a reply to: Baddogma
Hello! I don't actually want to comment about the thread all that directly, but I would like
to bring up what we might call the "Hidden Hand Effect". Namely, that a person shows up
and starts posting interesting things, and before long they have defined the universe and
given three examples of everything.
We've seen this various times on ATS. I'm a relatively new member, so I don't have the entire
chronology of this effect in memory at present, but I mentioned "Hidden Hand" as that thread
was what originally brought me to this forum.
I myself am a "look at the little red wagon, and ignore the BS supposedly in it" type of person.
So I see this recurring theme, and it's quite obvious to me at least.
Back some 15 years ago, I was a member of a secretive group which disseminated information
about how to tap one's brain, nervous system, and presumably more 'subtle things' in order to
boost intelligence, creativity and what not. In that group, there wasn't much BS allowed.. if
a person claimed to have mastered the process, then they better have like a 180 IQ and to
be able to write technical manuals on various subject in perfect poetry, overnight.. as one
example.. it was like the old thing about prophets -- 100% accuracy was expected, or the
'prophet' would be killed.
Well I'm not interested in talking about that group, as it was 50% BS itself, but one of my
roles at that time, was to assist people who the process had gone wrong in, and to attempt
to talk them back to sanity, and away from death. It rarely worked of course.. once even
a trickle of that sort of thing grips a person, they are pretty much trashed from then
onward. I should know. I was trashed for a long time.
The reason I bring that up, is that I can see at least, and I think that various of my forum-mates
also see, that all these "most exciting 'supernatural' / 'high strangeness' / 'high science' type of
threads evidence the same characteristics.
One of the main characteristics, is that common societal memes work their way into the narrative,
until inevitably you get things like teleportation, time travel, Roswell references, the theory of
reincarnation .. what not.. like in that famous line in the movie "Ghost Busters".
Another characteristic is the infamous PM member references gimmick, whereby it's either on-purpose
or it's accidental.. but every time there are a few rabid 'true believers' who say "oh -- I've been
contacted and can verify". Just get a few semi-credible or credible to get swept up in this,
and the whole 'thing' comes alive. You can see the same phenomenon all throughout the UFO
field in society. It's a cascade effect.
The person who starts such a thread, if they are honest, will undergo a characteristic transformation
where their ego and personality structure gets quite distorted (they drink their own snake oil), and
as a final phase they start to come to grips with it, and then post that they are X% full of it really.
Generally they would soon self-destruct under the weight of their own misery and stop posting,
probably with a mysterious exit, to promote the self-generated mythology.
In my life prior to ATS, Iv'e seen this cycle play out dozens of times, with groups of 'seekers'
of one sort or another. Keel and Vallee talk about this phenomenon as well -- it's really
Now there are other threads out there, posted by master deceivers/disinfo agents and people
trying to start political parties and movements (one good reference is the armageddon UK
conspiracy folks) where this characteristic self-destruction does not happen.. as the person
doesn't actually believe any of it, does not drink their own snake oil, and thus does not
evidence the characteristic breakdown. By the by, as I indicated in another thread, I did
track those just mentioned folks down to a specific group of named people due to their
carelessness on posting links on the Internet; so that's why I can use them as a good example
of this second type.
So I'd like to advise anyone who wishes to cause an excited uproar in the future; if you want
to be highly credible and escape the burnout-effect, don't 'eat the energy' as we used to say..
keep it 'out of your ego'. So don't get 'high' on your own BS. More specifically, pick one narrow
field of intense interest --- say the great pyramid or something like that, and read everything
ever written about it.. THEN do your research to add in the mystery and the BS.. and most
importantly.. keep on a narrow topic.. because once you 'eat the energy' and 'get drunk',
you'll be orating about life the universe and everything and your meltdown will be near.
Now as it so happens, I have plenty to say about black triangles and various related topics,
but, but I'm currently on a hiatus.. I'm studying the psychological transformation that occurred
around 6000-12000 years ago as the neolithic ended, and humans became truly disturbed and
psychotic (out of sync with reality and nature). You see, I'm attempting to debunk some of
my own misinformation --- I'm well aware personally of what I speak.. only fortunately
for me, in my view at least, my own snake-oil percentage is fairly modest, so I won't be
melting down.. in fact I feel quite wonderful, and and am living a normal little life,
for the most part.
Well --- that's all for now. Thanks for the mildly interesting post.