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Nurse Fired for Refusing Flu Shot Sues Hospital, Federal and State Governments for $100,000,000

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posted on Oct, 2 2014 @ 12:56 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

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If that amount, or any amount exceeding $5,000,000 is ever awarded from the results and conclusion from this class action lawsuit the amounts paid will go to several families all which have children that have been negatively affected by vaccines because their children developed neurological disorders or other health problems which case studies have found to be linked to the substances found in vaccines.



Made a mistake in that statement, the $5,000,000 figure I gave is one of the requirements needed for a lawsuit to become a "class action", another important requirement is of course, and includes several people/families being affected/being represented in the lawsuit.

Even if the courts decide the amount is less than $5,000,000 the amount will be equally distributed to all parties/families involved.




posted on Oct, 2 2014 @ 02:06 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Pardon?


You do know that your body produces and eliminates formaldehyde constantly don't you?


wow... the US National Toxicology Program describes formaldehyde as a "known to be a human carcinogen", and there are dozens, upon dozens of case studies and results which proves that formaldehyde is very toxic...

The normal concentration of formaldehyde in human and other primates is around 0.1 millimolar because formaldehyde is produced by processes in the upper atmosphere, hence it does occur naturally in living organisms. However, excessive accumulation of this substance in living organisms is known to be highly toxic and carcinogenic...



What?
Formaldehyde is produced in the upper atmosphere so that's why it occurs in organisms?
I'll say it again.
WHAT?
(That may have been true billions of years ago when we were evolving but we've adapted since then...)


It's produced by our bodies as part of normal metabolism of foods.
"Role in Metabolism

Formaldehyde plays an essential role in our metabolism. As part of the metabolic process, formaldehyde, whether from an external source or produced by our bodies, is converted into formate (PDF) by the enzyme formaldehyde dehydrogenase. The resulting formate can then be eliminated in the urine, further broken down into CO2 and exhaled, or used by our cell machinery to synthesize nucleotides and nucleobases, such as purines and thymidine.

Purines include two of the four basic building blocks of DNA: adenine and guanine. When formaldehyde is converted into formate, the body can then use it to synthesize these basic building blocks of life.

Likewise, thymidine, also called deoxythymidine, is integral to life. It is a nucleoside, which is a class of compounds that are components of nucleic acids; in other words, you need thymidine to make the nucleic acid thymine. They also perform a lot of other important functions. Nucleosides mediate hormone signaling and play a role in blood pressure and energy transfer, among other things (Jucker, 1993). Formaldehyde provides your body with the compounds necessary to synthesize thymidine. Just like with purines, if your body stopped using formaldehyde to make these basic compounds, well, all of your worries would disappear, since you'd be dead.

Even before the advent of industrial uses of formaldehyde, humans, as with every other animal on Earth, had been exposed to formaldehyde through the foods they ate, the environments in which they lived and their own metabolic processes. They developed the means to use the chemical for their own cellular function, as well as the ability to get rid of excess amounts that would otherwise be toxic.
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Read the link for more info (don't rely on snippets from Wikipedia).
www.harpocratesspeaks.com...



posted on Oct, 2 2014 @ 02:11 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

Neuropediatrics. 2006 Aug;37(4):234-40.

Attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder and blood mercury level: a case-control study in Chinese children.

Cheuk DK1, Wong V.


Author information



Retraction in
Yamano T. Neuropediatrics. 2008 Aug;39(4):246.

Abstract

OBJECTIVE:

To investigate the association between blood mercury level and attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) in Chinese children in Hong Kong.

METHODS:

Fifty-two children with ADHD aged below 18 years diagnosed by DSM IV criteria without perinatal brain insults, mental retardation or neurological deficits were recruited from a developmental assessment center. Fifty-nine normal controls were recruited from a nearby hospital. Blood mercury levels were measured by cold vapor atomic absorption spectrophotometry.

RESULTS:

The mean ages of cases and controls were 7.06 and 7.81 years respectively. Boys predominated (case = 44 [84.6 %], control = 44 [74.6 %]). There was significant difference in blood mercury levels between cases and controls (geometric mean 18.2 nmol/L [95 % CI 15.4 - 21.5 nmol/L] vs. 11.6 nmol/L [95 % CI 9.9 - 13.7 nmol/L], p < 0.001), which persists after adjustment for age, gender and parental occupational status (p < 0.001). The geometric mean blood mercury level was also significantly higher in children with inattentive (19.4 nmol/L, 95 % CI 13.3 - 28.5 nmol/L) and combined (18.0 nmol/L, 95 % CI 14.9 - 21.8 nmol/L) subtypes of ADHD. Blood mercury levels were above 29 nmol/L in 17 (26.9 %) cases and 6 (10.2 %) controls. Children with blood mercury level above 29 nmol/L had 9.69 times (95 % CI 2.57 - 36.5) higher risk of having ADHD after adjustment for confounding variables.

CONCLUSION:

High blood mercury level was associated with ADHD. Whether the relationship is causal requires further studies.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Unfortunately no matter how much evidence is brought forth there will be some people who, for whatever motive, will deny all of these findings.

We are seeing more and more cases of children with neurological disorders, and a myriad of other health related problems and the problem will not only continue, but it will get worse unless people react and we do something about this. Sooner rather than later, too many children have already become victims to this injustice, and unless people get it together and rally around problems like this one, nothing will ever change.





They've also done one with lead (Pb).
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
There's no lead in vaccines.

In your link they also didn't go into detail about where the mercury was from and what type it was.
They've also suggested that further studying is needed to prove or rule out a causal link.

Not evidence I'm afraid.



posted on Oct, 2 2014 @ 03:18 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Pardon?
I've just been having a look through the links you've provided (which seems to be more than you have with the ones I linked to...)

lizditz.typepad.com...


A link from some RANDOM PERSON claiming that all that research is false, and making false claims about doctors, and researchers doesn't prove anything except that you can't refute the evidence being provided hence you resort to personal attacks...

Nope, wrong again. Irrespective of the person they are not claiming they're false. They are SHOWING why they are not considered to be evidence.
Read them and counter their arguments instead of dismissing them.




originally posted by: Pardon?
The one with the rats and thimerasol is very disingenuous indeed. The amounts given and frequency far, far exceeds what was ever given in vaccines. Ever. There's absolutely no comparison at all.


Disingenuous is to proclaim that the accumulation of toxins in young children/infants or even adults doesn't matter, which is what you are doing.

One of the last research papers I linked to from China found that many of the children that were part of the study on the link between attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder and blood mercury had high levels of mercury on their blood. Other studies have found a similar causal link between substance in vaccines and neurological problems in children/individuals. Despite people like you trying to dismiss the evidence study after study tells us something completely different to the claims made by people like you...

Nope. Wrong again.
Disingenuous because of what I originally stated. Massive doses in high frequency of administration.
Comparing apples with spaceships.
Thimerosal does not accumulate, it is metabolised and excreted.




originally posted by: Pardon?
You've posted the one about the flu vaccine not being as effective as hoped a couple of times but have completely ignored the fact that in the study it still recommends it.
That's blindness.


"Recommendation" is not evidence for dismissal of the results. It's just a "recommendation"... If it's raining someone can recommend you not to drive because it could be dangerous, but guess what, just because they recommended you not to drive it doesn't mean you will have an accident...

Read exactly what it says rather than stating your own logical fallacy



originally posted by: Pardon?
You keep on posting links about mercury being a factor in neurological disorders even though there's effectively no mercury in childhood vaccines and hasn't been since 1999 (even though that mercury was bound as a salt and was ethylmercury etc etc etc).



Wrong, the doses of thimersol/thimerosal have been lowered in countries like the U.S., but it is still used by many manufacturers and thimersol alongside other additives are used in vaccines to this date... For crying out loud I gave links to the ingredients that the manufacturers themselves state are in the vaccines and many of them show thimersol being used, yet you want to claim this is not true?...

You need to read properly. As I said in my first post, attention to detail is rife amongst anti-vaxxers, you only see what you want to.
"Effectively no mercury in vaccines" do you need me to explain that again and why thimerasol isn't mercury, again?





originally posted by: Pardon?
You post citations from the following "experts" even though none of them have performed any research on vaccines or immunology.
Kelly Brogan
Harold Buttram
David Ayoub



You are doing nothing more than grasping at staws... I even gave an excerpt to part of the biography of doctor Kelly Brogan...

Kelly Brogan has a MA BS in Brain and Cognitive Science/Systems Neuroscience from Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and was also educated at Cornell University Medical College, NY Doctor of Medicine...

kellybroganmd.com...

Harold Buttram graduate of the Oklahoma School of Medicine and is board qualified in environmental medicine since 1989. Much of Dr. Buttram’s later practice included work in the care of autistic children and related disorders, largely following the program sponsored by the Autism Research Institute.
www.vaccinationcouncil.org...
www.whale.to...


David Ayoub is a doctor in Vascular and Interventional Radiology.


David Ayoub, MD

Medical Doctor

Dr. Ayoub graduated from University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign and University of Illinois College of Medicine, completing a residency in Diagnostic Radiology at Southern Illinois University and a fellowship in Cardiovascular and Interventional Radiology at University of Iowa. As a vaccine safety researcher, he has lectured on vaccine topics at numerous autism conferences and testifies in state legislative hearings on vaccination. He is coauthor of “Influenza Vaccine in Pregnancy; Critical assessment of the Recommendations of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices” which was published in 2006 in the American Journal of Physicians and Surgeons. He is currently working on several research projects regarding the safety of mercury and aluminum components of vaccines. Dr. Ayoub is a member of the Society of Cardiovascular and Intervention Radiology, Radiological Society of North America, Society of Nuclear Medicine, American College of Radiology, the American Professional Society on the Abuse of Children and the Illinois State Medical Society. He is the father of two children, Oliver and Claire.

www.bionutritionalcare.com...
www.whale.to...

If you had kidney problems would you consult a cardiologist?
No? Why not?
As according to what you've just written, just because people are doctors they are experts in every field.
Can you cite any credible research papers any of the above have produced on vaccines or immunolgy please.
The one from the radiologist (?) was only allowed to be published in the American Journal of Physicians and Surgeons and that was just a re-interpretation of data from 8 years ago. Not exactly real research.
Incidentally, Harold Buttram is a founder member of the society which runs the Journal it was published in...

Oh, and Buttram thinks that kids suffering from shaken baby syndrome are actually victims of vaccine injury.
I kid you not.

So, you have a radiologist, an holistic psychiatrist and an absolute nutcase who you're citing as experts even though none of them have relevant credentials, qualifications or can back up what they say with credible research and studies.
Hmm.
But you eschew the vaccinologists and immunologists whose life's work is with vaccines?
Says a lot about you doesn't it?


The last part you linked to has nothing to do with the buffered salt solutions used in preparation.
IT SAYS WHAT IT IS IN THE TITLE OF THE LINK YOU POSTED.
Again, you don't read very well and pay no attention to detail (what was it? Did you just see the word "buffer" and think it was the same thing?).



posted on Oct, 2 2014 @ 04:29 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: GetHyped
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

"If someone's warning you about how toxic a chemical is, but they don't mention the dose, they are trying to deceive you"


Except that everything I mentioned is not based on "hearsay or rumors" but on dozens and dozens of case studies that have been published in medical journals and have been done by medical/vaccine researchers...


Go on then, list the dose at which those ingredients are toxic and the dose at which they're found in vaccines.



posted on Oct, 2 2014 @ 06:35 AM
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originally posted by: HawkeyeNation
I work for a large health corporation in the Midwest. Those at the hospital have that same option. If they don't take the vlu vaccine they need to wear a mask. I agree with it. In that type of environment you have to prevent the spread of the flu as much as possible.

While I agree with which someone has that right I myself find it ridiculous. I get the flu shot every year and so do my boys. I also agree there are some toxins in these vaccinations I firmly believe that the risk is very small. There is a reason why some of these known diseases are coming back.

IMO...get the flu shot.


The best thing for your patients is to NOT GO TO WORK IF YOU ARE SICK!!



posted on Oct, 2 2014 @ 09:14 PM
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Oh no! Thiomersal contains mercury which is 50% of its molectular weight!!!!!!!

So I guess you need to stop using table salt then, which is Sodium Chloride, where the chloride accounts for 60.75% of its molecular weight!!!!! Its also a lot more toxic than mercury, causing pretty much instant death by asphyxiation.

Fact is, both the Hg in Thiomersal and the Cl in NaCl are bonded into compounds. Its not the same as you were eating the raw chemical elements. Its not even an alloy (tooth amalgam) where the element CAN leech out. Its a COMPOUND where they are either ionically or covalently bonded to the other elements.

This really is basic science.



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 12:13 AM
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originally posted by: Pardon?



What?
Formaldehyde is produced in the upper atmosphere so that's why it occurs in organisms?
I'll say it again.
WHAT?
(That may have been true billions of years ago when we were evolving but we've adapted since then...)


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AGAIN, and why is it that formaldehyde is produced in SMALL AMOUNTS by the body?...

AGAIN, just because a SMALL AMOUNT is produced by the body it doesn't mean that injecting yourself, and much less infants/children with it is safe...

Vaccine ingredients can have more than one substance which can be toxic to the body, and the fact that there are several vaccinations given to children, plus booster shots, etc, the amount of these substances increases in the body and there is an overload due to the accumulation of the substances. Some substances can be toxic at smaller amounts than others.

Remember that formaldehyde is used to "kill bacteria", and you should also remember that there are bacteria/germs that protect our bodies, and they help our basic bodily functions. Formaldehyde, and other similar substances doesn't differentiate one bacteria from another, and too much accumulation of substances like formaldehyde/formalin can and do become toxic.

There are many substances that the body needs, or produces, such as iron, but there can be an overload of such substances present in the body and poisoning can occur.

Another substance which "can" be very toxic, more so for developing infants/children, is sodium chloride (yes even table salt can be toxic). The toxicity of sodium chloride comes from Na and is dependent on the availability of water in the body, and whether the person/child is properly hydrated. If properly hydrated most organisms, including humans, can tolerate a high dose of sodium chloride. If there is improper hydration the toxicity of Na can induce acute toxicosis (sodium ion toxicity-water deprivation syndrome) which can cause blindness, convulsions, incoordination, recumbency and death. For this reason it is very important to keep your infant, and adults as well, properly hydrated with filtered water.

What you are claiming is that it doesn't matter what level of accumulation of these substances our bodies can have... That is your latest type of denial on this topic... Apart from claiming that doctors specialists in neurology and other branches of medicine who have studied this subject don't know what they are saying. But the only one truly showing not to know or understand this is you, among some other people.



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 01:55 AM
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originally posted by: Pardon?
Nope, wrong again. Irrespective of the person they are not claiming they're false. They are SHOWING why they are not considered to be evidence.
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No, the claims made by that man, and you are the ones based on opinion. You showed a few studies which claim there is no link between some of these substances and neurological disorders and other health related problems, but there are many other studies that say the contrary. I already tried to explain to you why there is a difference between some of those studies you link, which were few, and the studies I presented in this thread.

One of those factors that can skew the results of medical research studies is that vaccine manufacturers change the ingredients/substances they use in vaccines, hence there can be a discrepancy between some studies done to vaccinated children with others who received the same vaccine, but from a different batch made by the same company or some other company using different ingredients/substances.



originally posted by: Pardon?
Nope. Wrong again.
Disingenuous because of what I originally stated. Massive doses in high frequency of administration.
Comparing apples with spaceships.
Thimerosal does not accumulate, it is metabolised and excreted.


First of all, it doesn't have to be a "massive dose"... Not to mention that you are lying yet again. The mercury in thimerosal can, and does accumulate in the body, and eventually can end up in the nervous system and the brain.


Curr Probl Pediatr Adolesc Health Care. Author manuscript; available in PMC May 17, 2011.

Published in final edited form as:

Curr Probl Pediatr Adolesc Health Care. Sep 2010; 40(8): 186–215.
doi: 10.1016/j.cppeds.2010.07.002
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Mercury Exposure and Children’s Health

Stephan Bose-O’Reilly, MD, MPH,a Kathleen M. McCarty, ScD, MPH,b Nadine Steckling, BSc,a and Beate Lettmeier, PhDa

Author information ► Copyright and License information ►


The publisher's final edited version of this article is available at Curr Probl Pediatr Adolesc Health Care
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Abstract.


Acute or chronic mercury exposure can cause adverse effects during any period of development. Mercury is a highly toxic element; there is no known safe level of exposure. Ideally, neither children nor adults should have any mercury in their bodies because it provides no physiological benefit. Prenatal and postnatal mercury exposures occur frequently in many different ways. Pediatricians, nurses, and other health care providers should understand the scope of mercury exposures and health problems among children and be prepared to handle mercury exposures in medical practice. Prevention is the key to reducing mercury poisoning. Mercury exists in different chemical forms: elemental (or metallic), inorganic, and organic (methylmercury and ethyl mercury). Mercury exposure can cause acute and chronic intoxication at low levels of exposure. Mercury is neuro-, nephro-, and immunotoxic. The development of the child in utero and early in life is at particular risk. Mercury is ubiquitous and persistent. Mercury is a global pollutant, bio-accumulating, mainly through the aquatic food chain, resulting in a serious health hazard for children. This article provides an extensive review of mercury exposure and children’s health.
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www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...



originally posted by: Pardon?


You need to read properly.
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"Effectively no mercury in vaccines" do you need me to explain that again and why thimerasol isn't mercury, again?


That's another lie...

Thiomersal/thimerosal is also known as "ethylmercury" because that's what the body breaks it into... Guess why the word mercury is included?...

There are claims that ethylmercury should be safe but new, and even older research studies show that this is patently a lie.


Thimerosal and Animal Brains: New Data for Assessing Human Ethylmercury Risk

Julia R. Barrett

Additional article information


Since the 1930s, vaccines have contained thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative that breaks down to ethylmercury and thiosalicylate in the body. By some calculations, children given the usual schedule of vaccines containing thimerosal receive ethylmercury in doses exceeding the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s guidelines for methylmercury, a known neurotoxicant. Because of the lack of pharmacokinetic and toxicity data for ethylmercury, methylmercury has been used as a reference for ethylmercury toxicity based on the assumption that the two compounds share similar toxicokinetic profiles. However, a new animal study shows that methylmercury is an inadequate reference for ethylmercury due to significant differences in tissue distribution, clearance rates, and ratios of organic to inorganic mercury in the brain [EHP 113:1015–1021].

During their first two years, children in the United States may receive more than 20 routine vaccinations. The rise in childhood autism has sparked concerns that thimerosal-derived ethylmercury may be at least partly to blame for some of these cases—concerns that are largely driven by awareness of methylmercury’s neurotoxicity. Beginning in 1999 thimerosal-free versions of routine vaccines for children under age 6 started becoming available. However, as of winter 2005, the flu vaccine still contained thimerosal, and the preservative continues to be used in vaccines in other countries.

In the current study, researchers assigned 41 newborn monkeys to one of three exposure groups. Seventeen of the monkeys were injected with vaccines spiked with thimerosal for a total mercury dose of 20 micrograms per kilogram (μg/kg) at ages 0, 7, 14, and 21 days, mimicking the typical schedule of vaccines for human infants. At the same ages, another 17 monkeys received 20 μg/kg methylmercury by stomach tube to mimic typical methylmercury exposure. A third group of 7 monkeys served as unexposed controls.
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Brain concentrations of total mercury were approximately 3–4 times lower in the thimerosal group than in the methylmercury group, and total mercury cleared more rapidly in the thimerosal group (with a half-life of 24.2 days versus 59.5 days). However, the proportion of inorganic mercury in the brain was much higher in the thimerosal group (21–86% of total mercury) compared to the methylmercury group (6–10%). Brain concentrations of inorganic mercury were approximately twice as high in the thimerosal group compared to the methylmercury group. Inorganic mercury remains in the brain much longer than organic mercury, with an estimated half-life of more than a year. It’s not currently known whether inorganic mercury presents any risk to the developing brain.
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www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

BTW, to this day multiple dose of flu vaccine still contain Thiomersal/thimerosal and are still given to children and adults. I have already TRIED to explain that you can choose a flu injection that doesn't contain Thiomersal/thimerosal, but YOU have to request it. Of course there is also always the possibility that your vaccine provider might not have the flu shot that doesn't contain Thiomersal/thimerosal.


edit on 3-10-2014 by ElectricUniverse because: add comment.



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 02:04 AM
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Given these findings, the researchers caution that risk assessments for thimerosal based on studies using blood mercury measurements may not be valid, depending on the design of the study. Further, the observed differences in distribution and breakdown of mercury compounds between exposed groups indicate that methylmercury is not a suitable model for thimerosal toxicity.

The researchers emphasize, however, that the risks associated with low-level exposures to inorganic mercury in the developing brain are unknown, and they describe other research linking persistent inorganic mercury exposure with increased activation of microglia in the brain, an effect recently reported in children with autism. They recommend further research focused specifically on the biotransformation of thimerosal and its neurotoxic potential.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Some older medical research which shows that it has been known for a long time that ethylmercury has a higher percentage of accumulation in the brain than methylmercury...


Arch Toxicol. 1985 Sep;57(4):260-7.

The comparative toxicology of ethyl- and methylmercury.

Magos L, Brown AW, Sparrow S, Bailey E, Snowden RT, Skipp WR.

Abstract

Neurotoxicity and renotoxicity were compared in rats given by gastric gavage five daily doses of 8.0 mg Hg/kg methyl- or ethylmercuric chloride or 9.6 mg Hg/kg ethylmercuric chloride. Three or 10 days after the last treatment day rats treated with either 8.0 or 9.6 mg Hg/kg ethylmercury had higher total or organic mercury concentrations in blood and lower concentrations in kidneys and brain than methylmercury-treated rats. In each of these tissues the inorganic mercury concentration was higher after ethyl- than after methylmercury. Weight loss relative to the expected body weight and renal damage was higher in ethylmercury-treated rats than in rats given equimolar doses of methylmercury.
These effects became more severe when the dose of ethylmercury was increased by 20%. Thus in renotoxicity the renal concentration of inorganic mercury seems to be more important than the concentration of organic or total mercury.
In methylmercury-treated rats damage and inorganic mercury deposits were restricted to the P2 region of the proximal tubules, while in ethylmercury-treated rats the distribution of mercury and damage was more widespread. There was little difference in the neurotoxicities of methylmercury and ethylmercury when effects on the dorsal root ganglia or coordination disorders were compared. Based on both criteria, an equimolar dose of ethylmercury was less neurotoxic than methylmercury, but a 20% increase in the dose of ethylmercury was enough to raise the sum of coordination disorder scores slightly and ganglion damage significantly above those in methylmercury-treated rats.(ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 250 WORDS)

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

I could link many other similar studies, but then I would be accused of "copying and pasting too much"...



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 03:16 AM
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originally posted by: Pardon?
So, you have a radiologist, an holistic psychiatrist and an absolute nutcase who you're citing as experts even though none of them have relevant credentials, qualifications or can back up what they say with credible research and studies.
Hmm.
But you eschew the vaccinologists and immunologists whose life's work is with vaccines?
Says a lot about you doesn't it?


wow, really? I posted 15 studies or more FROM DIFFERENT DOCTORS AND MEDICAL RESEARCHERS who have studied/study this subject, not just those three you want to concentrate on because you can't formulate an intelligent counter argument. This is called "character assassination" or ad hominem attack. When you can't offer an intelligent argument some people resort to this tactic.

BTW...

AGAIN, Kelly Brogan has a MA BS in Brain and Cognitive Science/Systems Neuroscience. She is not a general practitioner, and she is not just a psychiatrist... She specializes in brain and cognitive science/systems neuroscience... Do you even understand what that is?


Research / Cognitive Neuroscience

Cognitive neuroscience is a multidisciplinary field of research that encompasses systems neuroscience, computation, and cognitive science. Its goal is to further our understanding of the relationship between cognitive phenomena and the underlying physical substrate of the brain. Using a combination of behavioral testing, advanced brain imaging, and theoretical modeling, the cognitive neuroscience research endeavors taking place within the department seek to elucidate how high-level functions, such as language and visual object recognition, relate to specific neural substructures in the brain.
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bcs.mit.edu...

Also...

What is Vascular and Interventional Radiology


Interventional Radiology is a medical sub-specialty of radiology utilizing minimally-invasive image-guided procedures to diagnose and treat diseases in nearly every organ system. The concept behind interventional radiology is to diagnose and treat patients using the least invasive techniques currently available in order to minimize risk to the patient and improve health outcomes. These procedures have less risk, less pain and less recovery time compared to open surgery.

Interventional radiologists are medical doctors with additional six or seven years of specialized training after medical school. All of our Faculty Interventionalists have completed a one or two-year fellowship program after their diagnostic radiology residency. They are certified by the American Board of Radiology.
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www.hopkinsmedicine.org...

AGAIN you are only grasping at straws and have no basis for your false claims.



originally posted by: Pardon?
The last part you linked to has nothing to do with the buffered salt solutions used in preparation.
IT SAYS WHAT IT IS IN THE TITLE OF THE LINK YOU POSTED.
Again, you don't read very well and pay no attention to detail (what was it? Did you just see the word "buffer" and think it was the same thing?).


No, it's called mislabeling and misrepresentation of the ingredients used by manufacturers. Manufacturers, including vaccine manufacturers try to save money any way they can and because of this mislabels and misrepresentation of the ingredients they use, or/and the ingredients present in the vaccine can and does occur even if it doesn't happen regularly. Sometimes it is due to just human error.

I even tried to hint it by posting some of the ingredients a couple of manufacturers state they use.

Let me be more clear.


PRESS RELEASE - FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
August 12, 2004
Health Advocacy in the Public Interest (HAPI)
Contact: Dawn Winkler 970-641-7413

Vaccines Are Not Mercury Free

After much public controversy surrounding the mercury content of childhood vaccinations, Health Advocacy in the Public Interest (HAPI) raised $500 to have four vaccines tested for heavy metal content.
The vials were sent to Doctor's Data, an independent lab which specializes in heavy metal testing.


Many manufacturers voluntarily began producing supposed "mercury free" vaccines in 1999. Some product inserts currently claim that a "trace" amount of mercury still exists in the final product but that the amount has been greatly reduced. Others claim to be producing completely mercury free products.

During an investigation into the mercury issue, HAPI learned that Thimerosal, a 50% mercury compound, is still being used to produce
most vaccines and that the manufacturers are simply "filtering it out" of the final product. However, according to Boyd Haley, PhD,
Chemistry Department Chair, University of Kentucky, mercury binds to the antigenic protein in the vaccine and cannot be completely, 100%
filtered out.


All four vaccine vials tested contained mercury despite manufacturer claims that two of the vials were completely mercury free. All four vials also contained aluminum, one nine times more than the other three, which tremendously enhances the toxicity of mercury causing neuronal death in the brain.

The mercury content of routine childhood vaccinations has been linked to the current autism epidemic as well as numerous other neurological disorders affecting children today. Currently, one in six children are affected in some way and one in 250 children are diagnosed as autistic compared to one in 10,000 prior to mercury containing vaccines.
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www.whale.to...

Then there is the fact that despite claims that the FDA monitors for vaccines are 100% effective, this is simply not true. The FDA is an agency made up of people, and guess what? PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES...

The FDA is supposed to test samples of each vaccine before they can be distributed by manufacturers. But in fact the same manufacturer can have different batches of the same vaccine that not only have different ingredients but that can be contaminated and are only caught after distribution and after people get infected.


Rotavirus Vaccine – What’s a Parent To Do?

Susan Drury Oct 5th, 2010

“Pediatricians Want Kids to Get Rotavirus Vaccine” were headlines in The Vancouver Sun this week and it was an interesting read, particularly in the wake of the huge recall of Glaxo-Smith-Kline’s rotavirus vaccine Rotarix last year in the US, when it was discovered to have been contaminated with a pig virus – discovered only after the vaccine had been injected into over one million children in the US alone. While officials quickly reassured the public that this virus is benign in humans, such reassurances are not backed by any concrete evidence – there are no scientific studies showing what happens when this virus is injected and resides in a human body over the course of a lifetime.
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www.vancouverobserver.com...



edit on 3-10-2014 by ElectricUniverse because: correct errors and add statement.



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 03:26 AM
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BTW, the latest scandal about one particular vaccine manufacturer.


Lawrence Solomon

Columnist
Merck Has Some Explaining To Do Over Its MMR Vaccine Claims

Posted: 09/25/2014 5:29 pm EDT Updated: 09/27/2014 5:59 pm EDT

Merck, the pharmaceutical giant, is facing a slew of controversies over its Measles-Mumps-Rubella (MMR) vaccine following numerous allegations of wrongdoing from different parties in the medical field, including two former Merck scientists-turned-whistleblowers. A third whistleblower, this one a scientist at the Centers for Disease Control, also promises to bring Merck grief following his confession of misconduct involving the same MMR vaccine.

The controversies will find Merck defending itself and its vaccine in at least two federal court cases after a U.S. District judge earlier this month threw out Merck's attempts at dismissal. Merck now faces federal charges of fraud from the whistleblowers, a vaccine competitor and doctors in New Jersey and New York. Merck could also need to defend itself in Congress: The staff of representative Bill Posey (R-Fla) -- a longstanding critic of the CDC interested in an alleged link between vaccines and autism -- is now reviewing some 1,000 documents that the CDC whistleblower turned over to them.

The first court case, United States v. Merck & Co., stems from claims by two former Merck scientists that Merck "fraudulently misled the government and omitted, concealed, and adulterated material information regarding the efficacy of its mumps vaccine in violation of the FCA [False Claims Act]."

According to the whistleblowers' court documents, Merck's misconduct was far-ranging: It "failed to disclose that its mumps vaccine was not as effective as Merck represented, (ii) used improper testing techniques, (iii) manipulated testing methodology, (iv) abandoned undesirable test results, (v) falsified test data, (vi) failed to adequately investigate and report the diminished efficacy of its mumps vaccine, (vii) falsely verified that each manufacturing lot of mumps vaccine would be as effective as identified in the labeling, (viii) falsely certified the accuracy of applications filed with the FDA, (ix) falsely certified compliance with the terms of the CDC purchase contract, (x) engaged in the fraud and concealment describe herein for the purpose of illegally monopolizing the U.S. market for mumps vaccine, (xi) mislabeled, misbranded, and falsely certified its mumps vaccine, and (xii) engaged in the other acts described herein to conceal the diminished efficacy of the vaccine the government was purchasing."
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posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 03:29 AM
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originally posted by: BMorris

This really is basic science.


Which is why the anti-vaxers struggle with it.



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 03:38 AM
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originally posted by: GetHyped

originally posted by: BMorris

This really is basic science.


Which is why the anti-vaxers struggle with it.


And people who really don't understand science at all make such claims as you two meanwhile dismissing a plethora of case studies that contradict their claims.

If you are not going to add anything intelligent to the thread, perhaps you shouldn't respond at all. Thanks.


Calling "basic science" the complexity of neurological disorders... I swear sometimes...


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posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 03:54 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

All you've done isove the goal posts and misrepresent science you don't understand. Not terribly surprising from an individual who thinks the sun is powered by electricity.

I refer you to the infamous Dumning-Kruger graph.
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posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 04:07 AM
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originally posted by: GetHyped
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

All you've done isove the goal posts and misrepresent science you don't understand. Not terribly surprising from an individual who thinks the sun is powered by electricity.

I refer you to the infamous Dumning-Kruger graph.



LOL... trying to dismiss facts based on the username a member uses... Good job "GetHyped"...

Tell me, who is really trying to change the goal posts and derail this thread?...

Let me TRY to give you a subtle hint...


originally posted by: GetHyped
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Not terribly surprising from an individual who thinks the sun is powered by electricity.


But hey, maybe you have forgotten what the topic of the thread is about which has NOTHING to do with why I chose my username...




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posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 05:26 AM
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My sister worked in a hospital and was forced to take the flu shot. It didn't prevent a damn thing. She got the flu anyways every year for 3 consecutive years in a row. I haven't had a flu shot ever and I have never had the flu even being around people who did have the flu. I honestly cannot remember the last time I was ever sick. It's been years.



posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 06:08 AM
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A Case-Control Study of Mercury Burden in Children with Autistic Spectrum Disorders

Jeff Bradstreet, M.D.
DavidA. Geier, B.A.
Jerold J. Kartzinel, M.D.
James B.Adams, Ph.D.
MarkR. Geier, M.D., Ph.D.
Background
ABSTRACT

Large autism epidemics have recently been reported in the United States and the United Kingdom. Emerging epidemiologic
evidence and biologic plausibility suggest an association between autistic spectrum disorders and mercury exposure.
This study compares mercury excretion after a three-day treatment with an oral chelating agent, meso-2,3- dimercaptosuccinic acid (DMSA), in children with autistic spectrum disorders and a matched control population. Overall, urinary mercury concentrations were significantly higher in 221 children with autistic spectrum disorders than in 18 normal controls (Relative Increase (RI)=3.15; P < 0.0002). Additionally, vaccinated cases showed a significantly higher urinary mercury concentration than did vaccinated controls (RI=5.94; P < 0.005). Similar urinary mercury concentrations were observed among matched vaccinated and unvaccinated controls, and no association was found between urinary cadmium or lead concentrations and autistic spectrum disorders.
The observed urinary concentrations of mercury could plausibly have resulted from thimerosal in childhood vaccines, although other environmental sources and thimerosal in Rh (D) immune globulin administered to mothers may be contributory.
Regardless of the mechanism by which children with autistic spectrum disorders have high urinary mercury concentrations, the MSA treatment described in this study might be useful to diagnose their present burden of mercury.
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Recent studies have analyzed the prevalence of autism from the mid-1980s through 2002 in the United States and the United Kingdom. ]The prevalence of autism is estimated to have risen from one in about 2,500 children in the mid-1980s to as common as one in 150 by 2002. Further, since all of these studies find the prevalence of autism in males to be four times that of females, the male prevalence of this disorder exceeds one in 100. These studies show that the rise in the prevalence in autism is genuine and not the result of population migration, differences in diagnostic criteria, or other potential confounders.
In 2001, the Institute of Medicine (IOM) of the United States National Academy of Sciences determined that a link between mercury from thimerosal contained in childhood vaccines and the recent dramatic increase in neurodevelopment disorders is biologically plausible. Recent studies demonstrate a strong epidemiologic link between exposure to mercury from thimerosal contained in childhood vaccines and neurodevelopment disorders.
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www.vaccinationnews.org...






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posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 08:00 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Pardon?



What?
Formaldehyde is produced in the upper atmosphere so that's why it occurs in organisms?
I'll say it again.
WHAT?
(That may have been true billions of years ago when we were evolving but we've adapted since then...)


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AGAIN, and why is it that formaldehyde is produced in SMALL AMOUNTS by the body?...

AGAIN, just because a SMALL AMOUNT is produced by the body it doesn't mean that injecting yourself, and much less infants/children with it is safe...

Vaccine ingredients can have more than one substance which can be toxic to the body, and the fact that there are several vaccinations given to children, plus booster shots, etc, the amount of these substances increases in the body and there is an overload due to the accumulation of the substances. Some substances can be toxic at smaller amounts than others.

Remember that formaldehyde is used to "kill bacteria", and you should also remember that there are bacteria/germs that protect our bodies, and they help our basic bodily functions. Formaldehyde, and other similar substances doesn't differentiate one bacteria from another, and too much accumulation of substances like formaldehyde/formalin can and do become toxic.

There are many substances that the body needs, or produces, such as iron, but there can be an overload of such substances present in the body and poisoning can occur.

Another substance which "can" be very toxic, more so for developing infants/children, is sodium chloride (yes even table salt can be toxic). The toxicity of sodium chloride comes from Na and is dependent on the availability of water in the body, and whether the person/child is properly hydrated. If properly hydrated most organisms, including humans, can tolerate a high dose of sodium chloride. If there is improper hydration the toxicity of Na can induce acute toxicosis (sodium ion toxicity-water deprivation syndrome) which can cause blindness, convulsions, incoordination, recumbency and death. For this reason it is very important to keep your infant, and adults as well, properly hydrated with filtered water.

What you are claiming is that it doesn't matter what level of accumulation of these substances our bodies can have... That is your latest type of denial on this topic... Apart from claiming that doctors specialists in neurology and other branches of medicine who have studied this subject don't know what they are saying. But the only one truly showing not to know or understand this is you, among some other people.



Have you ever eaten a pear?
That contains a LOT of formaldehyde.
Far more than the trace amounts in vaccines even if you added them all up together in a lifetime.
But guess what, like I've already shown you, your body has a wonderful method of dealing with excess formaldehyde as it does with toxins it encounters every day.
Formaldehyde doesn't accumulate.
Thimerasol doesn't accumulate.
Aluminium salts do not accumulate.


Proof, if any was needed, that you are a fear-mongering, chemophobic luddite.


"What you are claiming is that it doesn't matter what level of accumulation of these substances our bodies can have."
Nope.
You really need to read things properly else you look like a fool.


And yes, I will challenge doctors who consider themselves experts on a subject they've had no dealings with and who have never worked with other than to cash in on books they've written.
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posted on Oct, 3 2014 @ 08:07 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Pardon?
So, you have a radiologist, an holistic psychiatrist and an absolute nutcase who you're citing as experts even though none of them have relevant credentials, qualifications or can back up what they say with credible research and studies.
Hmm.
But you eschew the vaccinologists and immunologists whose life's work is with vaccines?
Says a lot about you doesn't it?


wow, really? I posted 15 studies or more FROM DIFFERENT DOCTORS AND MEDICAL RESEARCHERS who have studied/study this subject, not just those three you want to concentrate on because you can't formulate an intelligent counter argument. This is called "character assassination" or ad hominem attack. When you can't offer an intelligent argument some people resort to this tactic.

BTW...

AGAIN, Kelly Brogan has a MA BS in Brain and Cognitive Science/Systems Neuroscience. She is not a general practitioner, and she is not just a psychiatrist... She specializes in brain and cognitive science/systems neuroscience... Do you even understand what that is?


Research / Cognitive Neuroscience

Cognitive neuroscience is a multidisciplinary field of research that encompasses systems neuroscience, computation, and cognitive science. Its goal is to further our understanding of the relationship between cognitive phenomena and the underlying physical substrate of the brain. Using a combination of behavioral testing, advanced brain imaging, and theoretical modeling, the cognitive neuroscience research endeavors taking place within the department seek to elucidate how high-level functions, such as language and visual object recognition, relate to specific neural substructures in the brain.
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bcs.mit.edu...

Also...

What is Vascular and Interventional Radiology


Interventional Radiology is a medical sub-specialty of radiology utilizing minimally-invasive image-guided procedures to diagnose and treat diseases in nearly every organ system. The concept behind interventional radiology is to diagnose and treat patients using the least invasive techniques currently available in order to minimize risk to the patient and improve health outcomes. These procedures have less risk, less pain and less recovery time compared to open surgery.

Interventional radiologists are medical doctors with additional six or seven years of specialized training after medical school. All of our Faculty Interventionalists have completed a one or two-year fellowship program after their diagnostic radiology residency. They are certified by the American Board of Radiology.
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www.hopkinsmedicine.org...

AGAIN you are only grasping at straws and have no basis for your false claims.




And all of the links you have posted have been soundly debunked.
But you still clinging on to them because they sound good and have big words in.

Cognitive neuroscience is nothing to do with vaccinology and/or immunology.
Interventional radiology has nothing to do with vaccinology and/or immunology.

Again, proof you haven't the first clue about medical disciplines and what they do.
Like I said, would you trust a cardiologist to perform brain surgery on you?
I wouldn't.




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