originally posted by: Bleeeeep
a reply to: TheProphetMark
Is love then only situational? Only occuring when someone could be judged, but is not?
Can you define it by what it is, and not by what it's not?
I'd like an easy answer if you got one -- preferably something that's not metaphorical -- something that can be applied to any situation.
And I do not mean to sound sarcastic or rude. I am genuinely asking: Can anyone explain the kind of love Jesus and them were talking about? I'm being
Divine Love is a difficult subject to conceptualize due to it's non-material experiential factors (e.g emotions) but if one is willing to open their
mind enough to "imagine" or "visualize" the non-material experience whilst simultaneously absorbing the conceptualization (i.e reason/logic of or
pertaining to) one may then necessarily comprehend what it is and therefore what it isn't.
Just to make it clear I say Divine Love because it is beyond the love that the human body consciously experiences.
Now before I explain my interpretation of the love Jesus spoke of I'd like to make it clear that my knowledge is based on over a decade of religious
and spiritual studies as well as disciplined conduct in accordance with (spiritual and material) universal laws (e.g the ten commandments, the 8-fold
path, cause and effect, law of attraction and repulsion, etc). Based on personal experiences and consciously aware interactions I have had and
continue to have with the "Universal Benefactor" I have come to the following, for lack of a better term, "conclusions."
Firstly to understand what Jesus meant one must comprehend what Jesus was. He was a man just like you and I born in a period of conflict and poverty.
As we are told in the Gospels Jesus spent his adolescence acquiring as much wisdom as possible as to better understand the human condition of his era.
Much of his experiences were not recorded, or at the least haven't been discovered yet, but, from what is known he studied most if not all of the
major religions and mysteries that were knowable in that time period. After many years passed Jesus returned to his people displaying miraculous
abilities, prophecy, and wisdom. Then for 3 years he spread his words until his prophetic death.
Now, we must never be so foolish as to judge someone elses wisdom based on our own level of conscious awareness because undoubtedly the one judging
has not experienced the wisdom first hand and therefore may misinterpret the communication. Also, it would be catastrophic to ones own understanding
if the very fact that Jesus did not write the Gospels himself slips our mind, but left the recording in the hands of his apostles. The implications of
this matter must be taken into consideration.
But, undoubtedly there is a key to understanding Jesus...and that key has been overlooked by billions of people since he walked this Earth. The key is
not obvious, it is hidden in the same way a magician uses peoples own eyes to distract them from the truth of their magic, which if people knew the
trick they wouldn't be baffled.Which is why the key to understanding resides in his actions, not his words. His words were merely an external
reflection of what he had become internally. It will come to make sense to someone who understands the human mind, their own mind, and that is the
very purpose of speaking in parables. Those who are too caught up in the body (sensual pleasure, desires, selfishness, etc) are controlled by the most
animalistic desires of the human experience and as a result are incapable of grasping intellectual/spiritual/non-sense related wisdom. You can't
comprehend higher knowledge when your mind is enslaved to fulfilling the desires of your body just as you can't comprehend loving someone who shows no
loyalty nor concern for you.
Now what do I mean by the key is in his actions? I mean it as it is said. Jesus' story was not recorded to be some story to make people be nicer to
one another, but it can easily be taken that way when it is read without consideration of the implications. Jesus himself stated he did not come to
make peace on Earth but to turn son against father, mother against daughter, etc. Why would he say that? Because he was aware that people would
ignorantly take his words for face value instead of comprehending the intrinsic meaning behind it all and therefore concluded that his teachings would
be the cause of unrest amongst humanity. Interestingly if taken at face value it seems that Jesus contradicted the love of the lord by spreading
unrest, but again that's only true if one fails to comprehend the implications.
This is why I will tell you right now that the only way to comprehend Jesus and the Divine Love of God is to become like-Jesus. How can someone become
like Jesus? His teachings surely don't give instructions on how to achieve the state of awareness that he achieved, that we know for sure. So what the
heck Jesus? Did you merely play on human gullibility or did you see something within all of us that would, when we are spiritually ready, blossom into
enlightenment? The answer is he did leave us perfectly comprehensible instructions on how to achieve Son/Daughter of God Awareness and those
instructions are his very life story.
When one comes to comprehend the implications of this truth and begins to follow in Jesus' footsteps that person will transform from the inside out
and trust me, that person experiences things that cannot even be communicated with words. These experiences cause the individual to go through stages
of mental breakdowns followed by a complete restructuring of ones experience within the body and the external world that it's apart of. The goal is to
break your minds habitual existence and to literally be reborn (not physically but consciously/mentally) into the true state of awareness, which is
Contemplate this if you wish to attempt to understand Divine Love:
You have a creative mind and one day one of your friends tells you they found the most beautiful painting in the world so you go to see it, it is awe
inspiring and you simply are astonished that someone was capable of making such a perfect, beautiful painting. This is symbolic of the human being
viewing the world from a basic awareness, consciousness filtered by ignorance.
Now what if you suddenly experienced that you were the one who painted that picture, and that everyone and everything that has ever existed was just a
clone (not in looks but in purpose) of you that assisted in creating that beautiful piece of art? Just how much of that awe would turn into a warm
blissful feeling if not all of it? This is symbolic of the human being viewing the world from a higher awareness, consciousness unaffected by desires
of the body and mind.
Now what if you experienced that you, yourself, not as a body but as the awareness that knows you are in a body on a planet was all that has ever
truly existed? Your awareness is who you are, it is aware when you go from being sad to mad to happy to hungry, etc, yet it is never colored by the
experiences, the mind is but that is merely just another sense in which this awareness experiences but is not changed by it. When you come to
experience this as truth, not just to intellectualize it, you will experience God as well as Divine Love.
edit on 29-9-2014 by EviLCHiMP
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