in methylmercury-treated rats.(ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 250 WORDS)

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

You can click on the names of each of the researchers and find other research, including more recent research they have worked on, yet YOU, who I don't even know who you are keep claiming none of these people are experts...

For example, if you click on the name of the first researcher "Magos L" you can find a link to other research he has done on the subject of methyl mercury/mercury and it's toxicity.



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Select item 18805470
1.


The assessment of the contribution of hair to methyl mercury excretion.


Magos L, Clarkson TW.

Toxicol Lett. 2008 Nov 10;182(1-3):48-9. doi: 10.1016/j.toxlet.2008.08.010. Epub 2008 Aug 30.


PMID: 18805470 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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Select item 16973445
2.


The toxicology of mercury and its chemical compounds.


Clarkson TW, Magos L.

Crit Rev Toxicol. 2006 Sep;36(8):609-62. Review.


PMID: 16973445 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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Select item 16824275
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Overview of the clinical toxicity of mercury.


Magos L, Clarkson TW.

Ann Clin Biochem. 2006 Jul;43(Pt 4):257-68. Review.


PMID: 16824275 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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Select item 14585942
4.


The toxicology of mercury--current exposures and clinical manifestations.


Clarkson TW, Magos L, Myers GJ.

N Engl J Med. 2003 Oct 30;349(18):1731-7. Review. No abstract available.


PMID: 14585942 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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5.


Neurotoxic character of thimerosal and the allometric extrapolation of adult clearance half-time to infants.


Magos L.

J Appl Toxicol. 2003 Jul-Aug;23(4):263-9. Review.


PMID: 12884410 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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6.


Review on the toxicity of ethylmercury, including its presence as a preservative in biological and pharmaceutical products.


Magos L.

J Appl Toxicol. 2001 Jan-Feb;21(1):1-5. Review. No abstract available.


PMID: 11180274 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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Three cases of methylmercury intoxication which eluded correct diagnosis.


Magos L.

Arch Toxicol. 1998 Nov;72(11):701-5.


PMID: 9879807 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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Physiology and toxicology of mercury.


Magos L.

Met Ions Biol Syst. 1997;34:321-70. Review. No abstract available.


PMID: 9046575 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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Re: Epidemiological studies of paternal exposure and spontaneous abortion.


Magos L.

Am J Ind Med. 1995 Apr;27(4):607-10. No abstract available.


PMID: 7793431 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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Lead poisoning from retained lead projectiles. A critical review of case reports.


Magos L.

Hum Exp Toxicol. 1994 Nov;13(11):735-42. Review.


PMID: 7857692 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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11.


Mental retardation and parental occupation: a study on the applicability of job exposure matrices.


Magos L.

Occup Environ Med. 1994 Sep;51(9):647. No abstract available.


PMID: 7951801 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Free PMC Article

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Paternal exposure to chemicals before conception.


Magos L.

BMJ. 1993 Nov 6;307(6913):1214. No abstract available.


PMID: 8251863 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Free PMC Article

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Liver transplantation during pregnancy.


Hamilton MI, Alcock R, Magos L, Mallett S, Rolles K, Burroughs AK.

Transplant Proc. 1993 Oct;25(5):2967-8.


PMID: 8212297 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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Epidemiological and experimental aspects of metal carcinogenesis: physicochemical properties, kinetics, and the active species.


Magos L.

Environ Health Perspect. 1991 Nov;95:157-89. Review.


PMID: 1821370 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Free PMC Article

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A versatile mercury vapour generating system suitable for long-term inhalation experiments.


Magos L, Hudson AR.

J Appl Toxicol. 1989 Oct;9(5):297-300.


PMID: 2592728 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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The effects of dose of elemental mercury and first-pass circulation time on exhalation and organ distribution of inorganic mercury in rats.

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posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 12:23 PM
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originally posted by: Pardon?


Not once have I claimed that they don't "comprehend this subject".
What I've said is they cannot be counted as experts as they have never worked in the field nor produced any research.

Attention to detail is key.


No, you claim that people should "consult your instincts" instead of listening to doctors like Kelly Brogan.

Among other certifications she is board certified in Psychosomatic Medicine/ Consultation Psychiatry, ABPN...

If you don't even know what that is...


Psychosomatic medicine

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jump to: navigation, search


Psychosomatic medicine is an interdisciplinary medical field exploring the relationships among social, psychological, and behavioral factors on bodily processes and quality of life in humans and animals.

The academic forebear of the modern field of behavioral medicine and a part of the practice of consultation-liaison psychiatry, psychosomatic medicine integrates interdisciplinary evaluation and management involving diverse specialties including psychiatry, psychology, neurology, internal medicine, surgery, allergy, dermatology and psychoneuroimmunology. Clinical situations where mental processes act as a major factor affecting medical outcomes are areas where psychosomatic medicine has competence.[1]
...

en.wikipedia.org...

Her expertise includes "neuropsychology/neuroscience", "cognition" and "clinical supervision".


Kelly Brogan, M.D.'s Overview
Current Private Practice Psychiatrist at NYU Medical Center
Education Cornell University Medical School
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Connections
500+ connections
Websites Personal Website

Kelly Brogan, M.D.'s Experience



Private Practice Psychiatrist

NYU Medical Center

Nonprofit; 10,001+ employees; Hospital & Health Care industry

June 2008 – Present (6 years 5 months)

Private practice devoted to women's mental health including pregnancy/postpartum symptom management. Expertise in holistic care including supplements, breathwork, diet, and non-medication treatment alternatives.



Kelly Brogan, M.D.'s Skills & Expertise

Holistic Health
Mental Health
Crisis Intervention
Psychiatry
Neuropsychology
Clinical Research
Psychotherapy
Treatment
Mindfulness
Psychology
Behavioral Health
Psychopharmacology
Wellness
Supplements
Medical Education
Psychological Assessment
Neuroscience
Family Therapy
Adolescents
Psychodynamic Psychotherapy
Cognition
CBT
Clinical Supervision
Post Traumatic Stress
Clinical Psychology
...

www.linkedin.com...


Yet YOU, "Pardon" want to claim that she, and other specialists like her "are not experts that can ascertain whether these substances can cause autism or other neurological disorders"?... Based on what again?... Oh yeah I forgot, "your instincts"...

All you keep doing, and your followers, is show a total lack of understanding on the subject and that only "you" can or cannot determine who counts as an "expert" on whether ethylmercury/thimerosal, adjuvants, and other substances can cause neurological disorders... all based on "your instincts"...

But go ahead and keep trying to dismiss her, as well as other specialists and the plethora of case studies all which contradict "your instincts"...

I am not going to keep arguing this with you. If you want to dismiss her then show proof that YOU are an expert on this topic that can prove that Dr. Brogan is wrong alongside the other medical specialists and all the research which refutes your claims... So far you haven't proven anything at all.



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posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 12:33 PM
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BTW, just in case, because you don't seem to be able to understand subtle hints such as bolded text, remember that her expertise includes among others "clinical research."


Clinical research is a branch of healthcare science that determines the safety and effectiveness of medications, devices, diagnostic products and treatment regimens intended for human use. These may be used for prevention, treatment, diagnosis or for relieving symptoms of a disease. Clinical Research is different from clinical practice. In clinical practice one uses established treatments, while in clinical research evidence is collected to establish a treatment.
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en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 12:44 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Pardon?


Not once have I claimed that they don't "comprehend this subject".
What I've said is they cannot be counted as experts as they have never worked in the field nor produced any research.

Attention to detail is key.


No, you claim that people should "consult your instincts" instead of listening to doctors like Kelly Brogan.

Among other certifications she is board certified in Psychosomatic Medicine/ Consultation Psychiatry, ABPN...

If you don't even know what that is...


Psychosomatic medicine

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jump to: navigation, search


Psychosomatic medicine is an interdisciplinary medical field exploring the relationships among social, psychological, and behavioral factors on bodily processes and quality of life in humans and animals.

The academic forebear of the modern field of behavioral medicine and a part of the practice of consultation-liaison psychiatry, psychosomatic medicine integrates interdisciplinary evaluation and management involving diverse specialties including psychiatry, psychology, neurology, internal medicine, surgery, allergy, dermatology and psychoneuroimmunology. Clinical situations where mental processes act as a major factor affecting medical outcomes are areas where psychosomatic medicine has competence.[1]
...

en.wikipedia.org...

Her expertise includes "neuropsychology/neuroscience", "cognition" and "clinical supervision".


Kelly Brogan, M.D.'s Overview
Current Private Practice Psychiatrist at NYU Medical Center
Education Cornell University Medical School
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Connections
500+ connections
Websites Personal Website

Kelly Brogan, M.D.'s Experience



Private Practice Psychiatrist

NYU Medical Center

Nonprofit; 10,001+ employees; Hospital & Health Care industry

June 2008 – Present (6 years 5 months)

Private practice devoted to women's mental health including pregnancy/postpartum symptom management. Expertise in holistic care including supplements, breathwork, diet, and non-medication treatment alternatives.



Kelly Brogan, M.D.'s Skills & Expertise

Holistic Health
Mental Health
Crisis Intervention
Psychiatry
Neuropsychology
Clinical Research
Psychotherapy
Treatment
Mindfulness
Psychology
Behavioral Health
Psychopharmacology
Wellness
Supplements
Medical Education
Psychological Assessment
Neuroscience
Family Therapy
Adolescents
Psychodynamic Psychotherapy
Cognition
CBT
Clinical Supervision
Post Traumatic Stress
Clinical Psychology
...

www.linkedin.com...


Yet YOU, "Pardon" want to claim that she, and other specialists like her "are not experts that can ascertain whether these substances can cause autism or other neurological disorders"?... Based on what again?... Oh yeah I forgot, "your instincts"...

All you keep doing, and your followers, is show a total lack of understanding on the subject and who can or cannot count as "experts" on whether ethylmercury/thimerosal, adjuvants, and other substances can cause neurological disorders... all based on "your instincts"...

But go ahead and keep trying to dismiss her, other specialists and the plethora of case studies all which contradict "your instincts"...

I am not going to keep discussing this with you. if you want to dismiss her then show proof that YOU are an expert that can prove that Dr. Brogan is wrong alongside the other medical specialists and all the research which refutes your claims...





Obviously you're a fan of the wonderful Kelly Brogan and in awe of her qualifications.
This is what counts though.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Now, even going on my instincts I can't see any research she's done on vaccines or immunology.
Can you?

So how can she be considered an expert on it?
Seriously, how can you begin to think she's an expert?

If she was really concerned she would undertake and publish robust research in peer-reviewed medical journals to back up what she says like any responsible medical scientist would.
You know, do it the proper way and if her data is good enough people will take notice.
That's what research is for.
All she does is trot out the same old tired papers as you have done. However, she does it to direct gullible people like you to her "holistic" web sites to buy ineffective and pointless woo off her and cream the ad revenue from the "natural" health advertisers on it.
She also makes a healthy living speaking at the various anti-vax conferences that have sprung up over the last few years.
It's easy knocking vaccines as there are plenty of conspiracy nuts who lap it up.
What she does carries no responsibility whatsoever and definitely no conscience.

So unlike you I'm not blinded by qualifications, I am swayed by real data though and unfortunately for you my instincts don't come into it.



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