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Black Triangle UFOs and an Alleged Breakaway Civilization- Discuss

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posted on Oct, 7 2014 @ 06:15 PM
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a reply to: usafage

Yes the triangles is my main interest as well. Maybe I am just a hardware guy at heart


I'm more of a software guy in that I generally think most sightings are misidentifications of sorts. I never really gave the black triangles much thought but after looking over some threads, I think there is something to it. I also think psyops is a large component of the story and the tweaking of "software" has become an art form. Seems like there are a number of ways exploit our common misunderstandings of brain function.


www.abovetopsecret.com...




posted on Oct, 7 2014 @ 06:17 PM
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a reply to: ZetaRediculian

Interesting, they all seem to be over large population centers, and mainly in countries associated with "Five Eyes".



posted on Oct, 7 2014 @ 06:46 PM
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a reply to: Baddogma




It is in one of #Snippy's# posts... one of several hundred? And going through them will take more time than I have in the next few days.

In the post in question, he laid down a back story to Grey Aliens as I relayed, and also suggested those hi-tech human ancestors came to Earth (er, Terra) on the moon...


Here we go...



"[Start] Race (A) makes the grey specie (B) for long life / low cost / high fuel efficiency by splicing plant and insect DNA. They shoot these creatures across vast areas of space looking for habitable planets and resources.

Specie (A) come to earth in a ship. This ship is the moon and its arrival is in pre-history. "

www.abovetopsecret.com...






posted on Oct, 7 2014 @ 07:50 PM
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a reply to: ZetaRediculian

Awesome compilation! Always nice to get a visual feel for data too.

Is there any reason you put the graph with a descending date though? At a cursory glance it makes it look like the sightings drop off over time.

Great job either way!



posted on Oct, 7 2014 @ 07:58 PM
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a reply to: framedragged

Thanks but I didn't do that. I found it on the link I provided.



posted on Oct, 7 2014 @ 08:13 PM
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a reply to: ZetaRediculian

/whistles innocently

too much going on here and in school, overload lol



posted on Oct, 7 2014 @ 08:58 PM
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"[Start] Race (A) makes the grey specie (B) for long life / low cost / high fuel efficiency by splicing plant and insect DNA. They shoot these creatures across vast areas of space looking for habitable planets and resources.

Specie (A) come to earth in a ship. This ship is the moon and its arrival is in pre-history. "

www.abovetopsecret.com...



The moon was part of earth unless we're tossing science out of the "window". Was there any link to the claims it's a giant spaceship comprised of the same soil as terra?

1 of thousands of links moon came from Earth

I fail to understand how claims are made when proof is solid...now say it was sandy hook or roswell, all together different story. But to ignore factual data in pursuit of affirming ones own theory is a flawed approach to understand anything. This is how religion became so popular and science suffered. Same spin different subject. Judging solely based off proof, or even a sliver of evidence I can't stomach it.
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posted on Oct, 7 2014 @ 09:22 PM
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a reply to: ZetaRediculian

Interesting I think I have seen this before. Looks like in 92 things start get busy. I wonder too if some of the triangle sightings are more triangle type shape say like folks back in the 80's seeing the f 117. Some of those early ones I would tend to want to throw out since I am looking for large, low and slow. Who know though maybe some of them were that very thing even the 70's.

NATO looks to be a popular choice, populated areas but of course you have to have people in order to have a sighting.



posted on Oct, 7 2014 @ 10:03 PM
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a reply to: usafage

Unfortunately I don't think the data is that granular. The shape trend is definitely there. I think we can say that there was really no significant triangle sightings prior to the 70s. Kind of rules out misidentifications of natural phenomenon. I don't think you want to throw out any data. I think the biggest mistake Ufology has made is the tossing out of data. I know that's not what you meant though.

Also it would be nice to see how triangles compare with other shapes. This could just represent the number of reports collected overall. So if we look at ALL reports, there might be the same trend up.



posted on Oct, 7 2014 @ 11:00 PM
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a reply to: Baddogma

I agree with your comment about the racism involved.

The genetic portions of this tale sound more like the Nazi Vril Society,
Thule Society, and the very obnoxious early Theosophy material
which expounded "master races" and "root races". (it was all about
racism).

In my opinion, you can almost trace which of the obnoxious trickster
'currents' are behind any particular modern mythology such as this
one.

Humans tend to be lost, confused, and want to be rescued, as their
culture and world are in the early stages of absolute failure.

The fact that 'advanced humans' are supposedly going to rescue
'primitive humans' makes for a very alluring story.

Now, there are a few elements at work in the world today,
that can be warped to fit the narrative.. but those elements
could actually be uncovered for positive purposes... but it
would take a lot of self-discipline and multi-disciplinary
effort to do so.

IMHO

Kev



posted on Oct, 7 2014 @ 11:23 PM
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a reply to: ZetaRediculian

Your data certainly seems to indicate that the USA
and her 'allies' seem up to their neck in this.

Of course the easy assumption of USA military black
projects is the magician's wand here..

Kev



posted on Oct, 8 2014 @ 12:45 AM
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For those who want to look into the psy-ops and/or social engineering theory regarding the space opera of our breakaway pals the RK'ers (why am I reminded of L. Ron Hubbard with this tale!) there's a great thread by mirageman where Bybyots has made an interesting link from Rick Doty's tales to snippy's:

Majestic 12: A UFO Disinformation Scandal

There's an impressive percentage of brainpower and sharp researchers having some penetrating conversation in that thread. It'll be interesting to see some of it discussed here.



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posted on Oct, 8 2014 @ 04:55 AM
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a reply to: ZetaRediculian

that is an awful lot of dots in my country, funny, I have lived here close to 20 years and never saw anything remotely close nor have I ever heard anyone say they saw something like that.

"surprisingly" enough as I have said here a few times the US has the highest amount of these "sightings" so much for using all the worlds ''dream power'' when it mostly only goes over 2 countries, I know this isn't a totally accurate map with every sighting but still.

black project with some new breakthrough tech? quite possibly, but a magnetic wave warp drive spaceship piloted by super humans that has traversed our solar system and picked up ancient artifacts with the power of the worlds dreams...? I mean come on.

only thing I believe for sure that was said about this object is that when it leaves the hanger for the first time ATS will blow up from madness about it.



posted on Oct, 8 2014 @ 06:20 AM
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originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: ZetaRediculian

Your data certainly seems to indicate that the USA
and her 'allies' seem up to their neck in this.



Its not my data. Credit goes to Sammamishman and the data was from www.nuforc.org...
This link:
Black Triangles, RKs and the secret space program was pointing to the wrong thread in the OP.


Of course the easy assumption of USA military black
projects is the magician's wand here..

Kev


Yes, the graph is somewhat misleading. It only shows one thing. Its like looking at rainy days and ONLY rainy days then concluding that it rains a lot.

I mean I can do my own charts and stuff.



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edit on 8-10-2014 by ZetaRediculian because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 8 2014 @ 07:00 AM
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a reply to: The GUT


why am I reminded of L. Ron Hubbard with this tale!

Probably because it borrowed some elements from Scientology.

a reply to: Vamana

black project with some new breakthrough tech? quite possibly,

yes, possibly.


but a magnetic wave warp drive spaceship piloted by super humans that has traversed our solar system and picked up ancient artifacts with the power of the worlds dreams...? I mean come on.

The way I see it is:
1. Its total Bull S###
2. Its total Bull S###
Either way its total Bull S###.

Its like we have this giant pile of Bull S### that someone took their time to pile up. Like they went through every cow pasture in the area one and looked for the finest Bull S### they could find and calmly and meticulously piled it up into a very neat pile on your doorstep. When you open up your door for the first time the next day you see this pile and think: "well, that is some mighty fine Bull S### right there"

Now why would someone do that?



posted on Oct, 8 2014 @ 07:24 AM
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a reply to: ZetaRediculian

What's up with that cluster in Himalayas?



posted on Oct, 8 2014 @ 07:45 AM
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a reply to: phantomflier

Tibetan monks are good dreamers?



posted on Oct, 8 2014 @ 08:07 AM
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a reply to: ZetaRediculian

"Now why would someone do that"

I love questions like that. i won't speculate about the original poster and
there is no need to.. it's all the same old pattern.

SURE. We COULD drink our own ATS-style snake oil and say the very common
thing like "oh --- that courageous leaker of truth must have gotten too close!
so to preserve their life they covered the truth with BS!". Or something
similar. All I can say is "Wow!". We've been trained to psyop/disinfo
campaign ourselves automatically!

Humans are all story tellers. And liars. We love telling stories and lying..
both.. I'ts really easy to take say 5% truth and blow it up into a huge
narrative tale, which (generally) puffs up the posters ego as they drink
their own self-generated psyop. I referenced this in an earlier post.
You can ALWAYS tell when a simple fact or theory gets all bloated up,
until the poster is orating like Moses about God and the lost city of
Atlantis.

I really think it's nothing more complex than that here.

Now I could drink some of my own snake oil (experience actually,
but all this advanced stuff is a bit fuzzy and needs more research)
and go on about plasma entities and their relationship between
peizo-electric minerals in fault lines.. how humans have evolved
to naturally and unconsciously communicate a bit with each other
through these entities and about the formation of trickster
entities that have emerged a a result, and who are really
Teraforming the Earth to have a lot of particulate pollution
and free electrons.. to make the cattle herd (us) reproduce
madly (like we have)... how the military ties into all this... yada
yada.

I could do that (more of that). But then what would I be doing?
I'd be doing what the original poster did. Probably far more
truth in it.. but say I hit 20% truth.. (as there is a lot more
research to be done).. why that's 80% disinfo.

I don't want to disinfo anyone.

But if one is HONEST and say's here is my theory.. here is
my data.. this is my hypothesis and why... that's way
cool.. at least there is something to talk about... and
maybe people who REALLY know science might read
a thread and be inspired.

But these customized snake-oil packages generated
under the pressure of a distorted personality in
conjunction with the 'racial unconscious' (Internet
memes if nothing else) will always cough up a tale
like this from time to time.. like a cat's hairball.

Seeing how easily people are misled, I personally
for example, could have done a 'hidden hand'
of a sort and made it very convincing.. but I'd
have had to drink some high percent of my own
unproven theories.. and I won't do that.. at least
I won't any more... I value honesty more than
anything... Now do I stand by a lot of what
I've said on the forum to this day? Yes, of course.
But I can also see that some of the material was
too speculative and was starting to form an
"ATS Hair Ball". So I'm taking a step back and
re-investigating all my own material. I don't
want to deceive anybody. But the tendency
to do just that is nearly automatic, when
some meme-plex takes over your mind..
some really fancy narrative that has erupted
from the unconscious mind due to years of
research and wishful thinking.. and the desire
to have a high 'status' when your life has
nothing much going for it.

But at least for me, I've finally matured
a fair bit (at 53). I've had a fabulous career.
Seen the world. Done everything. I have
an awesome beautiful sexy fiance who is
my dream girl. I'm actually pretty well
adjusted these days! Happy. I'm not a
20-something living in my parents
basement trying desperately to manufacture
some attention on ATS because I have
nothing.. far far far from it.

Well that's all.. I hope that post had some
value.

Kev



posted on Oct, 8 2014 @ 08:15 AM
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originally posted by: phantomflier
a reply to: ZetaRediculian

What's up with that cluster in Himalayas?


The western world is full of UFO movies and other crap to enflame
their imaginations.. with nearly ZERO positive culture to reign in
such easy manipulation. So the USA/UK/Australia... very easy to
understand.

But why the himilayas. That is a good question! Makes one wonder
if spots like that are due to shamans (Tibetian Tantric Buddhism
has strong ties to Shamanism too).

In my opinion anyway.. this WHOLE thing.. and much of ATS is
a result of this vast manipulation occurring due to humans interacting
with this partially sentient "EM field"..

And who is better at this than anyone? Not occultists or mad scientists
really.. it would be Shaman IMHO. We all know, that some pretty high
up folks are infatuated with Shamanism.

Maybe this really IS all some 'psychic war' with some psychotronic
equipment on-board some experimental craft/satellites as a piece of it..
that's my take anyway..

Kev



posted on Oct, 8 2014 @ 08:19 AM
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originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
a reply to: usafage

Unfortunately I don't think the data is that granular. The shape trend is definitely there. I think we can say that there was really no significant triangle sightings prior to the 70s. Kind of rules out misidentifications of natural phenomenon. I don't think you want to throw out any data. I think the biggest mistake Ufology has made is the tossing out of data. I know that's not what you meant though.

Also it would be nice to see how triangles compare with other shapes. This could just represent the number of reports collected overall. So if we look at ALL reports, there might be the same trend up.




Actually "Ezekiel" saw a triangle according to some accounts. People have been seeing
triangles in the skies before western civilization even began.

Ask Vallee.. I did.. and he's compiling the data to prove it.

Kev




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