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Black Triangle UFOs and an Alleged Breakaway Civilization- Discuss

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posted on Nov, 4 2014 @ 10:21 PM

originally posted by: Jenisiz
I LOVE how everyone keeps claiming he knew flight paths. With all this flight path prediction how in the hell is it possible we have not one single photo. How is that possible? I've no problem snapping an impromptu photo while driving 75mph down the freeway of an unexpected and unidentified craft but we can't even get a single picture of one that has been predicted numerous times supposedly. When he's telling people expect it here... do they not t hink to take a picture? Even though we're all after proof? Not even a camera phone attempt?

Yeah been thinkin that myself for a while. Your definitely on to something, I like it.

Ps. Hey people next time someone gives you a time and place to see a ufo, BRING A DAMN CAMERA. Why the hell wouldn't you. The more I follow this "story" the more 25/75 gets closer to 100% bs. I knew foreverman was blank, I called it out right away when be showed up, you could tell by thw way he wrote his posts.

posted on Nov, 4 2014 @ 10:22 PM
a reply to: Lichter daraus

The aircraft in question that I related wouldn't have mattered if they got pictures of it, because it wouldn't have been anything but a light in the sky. It flies too high to get pictures of it, unless you catch it at take off or landing.

posted on Nov, 4 2014 @ 11:29 PM
a reply to: Lichter daraus

You have no idea how hard it is to get a decent shot of this thing. It's a slippery little bastard to say the least. Not to long ago I didn't even dare beleive it was real till it was on top of my head. And by the time your mind thinks to snap a shot, it's gone.

And it's that hard to resolve at face value, now I know it can activate a predator type camo, even more elusive now! I don't care who believes me, I just wish I can know how it operates and why over busy cities.

posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 01:32 AM
a reply to: Arpad

I believe it, I have seen things since I was about nine up till the present time.I have seen one triangle in broad day I guess I do understand how it can be difficult to get a pic,im just frustrated with all this speculation but, not much I can do about it.


posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 04:11 AM
Not an Aircraft expert but pre RK AO seemed to think there are loads of these triangle variant crafts.

In terms of the Leading Edge energetic effect in the photo- that could literally be anything...those ITK seem to be saying all sorts of secret boundary layer technology is in use on white and black projects at varying levels of generational development or alternatively- it could jut have had a paint job to assist with observability (lets assume it was meant to be seen).

Although very interesting, I dont think the pictures capture the technology in use in the A0 mythology or Bassplyrs sighting(s) as on both counts they seem to have conventional propulsion (at least at altitude).

The hint AO gave was about "floating" out of a hanger - a facet allegedly observed by Bassplyr; obviously no data to suggest those planes in the Witchita or Texas sightings float - or they might have multi mode thrust/propulsion impossible to tell 100%.

AO specifically talked about a family of crafts that operated as a stealthy, self preserving multi role platform.
When joined together they form a large Chevron, when apart they are triangles with a Diamond docking station.
He seemed to be saying this super secret family of craft were the ones with the weird underside light/array that he took in his photos ( still the best example of undebunked UFO pics I have seen for a long time).

Seemed to be implying HTA technology that could be made to appear as LTA at the flip of a switch for the "floaty" triangle.

Just as an aside- what do the Aviation types make of the "recreation" of the Amarillo event by the USAF as detailed here

Obviously Steve Douglas gives his version but he is too close to the USAF to be trusted IMO- Seems a very strange thing to do- is it an attempt at discrediting the previous sightings or is something afoot?

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posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 08:04 AM
a reply to: Lichter daraus

I knew foreverman was blank, I called it out right away when be showed up, you could tell by thw way he wrote his posts.

Again I reiterate publicly that I am not and never was ***.

I have shown a different story and one that sheds both light and doubt upon various parts of ***'s story.

Note: I have not yet even tried to show that the Vela satellite ...

Vela was the name of a group of satellites developed as the Vela Hotel element of Project Vela by the United States to monitor compliance with the 1963 Partial Test Ban Treaty by the Soviet Union. Vela means "[it/he/she] watches over" in Spanish.

Vela started out as a small budget research program in 1959. It ended 26 years later as a successful, cost-effective military space system, which also provided scientific data on natural sources of space radiation.

The first Vela Hotel pair was launched on October 17, 1963, one week after the Partial Test Ban Treaty went into effect, and the last in 1965. They had a design life of six months, but were actually shut down after five years.

... Nuclear MASINT data may have been totally compromised by the Nuclear pulse detonation Orion-Sprint spaceship exploring around the solar system, 34+times, because not every where has a moon or planets shadow to hide in as they use nuclear detonation propulsion to slow themselves down and the multiple gamma ray radiation bursts from the string of exploding nukes would have been picked up by both Vela and its Russian counterpart satellites and earth based detectors.

Here is the relevant quote from ##SNIPPED##, Black Triangles, abductions... thread, in which I have edited to underline and bold specific data which highlights the issue.

World war 2 and our first steps.

The UK and USA worked together on the Manhattan project - this needs no introduction. They also worked together on RADAR. One without the other would of been no use, but together at the same period of history? unique signatures of man kinds material and scientific development. 1947 was an explosive year, literally.
Why is this important? because of what came next.

During the active detonation testing phases of nuclear weapons, it was rationalised that this explosive force would make an ideal propulsion if it could be focused, directed if you will, to a beneficial use. The theory AND practical side of graphite ablation under the stress of a nuclear detonation was covered, fully understood and deemed highly effective. A lid was put on it tight. So the team approached those in power.

'We cannot be seen to be utilising a nuclear powered space craft inside of the earths atmosphere. The political storm from other nations under the flight path alone would close us down, the massed rioting and permanent presence at any test and evaluation centre of Soviet led agitators would preclude any and all further flights'.
'you want this hidden?'
'Hide what?'

The Conversation that started the entire effort of clandestine research and development of PROJECT GATEWAY.

PROJECT GATEWAY was the effort to develop and build a station outside of earths atmosphere. In the beginning we utilised high altitude balloons which carried aloft rockets to take a team and payload to orbit. It was our rationalisation that a constant flow of smaller launches high over the oceans would draw little or no attention to the project. We were correct.
Space habitat EDEN was completed.

We started small. A three man crew, 600 feet long, ablative disk and magnetic delivery system made 'up there'. What we couldn't produce ourselves we had delivered. A proof of concept vehicle. It was decided that we would take Orion to the dark side of the moon and detonate our first pulse in its shadow. Safety and secrecy dictated the need.
The prototype worked so well in testing that ORION SPRINT was green lit for us.
1800 yards long, 14 crew members, disk grown, milled, polished and perfected all off world. From her first to 33rd flight, she performed faultlessly.
Her 34th mission was a full speed sprint to the Oort cloud, and beyond. Away she went. Fully fuelled, fully equipped. 18 months she was gone.

ORION SPRINT exploration teams were born.

On Terra firma then, a project to create super heavy lift vehicles was frantically underway. So was disinformation and 'other projects' to muddy the waters. Well, not so much muddy but turn jet black with a hint of midnight at the edges. We understood clearly the price our nations would pay if this was found out by the Soviet Union and Chinese (you have to remember this was at the apex of the Cold war).

Now I ask you, which story, ***'s ...

"***'s Story requires Project Orion and nuclear detonation propulsion way before Aliice shows them the way to ancient offworld artifacts that then give them FTL travel capacity."

or mine ...

"ForeverMans story requires no nukes at all!"

... makes more sense in light of the Vela satellite data, which shows no traces of the breakaway civilizations 3-man Orion Sprint spaceships nuclear exhaust breaking during 34 trips around and out of the solar system!

edit on Wed Nov 5 2014 by DontTreadOnMe because: (no reason given)

posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 08:26 AM
a reply to: Jukiodone

thanks for the aviation links - interesting if it's true that they're going to the expense of flying b-2s around just to 'muddy the waters'

posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 10:19 AM
a reply to: aynock

Estimated cost of 4 million dollars for that little outing if I remember.

a reply to: ForeverMan

Dont give up Man but "I'm less crazy than the other guy" is not a good pitch.

posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 12:49 PM
a reply to: ForeverMan

Keep going maybe you can change my mind about who you are, but it might be a tough kind of stubborn sometimes.


posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 02:01 PM
a reply to: aynock

Yes. Lazar was a patsy led to unveil area 51 and the alien tales. Around the same time the f-117 and b-2 would start to come into the picture. Somewhere during this time the little and big triangle came about. A perfect deception.

posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 02:25 PM

originally posted by: Arpad
a reply to: Lichter daraus

I just wish I can know... why over busy cities.

You know, in one obscure post, before everything went down, you know who does actually mention specifically what they are doing over cities in a one off throw away line that never gets addressed.

He said they were microwave energy vampires.

posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 06:43 PM
a reply to: Lichter daraus


a reply to: Jukiodone


I don't think *** was crazy, but as I have highlighted previously in this thread ...

1]***'s story requires Project Orion and the Vela Satellite MASINT data, saying no nukes were detonated in space, brings that into serious question!

Was the Vela satellites MASINT data accurate

If yes, then that is implying there was not 34+ Orion-Sprint exploratory missions throughout the solar system and beyond!


If no, then the Vela satellites MASINT data was edited by TPTB to remove any such traces of strings of atomic explosions happening within our solar system!

2]My story doesn't require the use of Project Orion at all.

And thus avoids the whole issue of the Vela satellite MASINT data question, as it doesn't bring it into doubt at all.

3]***'s story requires that we got help from an ancient earthling race's A.I. aka Aliice.

Implying that we couldn't of done it on our own.

4]My story only requires 1960's commercially available equipment and 1920-1950's science by well known scientist's.

Implying that we could of done on our own.

5]***'s story doesn't detail any technical details to do with the FTL drive or the Dream controlling methods and devices.

6]My story details the technical details of the EM Drive, Microwaves and Superconductivity and shows a possible model for how mind/dream control may be scientifically tied into that, via microtubules, to try to explain the Black Triangles mind bending phenomena.

7]***'s story leaves us at both the mercy of the breakaway civilization under Aliice, who controls our dreams, and at the mercy of TPTB of the world, who control our earthly lives more directly, with a chance of 'disclosure' every 10yrs and only 3 more chances on the clock before we are abandoned by the breakaway civilization of Olympus! Plus the 1/4million yr long quarantine that was in place has now been revoked and we are now also at the mercy of alien races from throughout the galaxy.

Which paints a very bleak picture with little or no hope for either the forevermen or the rest of humanity on the planet!

8] My story details how we could either destroy and or save ourselves with the Em Drive technology IF Shawyer's and the Chinese Universities claim of maximum possible efficiency, i.e. 3tons of lift per kilowatt of input power, can be matched in reality using superconducting materials and fluids etc.

That paints a bleak picture, but with some level of realistic hope for everyone in being able to get cheaply and safely off the planet and survive in space!

9]***'s story never mentions God or sentient plasma beings nor how they could possibly exist.

10)My story details both God and sentient plasma beings and suggest how they could indeed exist in reality.

11]***'s story never warns us about protecting ourselves from aliens or our supposed 4 other earthling races.

12]My story explicitly warns about having any dealings with any of them.

13]A__0's story suggest RK'ers aka Romeo Kilo = "Re-learned Knowledge" technicians job description.

14]My story now suggests that Romeo Kilo = "Con-men in the 1000's"

Because ...

Romeo; noun:

an attractive, passionate male seducer or lover.


1. a Greek combining form meaning “thousand,” introduced from French in the nomenclature of the metric system ( kiloliter); on this model, used in the formation of compound words in other scientific measurements ( kilowatt).
< French, representing Greek chī́lioi a thousand.

I think I have shown enough contrasting points between ***'s story and my story to highlight the large variation between the two to such a degree, in both quality of content and posting methods, that it shows that I am clearly not *** or crazy and nor do I support their version of events.

My fellow members should make an alert on my posts or on my introduction thread if they continue to feel that I am *** and we'll let the mods sort it out.

edit on Wed Nov 5 2014 by DontTreadOnMe because: (no reason given)

posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 06:57 PM
a reply to: framedragged


I have tracked down that post from this thread: 2008 - German invents radar camouflaging paint. ...

originally posted by: Astr0

All over the internet, time and time again, little snippets fall like rain drops into the public pond. If you look carefully you can see that a (almost perfectly) sight avoiding VVVLO microwave energy vampire is maybe already in the skies above us - like some terrible nightmarish cuttlefish with all seeing eyes and terrible claws.

Thank you for bringing that to my attention!

posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 07:34 PM

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Lichter daraus

The aircraft in question that I related wouldn't have mattered if they got pictures of it, because it wouldn't have been anything but a light in the sky. It flies too high to get pictures of it, unless you catch it at take off or landing.

So then why are they saying it's these crafts? They could be ANYTHING. I see lights in the sky every night while star gazing. And planes are pretty regular.

Sounds like photos aren't being snapped because there isn't anything discernable to shoot.
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posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 07:43 PM
a reply to: Jenisiz

I said it WASN'T one of the triangle craft, it was a conventional craft, with a unique signature that can be identified on the ground, despite the altitude.

posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 08:09 PM

While he was sowing seeds of faster then light space travel, he was also babbling on about RQ's. A bit odd that mr. spaceman would be so taken with an otherwise conventional craft.

And looking out at the suddenly now dead airspace where I saw them, it dawned on me how unusually convenient my sightings were. I feel something isn't adding up right.

posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 09:20 PM

off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 10:00 PM
a reply to: ForeverMan

I think I have shown enough contrasting points
What I have seen from your posts the only thing you have shown is nothing that anyone couldn't google.

posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 10:06 PM


The subtle...and not-so-subtle references to certain ATS member[s] will cease.
No exceptions.

posted on Nov, 5 2014 @ 10:26 PM

originally posted by: framedragged

originally posted by: Arpad
a reply to: Lichter daraus

I just wish I can know... why over busy cities.

You know, in one obscure post, before everything went down, you know who does actually mention specifically what they are doing over cities in a one off throw away line that never gets addressed.

He said they were microwave energy vampires.

I missed that line. How peculiar.
I had an entire post about the possibility of plasma creatures being
'microwave energy vampires' so to speak, here:
The Jinn and Electromagnetic Pollution.

This leads me to point out, that many people's 'original research' is just
a mashup of things they get from others/pickup unconsciously sponge
up from the internet, process in some feeble manner, then regurgitate
as 'a vision' to BS others with. Of course humans are all imitators..
it's how we function, so we all do it to some degree.


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