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posted on Feb, 10 2015 @ 06:44 PM
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BTW, in the case of the MMR vaccine, and the possible "encephalopathy" it may cause. Remember that the MMR is a live attenuated vaccine, which contains the live attenuated form of the viruses. Children, and adults who are pre-disposed to have a mitochondrial dysfunction can develop autism, or other neurological disorders after receiving the MMR vaccine.

Also remember that Rubella, is one of the confirmed causes of Autism. There are children that shouldn't receive the MMR vaccine, and there are ways to avoid the possible brain inflammation that the MMR vaccine could cause, so it is a good idea to ask your doctor about it. Of, course, always consult with your doctor.

Anyways, it seems obvious that the "pro-vaccine manufacturers" in this thread forget the fraud behind the "pro-vaccine" figures such as Dr. Poul Thorsen, who worked with the CDC on 36 papers regarding autism and vaccines.

This is old news but some people need to be reminded of them.



Central Figure in CDC Vaccine Cover-Up Absconds With $2M
Posted: 05/11/2010 5:12 am EDT

A central figure behind the Center for Disease Control's (CDC) claims disputing the link between vaccines and autism and other neurological disorders has disappeared after officials discovered massive fraud involving the theft of millions in taxpayer dollars. Danish police are investigating Dr. Poul Thorsen, who has vanished along with almost $2 million that he had supposedly spent on research.

Thorsen was a leading member of a Danish research group that wrote several key studies supporting CDC's claims that the MMR vaccine and mercury-laden vaccines were safe for children. Thorsen's 2003 Danish study reported a 20-fold increase in autism in Denmark after that country banned mercury based preservatives in its vaccines. His study concluded that mercury could therefore not be the culprit behind the autism epidemic.

His study has long been criticized as fraudulent since it failed to disclose that the increase was an artifact of new mandates requiring, for the first time, that autism cases be reported on the national registry. This new law and the opening of a clinic dedicated to autism treatment in Copenhagen accounted for the sudden rise in reported cases rather than, as Thorsen seemed to suggest, the removal of mercury from vaccines. Despite this obvious chicanery, CDC has long touted the study as the principal proof that mercury-laced vaccines are safe for infants and young children. Mainstream media, particularly the New York Times, has relied on this study as the basis for its public assurances that it is safe to inject young children with mercury -- a potent neurotoxin -- at concentrations hundreds of times over the U.S. safety limits.
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www.huffingtonpost.com...

And...


U.S. Congressman Compares Corruption in CDC's Vaccine Safety Studies to SEC's Handling of Bernie Madoff Scandal
Congressman Bill Posey Has Strong Words for Government Agency. Concludes: "I think the CDC Should Be Investigated."


AutismOne April 16, 2014 9:00 AM


WATCHUNG, N.J., April 16, 2014 /PRNewswire-iReach/ -- In an April 8 interview on AutismOne's A Conversation of Hope radio show, Congressman Bill Posey's strong resolve and demands for transparency were evident as he discussed the Center for Disease Control (CDC)'s handling of vaccine safety studies which affect "our most precious resource in our nation – our children." The 30-minute interview, conducted by vaccine industry watchdog, PhD biochemist Brian Hooker, delves into what Posey called "the incestuous relationship between the public health community and the vaccine makers and public officials."

Photo - photos.prnewswire.com...

The Florida legislator, known as "Mr. Accountabililty," did not mince words when criticizing current and past CDC officials including indicted fraudster Dr. Poul Thorsen; CDC director turned Merck Vaccine President Dr. Julie Gerberding; and the agency's current spokesperson regarding autism and vaccines, Dr. Coleen Boyle.

On Thorsen, Posey said "If you read through the emails and learned about the meetings and the financial arrangement this crook had with the CDC, it will make you absolutely sick to your stomach. This was no casual researcher way down the line. This is the CDC's key man in Denmark. He was closely tied to the CDC's top vaccine safety researchers… as long as Thorsen was cooking the books to produce the results they wanted, they didn't care whether the studies were valid or how much money was being siphoned off the top…It's like the Security and Exchange Commission and Bernie Madoff. But it's worse because we're talking about someone who basically stole money that was supposed to be used to improve the health and safety of our most vulnerable in our society – our young babies."

Dr. Hooker remarked that Thorsen had collaborated with the CDC on 36 papers, not just one paper as claimed by Dr. Boyle, and that the agency refused to investigate studies exonerating vaccines' role in causing autism following his indictment on wire fraud and money laundering. Posey described Boyle as "intentionally evasive," in his questioning of her at a Congressional hearing. "I asked her a very direct question. 'Have you done a study comparing autism rates in vaccinated vs. unvaccinated children?...' She started telling us about everything she's done …After she wasted three minutes, I cut her off and I demanded that she answer the question. And then, only then, did she admit that the federal government has never done that very simple, fundamental, basic study."
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finance.yahoo.com...

BTW, before some of you begin claiming "that man must be a liberal, or a democrat" Bill Posey is in fact a Republican. So this has nothing to do with politics at all, but has to do with the fraud that the CDC, and big pharma alongside some of their scientists have been participating in to exonerate vaccines with adjuvants, and compounds like ethyl-mercury.





edit on 10-2-2015 by ElectricUniverse because: add comment.




posted on Feb, 13 2015 @ 06:08 AM
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First of all, what does "attenuated" mean?
It means that the virulent part of the pathogen is removed from tha pathogen.
This means that the actual virus itself is far more virulent than the part used in the vaccine and is therefore more harmful.
Basic biology.

Next, any chance you can cite your sources for the MMR causing autism in people with mitochodrial disorders?
Ensure you show the method of action too.

Also, since you cite Rubella as being a cause for autism, surely that means that being vaccinated against it would offer better protection than not being vaccinated and actually getting Rubella (since the harmful part of the virus is removed in the vaccine. See "attenuation" above.)?

As for Thorsen, as far as I can make out (i.e. I've looked at the studies he was involved in) he wasn't the leading author on the papers and his crime was financial fraud, not medical fraud.

And he wasn't involved in these at all.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Here's some more he wasn't involved in
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
www.bmj.com... (this one demonstrates that there isn't even CORRELATION between MMR and autism, never mind causation)
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov... (again, no association)
pediatrics.aappublications.org... (no association)
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Take this into account
pediatrics.aappublications.org...

And then there's this.
www.sciencedirect.com...

Finally bear this in mind...
The MMR vaccine has NEVER contained thimerosal.
Thimerosal, being a preservative, would KILL the attenuated viruses present in the MMR vaccine
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Such a basic error by you lot.



Obviously you won't read nor take any of the above in as to do so would completely destroy your mistaken beliefs.
However I've posted this so your posts can be countered properly should anyone reading this be swayed by your dishonesty.



posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 07:13 PM
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a reply to: Pardon?

First of all, it is obvious by now that you keep trying to derail the topic by taking comments out of context, and making claims which are not true. You have even claimed that the flu shots do not contain thimerosal and that is not true at all. in fact the multidose flu shots still do contain thimerosal.


...
Do the 2014-2015 seasonal flu vaccines contain thimerosal?

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has approved several formulations of the seasonal flu vaccine, including multi-dose vials and single-dose units. (See Table of Approved Influenza Vaccines for the U.S. 2014–2015 Season.) Since seasonal influenza vaccine is produced in large quantities for annual vaccination campaigns, some of the vaccine is produced in multi-dose vials, and contains thimerosal to safeguard against possible contamination of the vial once it is opened.
...

www.cdc.gov...

You have continuously claimed that any specialist, which includes biochemists, and many doctors with many specialties who have been studying this topic, to you are not experts at all and no one should listen to them...

You have given as proof a meta-analysys which purpotedly left out all the studies that used the information from the US Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System... Guess what? the CDC requires parents and doctors to report all adverse reactions of vaccine to this same system that your meta-analysys left out...


Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)

Vaccines are developed with the highest standards of safety. However, as with any medical procedure, vaccination has some risks. Individuals react differently to vaccines, and there is no way to predict how individuals will react to a particular vaccine.

The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act (NCVIA) requires health care providers to report adverse events (possible side effects) that occur following vaccination, so the Food and Drug Administration (FDA)External Web Site Icon and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) established the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS)External Web Site Icon in 1990. VAERS is a national passive reporting system that accepts reports from the public on adverse events associated with vaccines licensed in the United States. VAERS data are monitored to–
...

www.cdc.gov...

And the excuse given in specific is one case which was reported on purpose by Jim Laidler who submitted the claim of becoming the hulk...

Whose fault is it that such false reports can make it into VAERS?... Whomever made that system right?... That would be the fault of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) who established VAERS...

This system was set up in this manner so that ALL cases of adverse effects from vaccines can be ignored and dismissed, which you obviously and for some unknown agenda also want to dismiss... Like some others in this thread you want to "throw out the baby with the bathwater"...

We might as well tell the police, firefighters, emergency services, etc, etc to ignore all calls of emergency because there are some that are false...

Then we have the fact, which i am sure you are well aware of, that cases of autism after vaccination which are taken to the vaccine court would dismiss any correlation between vaccines and autism. BUT have accepted and have paid full damages to cases in which a link has been found between autism and vaccines causing encephalopathy (swelling of the brain)...


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Vaccines have saved untold millions of lives, and the vast majority of people who get them suffer no major problems.

But there's a trade-off: occasionally, vaccines cause injury or death. Very rarely, patients are left with what's known as "encephalopathy", the medical term for brain damage.

In fact, CBS News has found nearly 1,300 cases in which vaccine-related brain damage has been compensated in court over the past 20 years.

The debate over any links between vaccines and autism - a behavior problem triggered by brain damage - couldn't be more contentious. The great majority of medical opinion holds that vaccines don't cause autism. However, many of the same experts don't dispute that vaccines can, in rare instances, cause brain damage.

Family to Receive $1.5M+ in First-Ever Vaccine-Autism Court Award

Learning From a Previous Vaccine-Autism Case?

Our examination of federal vaccine court decisions over the years reflects this. Children who end up with autistic symptoms or autism have won vaccine injury claims over the years-as long as they highlighted general, widely-accepted brain damage; not autism specifically But when autism or autistic symptoms are alleged as the primary brain damage, the cases are lost.
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www.cbsnews.com...

Of course, i know that you will try to dismiss the above because the links are from a news site...

Last, and not least... Could you point out IN SPECIFIC where in the world did I say that the MMR vaccine has ethyl-mercury?...






edit on 20-2-2015 by ElectricUniverse because: add comment.



posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 07:27 PM
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...On November 29, 2010, the US Court of Vaccine Compensation ruled in favor of his parents against unpersuasive arguments by the government. Elias’ case becomes quietly filed away in vaccine court archives with nearly 1,300 other vaccine brain injuries – none of them apparently being pooled for study. An undetermined number of them, like Elias’, involving autism diagnoses. But to win a case in the Vaccine Court, the condition, autism, cannot be cited.

Indeed, in an earlier report, CBS investigative reporter, Sharyl Atkisson, who had examined federal vaccine court decisions over the years, reported:

Children who end up with autistic symptoms or autism have won vaccine injury claims over the years-as long as they highlighted general, widely-accepted brain damage; not autism specifically. But when autism or autistic symptoms are alleged as the primary brain damage, the cases are lost.

The debate over the links between vaccines and autism – which is triggered by brain damage – is extremely contentious. The great majority of medical opinion contends that vaccines don’t cause autism. However, many of the same experts concede that vaccines can, in rare instances, cause brain damage.

For example, Dr. Brian Strom, of the University of Pennsylvania, who has served on Institute of Medicine panels advising the government on vaccine safety, says “the prevailing medical opinion is that vaccines are scientifically linked to encephalopathy, but not scientifically links to autism.

If so, why is the medical profession–including and especially, government health officials–so resistant to examining the problem and the evidence to ascertain what may be the cause of sudden developmental regression–emergence of autism– in previously healthy infants?

Why are doctors who do try to study the problem, regarded as pariahs?

Surely, the charade of turning a blind eye by deliberately obfuscating the terminology–i.e., putting the head in the sand as if to protect against the evil eye–is especially egregious within the context of legal proceedings whose purpose is to determine the medical-scientific merit of the arguments set forth by two parties to a dispute.

Who, exactly is being protected by the refusal of the medical profession to examine the possible link between childhood vaccines and autism, and by the Court to refuse to entertain the possibility that a connection may exist?

This issue is far from being settled.

www.omsj.org...

Is there a link between encephalopathy and autism?


Dev Med Child Neurol. 2006 Feb;48(2):85-9.
Autism following a history of newborn encephalopathy: more than a coincidence?
Badawi N1, Dixon G, Felix JF, Keogh JM, Petterson B, Stanley FJ, Kurinczuk JJ.
Author information
Abstract

Between June 1993 and December 1996, 276 term newborn infants with encephalopathy and 564 randomly selected term controls were enrolled in a population-based study of moderate and severe term newborn encephalopathy (NE) in Western Australia. During comprehensive neurobehavioural and cognitive follow-up of all patients and controls at 3 years and again at 5 years of age we found an unexpected but strong association between NE and autism spectrum disorders (ASDs). A diagnosis of ASD by age 5 years was reached using criteria according of the Diagnostic Statistical Manual, 4th edition. Linking records to the Western Australian Disability Services Commission Register ensured that no child in the study with ASD was missed. By age 5 years, 37 (13.4%) infants with NE and one (0.2%) control had died. Among the 239 survivors of NE, 12 (5%) were diagnosed with an ASD. Of these, 10 (4.2%) met the full criteria for autism, one had pervasive developmental disorder-not otherwise specified, and one had Asperger syndrome. Among the 563 surviving controls, five (0.8%) were diagnosed with an ASD: three with autism, one with autism/possible Asperger syndrome, and one with Asperger syndrome. Compared with the controls, the children who had experienced NE were 5.9 times (95% confidence interval 2.0-16.9) more likely to have been diagnosed with an ASD.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

The children who had experienced newborn encephalopathy were 5.9 times more likely to have been diagnosed with an ASD...

Encephalopathy increases the chances of a child to develop autism... Since the vaccine courts, and despite some governments and certain health organizations trying to hide this, we know that it has been proven in court that vaccinations can cause encephalopathy, which in turn increases the chances of a child to develop neurological disorders, including autism...




edit on 20-2-2015 by ElectricUniverse because: add comment.



posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 07:36 PM
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The shots are giving to prevent the spread of viruses like flu, in the hospital environment where there are people who could die if they contracted it. These nurses should know this.



posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 07:48 PM
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Int. J. Environ. Res. Public Health 2013, 10(8), 3771-3800; doi:10.3390/ijerph10083771
Review
Thimerosal Exposure and the Role of Sulfation Chemistry and Thiol Availability in Autism
Janet K. Kern 1,* , Boyd E. Haley 2, David A. Geier 1, Lisa K. Sykes 3, Paul G. King 3 and Mark R. Geier 1

+ Authors' affiliations

1 Institute of Chronic Illnesses, Inc., Silver Spring, MD 20905, USA 2 Department of Chemistry, University of Kentucky, Lexington, KY 40506, USA 3 CoMeD, Inc., Silver Spring, MD 20905, USA
* Author to whom correspondence should be addressed.

Received: 14 May 2013 / Revised: 10 July 2013 / Accepted: 11 July 2013 / Published: 20 August 2013
(This article belongs to the Special Issue Environmental Health Risk Assessment)
View Full-Text | Download PDF [285 KB, uploaded 19 June 2014] | Browse Figure

Abstract: Autism spectrum disorder (ASD) is a neurological disorder in which a significant number of the children experience a developmental regression characterized by a loss of previously acquired skills and abilities. Typically reported are losses of verbal, nonverbal, and social abilities. Several recent studies suggest that children diagnosed with an ASD have abnormal sulfation chemistry, limited thiol availability, and decreased glutathione (GSH) reserve capacity, resulting in a compromised oxidation/reduction (redox) and detoxification capacity. Research indicates that the availability of thiols, particularly GSH, can influence the effects of thimerosal (TM) and other mercury (Hg) compounds. TM is an organomercurial compound (49.55% Hg by weight) that has been, and continues to be, used as a preservative in many childhood vaccines, particularly in developing countries. Thiol-modulating mechanisms affecting the cytotoxicity of TM have been identified. Importantly, the emergence of ASD symptoms post-6 months of age temporally follows the administration of many childhood vaccines. The purpose of the present critical review is provide mechanistic insight regarding how limited thiol availability, abnormal sulfation chemistry, and decreased GSH reserve capacity in children with an ASD could make them more susceptible to the toxic effects of TM routinely administered as part of mandated childhood immunization schedules.
Keywords: thimerosal; susceptibility; sulfation; thiols; autism

www.mdpi.com...


J Toxicol. 2013; 2013: 801517.
Published online 2013 Jun 9. doi: 10.1155/2013/801517
PMCID: PMC3697751
B-Lymphocytes from a Population of Children with Autism Spectrum Disorder and Their Unaffected Siblings Exhibit Hypersensitivity to Thimerosal
Martyn A. Sharpe, Taylor L. Gist, and David S. Baskin*
Department of Neurosurgery, The Methodist Neurological Institute, 6560 Fannin Street, Scurlock Tower No. 944, Houston, TX 77030, USA
*David S. Baskin: Email: gro.shmt@niksabd
Academic Editor: Lucio Guido Costa

Abstract

The role of thimerosal containing vaccines in the development of autism spectrum disorder (ASD) has been an area of intense debate, as has the presence of mercury dental amalgams and fish ingestion by pregnant mothers. We studied the effects of thimerosal on cell proliferation and mitochondrial function from B-lymphocytes taken from individuals with autism, their nonautistic twins, and their nontwin siblings. Eleven families were examined and compared to matched controls. B-cells were grown with increasing levels of thimerosal, and various assays (LDH, XTT, DCFH, etc.) were performed to examine the effects on cellular proliferation and mitochondrial function. A subpopulation of eight individuals (4 ASD, 2 twins, and 2 siblings) from four of the families showed thimerosal hypersensitivity, whereas none of the control individuals displayed this response. The thimerosal concentration required to inhibit cell proliferation in these individuals was only 40% of controls. Cells hypersensitive to thimerosal also had higher levels of oxidative stress markers, protein carbonyls, and oxidant generation. This suggests certain individuals with a mild mitochondrial defect may be highly susceptible to mitochondrial specific toxins like the vaccine preservative thimerosal.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Did you get that last part or do you need me to point it out again?


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Cells hypersensitive to thimerosal also had higher levels of oxidative stress markers, protein carbonyls, and oxidant generation. This suggests certain individuals with a mild mitochondrial defect may be highly susceptible to mitochondrial specific toxins like the vaccine preservative thimerosal.
...



posted on Feb, 20 2015 @ 07:53 PM
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a reply to: alexkelsey92

Yet nurses who get the shot can, and do get the flu because it is more likely that the vaccine they received is a different strain from the current flu virus as i have demonstrated. You should know this, unless like so many others you chose to ignore this.


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The main strain thats making people sick is different from the strains included in this years vaccine. As a result, many people are getting sick, even if they got their shots as recommended.
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www.webmd.com...



posted on Feb, 23 2015 @ 10:46 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: Pardon?

First of all, it is obvious by now that you keep trying to derail the topic by taking comments out of context, and making claims which are not true. You have even claimed that the flu shots do not contain thimerosal and that is not true at all. in fact the multidose flu shots still do contain thimerosal.


...
Do the 2014-2015 seasonal flu vaccines contain thimerosal?

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has approved several formulations of the seasonal flu vaccine, including multi-dose vials and single-dose units. (See Table of Approved Influenza Vaccines for the U.S. 2014–2015 Season.) Since seasonal influenza vaccine is produced in large quantities for annual vaccination campaigns, some of the vaccine is produced in multi-dose vials, and contains thimerosal to safeguard against possible contamination of the vial once it is opened.
...

www.cdc.gov...

You have continuously claimed that any specialist, which includes biochemists, and many doctors with many specialties who have been studying this topic, to you are not experts at all and no one should listen to them...

You have given as proof a meta-analysys which purpotedly left out all the studies that used the information from the US Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System... Guess what? the CDC requires parents and doctors to report all adverse reactions of vaccine to this same system that your meta-analysys left out...


Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)

Vaccines are developed with the highest standards of safety. However, as with any medical procedure, vaccination has some risks. Individuals react differently to vaccines, and there is no way to predict how individuals will react to a particular vaccine.

The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act (NCVIA) requires health care providers to report adverse events (possible side effects) that occur following vaccination, so the Food and Drug Administration (FDA)External Web Site Icon and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) established the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS)External Web Site Icon in 1990. VAERS is a national passive reporting system that accepts reports from the public on adverse events associated with vaccines licensed in the United States. VAERS data are monitored to–
...

www.cdc.gov...

And the excuse given in specific is one case which was reported on purpose by Jim Laidler who submitted the claim of becoming the hulk...

Whose fault is it that such false reports can make it into VAERS?... Whomever made that system right?... That would be the fault of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) who established VAERS...

This system was set up in this manner so that ALL cases of adverse effects from vaccines can be ignored and dismissed, which you obviously and for some unknown agenda also want to dismiss... Like some others in this thread you want to "throw out the baby with the bathwater"...

We might as well tell the police, firefighters, emergency services, etc, etc to ignore all calls of emergency because there are some that are false...

Then we have the fact, which i am sure you are well aware of, that cases of autism after vaccination which are taken to the vaccine court would dismiss any correlation between vaccines and autism. BUT have accepted and have paid full damages to cases in which a link has been found between autism and vaccines causing encephalopathy (swelling of the brain)...


...
Vaccines have saved untold millions of lives, and the vast majority of people who get them suffer no major problems.

But there's a trade-off: occasionally, vaccines cause injury or death. Very rarely, patients are left with what's known as "encephalopathy", the medical term for brain damage.

In fact, CBS News has found nearly 1,300 cases in which vaccine-related brain damage has been compensated in court over the past 20 years.

The debate over any links between vaccines and autism - a behavior problem triggered by brain damage - couldn't be more contentious. The great majority of medical opinion holds that vaccines don't cause autism. However, many of the same experts don't dispute that vaccines can, in rare instances, cause brain damage.

Family to Receive $1.5M+ in First-Ever Vaccine-Autism Court Award

Learning From a Previous Vaccine-Autism Case?

Our examination of federal vaccine court decisions over the years reflects this. Children who end up with autistic symptoms or autism have won vaccine injury claims over the years-as long as they highlighted general, widely-accepted brain damage; not autism specifically But when autism or autistic symptoms are alleged as the primary brain damage, the cases are lost.
...

www.cbsnews.com...

Of course, i know that you will try to dismiss the above because the links are from a news site...

Last, and not least... Could you point out IN SPECIFIC where in the world did I say that the MMR vaccine has ethyl-mercury?...

Apologies if you haven't specifically said that the MMR has ethyl-mercury in it but you have continually said it about the flu shot which is true, well sort of (thimerosal ISN'T ethyl-mercury btw), however...
Kid's generally don't get the flu shot.
Kid's flu vaccine is the nasal spray.
And that doesn't contain thimerosal (or ethyl-mercury for that matter) does it?

And you still don't know how the information in VAERS is used properly do you?

I won't dismiss the article because it's from a news site.
I will dismiss it because it's from Sharyl Attkisson though.
According to you and her, this one case proves that vaccines can cause autism.
And it doesn't. At all.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...



posted on Feb, 23 2015 @ 11:07 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: alexkelsey92

Yet nurses who get the shot can, and do get the flu because it is more likely that the vaccine they received is a different strain from the current flu virus as i have demonstrated. You should know this, unless like so many others you chose to ignore this.


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The main strain thats making people sick is different from the strains included in this years vaccine. As a result, many people are getting sick, even if they got their shots as recommended.
...

www.webmd.com...




Yep they didn't predict the correct strain this year but it still provides protection for about 20% of it.
That's better than nothing isn't it?

As the bottom of your link reads...
“It’s always better to have some protection rather than no protection,” says Len Horovitz, MD, a lung specialist at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City. “Why would you opt for zero, even if the best you could do is 15% or 20%?”



posted on Feb, 23 2015 @ 11:11 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

Int. J. Environ. Res. Public Health 2013, 10(8), 3771-3800; doi:10.3390/ijerph10083771
Review
Thimerosal Exposure and the Role of Sulfation Chemistry and Thiol Availability in Autism
Janet K. Kern 1,* , Boyd E. Haley 2, David A. Geier 1, Lisa K. Sykes 3, Paul G. King 3 and Mark R. Geier 1

+ Authors' affiliations

1 Institute of Chronic Illnesses, Inc., Silver Spring, MD 20905, USA 2 Department of Chemistry, University of Kentucky, Lexington, KY 40506, USA 3 CoMeD, Inc., Silver Spring, MD 20905, USA
* Author to whom correspondence should be addressed.

Received: 14 May 2013 / Revised: 10 July 2013 / Accepted: 11 July 2013 / Published: 20 August 2013
(This article belongs to the Special Issue Environmental Health Risk Assessment)
View Full-Text | Download PDF [285 KB, uploaded 19 June 2014] | Browse Figure

Abstract: Autism spectrum disorder (ASD) is a neurological disorder in which a significant number of the children experience a developmental regression characterized by a loss of previously acquired skills and abilities. Typically reported are losses of verbal, nonverbal, and social abilities. Several recent studies suggest that children diagnosed with an ASD have abnormal sulfation chemistry, limited thiol availability, and decreased glutathione (GSH) reserve capacity, resulting in a compromised oxidation/reduction (redox) and detoxification capacity. Research indicates that the availability of thiols, particularly GSH, can influence the effects of thimerosal (TM) and other mercury (Hg) compounds. TM is an organomercurial compound (49.55% Hg by weight) that has been, and continues to be, used as a preservative in many childhood vaccines, particularly in developing countries. Thiol-modulating mechanisms affecting the cytotoxicity of TM have been identified. Importantly, the emergence of ASD symptoms post-6 months of age temporally follows the administration of many childhood vaccines. The purpose of the present critical review is provide mechanistic insight regarding how limited thiol availability, abnormal sulfation chemistry, and decreased GSH reserve capacity in children with an ASD could make them more susceptible to the toxic effects of TM routinely administered as part of mandated childhood immunization schedules.
Keywords: thimerosal; susceptibility; sulfation; thiols; autism

www.mdpi.com...


J Toxicol. 2013; 2013: 801517.
Published online 2013 Jun 9. doi: 10.1155/2013/801517
PMCID: PMC3697751
B-Lymphocytes from a Population of Children with Autism Spectrum Disorder and Their Unaffected Siblings Exhibit Hypersensitivity to Thimerosal
Martyn A. Sharpe, Taylor L. Gist, and David S. Baskin*
Department of Neurosurgery, The Methodist Neurological Institute, 6560 Fannin Street, Scurlock Tower No. 944, Houston, TX 77030, USA
*David S. Baskin: Email: gro.shmt@niksabd
Academic Editor: Lucio Guido Costa

Abstract

The role of thimerosal containing vaccines in the development of autism spectrum disorder (ASD) has been an area of intense debate, as has the presence of mercury dental amalgams and fish ingestion by pregnant mothers. We studied the effects of thimerosal on cell proliferation and mitochondrial function from B-lymphocytes taken from individuals with autism, their nonautistic twins, and their nontwin siblings. Eleven families were examined and compared to matched controls. B-cells were grown with increasing levels of thimerosal, and various assays (LDH, XTT, DCFH, etc.) were performed to examine the effects on cellular proliferation and mitochondrial function. A subpopulation of eight individuals (4 ASD, 2 twins, and 2 siblings) from four of the families showed thimerosal hypersensitivity, whereas none of the control individuals displayed this response. The thimerosal concentration required to inhibit cell proliferation in these individuals was only 40% of controls. Cells hypersensitive to thimerosal also had higher levels of oxidative stress markers, protein carbonyls, and oxidant generation. This suggests certain individuals with a mild mitochondrial defect may be highly susceptible to mitochondrial specific toxins like the vaccine preservative thimerosal.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Did you get that last part or do you need me to point it out again?


...
Cells hypersensitive to thimerosal also had higher levels of oxidative stress markers, protein carbonyls, and oxidant generation. This suggests certain individuals with a mild mitochondrial defect may be highly susceptible to mitochondrial specific toxins like the vaccine preservative thimerosal.
...




I'll ignore the Geiers "study" which is self-referenced by them.
Never a good sign of robustness.

As for the second one, even though you quoted it twice you seem to have still missed what it means.
Look up the words "suggests" and "may be" and then come back to me when studies prove their hypotheses.
As that study doesn't prove anything whatsoever.



posted on Feb, 23 2015 @ 11:16 AM
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What is really ridiculous about hospitals forcing these requirements, who are not doing it to help anyone from getting the flu, but rather only jumping onboard the stupid bandwagon of political pressure coming from the Borg like mentality of political correctness which comes from the media who are parroting whatever idiotic ideals and notions their enablers are gibbering.

Artificial intelligence at it's best.



posted on Feb, 23 2015 @ 03:36 PM
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Of course you'll ignore studies... BTW, the "Geiers" weren't the only specialists who participated in that study, but of course you try to dismiss it by just mentioning 'the Geiers"... Just like you have ignored and dismissed every doctor, and researcher who refute your claims...

One more thing... The study in which the Geiers were a part of also referenced other research by other specialists. But again you ignored this and just claimed it was self referenced to only other studies of the Geiers...

The references given in that study include.



Blood Lead Concentrations in Jamaican Children with and without Autism Spectrum Disorder
Rahbar, Mohammad H.; Samms-Vaughan, Maureen ; Dickerson, Aisha S.; Loveland, Katherine A.; Ardjomand-Hessabi, Manouchehr ; Bressler, Jan ; Shakespeare-Pellington, Sydonnie ; Grove, Megan L.; Pearson, Deborah A.; Boerwinkle, Eric et al., Int J Environ Res Public Health, 2014

Lead Excretion in Spanish Children with Autism Spectrum Disorder
Fuentes-Albero, Milagros ; Puig-Alcaraz, Carmen ; Cauli, Omar et al., Brain Sci, 2015

Mouse models of mutations and variations in autism spectrum disorder-associated genes: mice expressing Caps2/Cadps2 copy number and alternative splicing variants.
Tetsushi Sadakata et al., Int J Environ Res Public Health, 2013

The dynamics of autism spectrum disorders: how neurotoxic compounds and neurotransmitters interact.
Ilona Quaak et al., Int J Environ Res Public Health, 2013

www.mdpi.com...


As for your second response... You asked me to post evidence in reference to my comment in which I wrote specifically...


Children, and adults who are pre-disposed to have a mitochondrial dysfunction can develop autism, or other neurological disorders after receiving the MMR vaccine.


Now you are trying to dismiss the evidence I provided because "the research suggests certain individuals with a mild mitochondrial defect may be highly susceptible to mitochondrial specific toxins like the vaccine preservative thimerosal.


Let me ask you something... Are you even remotely familiar with medical research?... The use of words like "the research/study suggests" and the word "may" are used in a lot of research studies, and the use of those words doesn't invalidate the results of such research...

Let me actually show some examples. Because it is more and more obvious that you have no idea what to do to try to dismiss the evidence provided here...


Bacteria May Help Battle Cancer, Study Suggests
Weakened germ injected into tumor killed malignant cells, researchers report
...

www.webmd.com...



Breastfeeding may reduce arsenic exposure in infants, study suggests
...

www.medicalnewstoday.com...


Preventing Alzheimer’s Disease: What Do We Know?
...
Do Exercise and Physical Activity Protect the Brain?

Exercise and other types of physical activity have many benefits. Studies show that they are good for our hearts, waistlines, and ability to carry out everyday activities. Epidemiological studies and some intervention studies suggest that physical exercise may also play a role in reducing risk for Alzheimer’s disease and age-related cognitive decline.
...

www.nia.nih.gov...

Not trying to derail the thread, just showing how inane Pardon's argument is...


I wonder what next "excuse" Pardon and company will try to concoct next...

edit on 23-2-2015 by ElectricUniverse because: add comment and evidence.



posted on Feb, 24 2015 @ 02:21 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: Pardon?

Of course you'll ignore studies... BTW, the "Geiers" weren't the only specialists who participated in that study, but of course you try to dismiss it by just mentioning 'the Geiers"... Just like you have ignored and dismissed every doctor, and researcher who refute your claims...

One more thing... The study in which the Geiers were a part of also referenced other research by other specialists. But again you ignored this and just claimed it was self referenced to only other studies of the Geiers...

The references given in that study include.



Blood Lead Concentrations in Jamaican Children with and without Autism Spectrum Disorder
Rahbar, Mohammad H.; Samms-Vaughan, Maureen ; Dickerson, Aisha S.; Loveland, Katherine A.; Ardjomand-Hessabi, Manouchehr ; Bressler, Jan ; Shakespeare-Pellington, Sydonnie ; Grove, Megan L.; Pearson, Deborah A.; Boerwinkle, Eric et al., Int J Environ Res Public Health, 2014

Lead Excretion in Spanish Children with Autism Spectrum Disorder
Fuentes-Albero, Milagros ; Puig-Alcaraz, Carmen ; Cauli, Omar et al., Brain Sci, 2015

Mouse models of mutations and variations in autism spectrum disorder-associated genes: mice expressing Caps2/Cadps2 copy number and alternative splicing variants.
Tetsushi Sadakata et al., Int J Environ Res Public Health, 2013

The dynamics of autism spectrum disorders: how neurotoxic compounds and neurotransmitters interact.
Ilona Quaak et al., Int J Environ Res Public Health, 2013

www.mdpi.com...


As for your second response... You asked me to post evidence in reference to my comment in which I wrote specifically...


Children, and adults who are pre-disposed to have a mitochondrial dysfunction can develop autism, or other neurological disorders after receiving the MMR vaccine.


Now you are trying to dismiss the evidence I provided because "the research suggests certain individuals with a mild mitochondrial defect may be highly susceptible to mitochondrial specific toxins like the vaccine preservative thimerosal.


Let me ask you something... Are you even remotely familiar with medical research?... The use of words like "the research/study suggests" and the word "may" are used in a lot of research studies, and the use of those words doesn't invalidate the results of such research...

Let me actually show some examples. Because it is more and more obvious that you have no idea what to do to try to dismiss the evidence provided here...


Bacteria May Help Battle Cancer, Study Suggests
Weakened germ injected into tumor killed malignant cells, researchers report
...

www.webmd.com...



Breastfeeding may reduce arsenic exposure in infants, study suggests
...

www.medicalnewstoday.com...


Preventing Alzheimer’s Disease: What Do We Know?
...
Do Exercise and Physical Activity Protect the Brain?

Exercise and other types of physical activity have many benefits. Studies show that they are good for our hearts, waistlines, and ability to carry out everyday activities. Epidemiological studies and some intervention studies suggest that physical exercise may also play a role in reducing risk for Alzheimer’s disease and age-related cognitive decline.
...

www.nia.nih.gov...

Not trying to derail the thread, just showing how inane Pardon's argument is...


I wonder what next "excuse" Pardon and company will try to concoct next...


Mark Geier is a professional witness for people who have alleged vaccine injuries.
He designs studies to use as evidence.
Studies which reference previous studies he and his son have done with a couple of others in just to make them look sound.
The fact that he (they) use very little of the third party references seems to have passed you by.
If you can't see what's wrong with that then there's no hope at all for you.

Sorry, research studies which conclude with the words "may" and "could be" etc are precursors.
They need to be proven.
You know with words and phrases like "conclusive", "beyond reasonable doubt" etc.
The one you cited isn't proven and isn't conclusive.
Ever heard of false positives?

Keep on trying to confirm your bizarre beliefs.
It's getting easier and easier countering you.



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