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Black Triangle UFOs and an Alleged Breakaway Civilization- Discuss

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posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 08:40 AM

originally posted by: tacka
These are the photos 'A' posted which are intriguing


a repost from myself but has anyone analysed the photos mr no name posted?

posted on Jan, 16 2016 @ 12:57 PM
a reply to: tetra50

Not at all my friend. That's not my understanding at least.

The purpose of our personality is to keep us deluded, to keep us
plugged into the social network of delusion which is human

For most people, 95% or more of 'their personality' is an artifact
syncretically imposed from culture, without the person ever
knowing it.

Only an autistic or a 'supreme mystic' let's call them, might possibly
gain some bit of 'freedom', even though that is a 'false freedom'
too -- but of a different, more interesting kind.

Have you never read stories of the highest level mystics? That,
'in the end' there is nothing to do, nothing to be? Then there
is no reason to struggle.

What struggles? Against what?

I'm not being new agey here at all, as the New Age is a mechanism
to control people the same as any other system.

"Humans" are very nearly nothing at all.. no different from any other
animal, except that we have a toxic imagination which destroys

Of course "nothing at all" is more than people realize too..

I'm sure I sound very mysterious, like someone who wishes
to puff themselves up to seem 'wise' and 'mystical'.

That's not my intention.

What nearly everyone wants, is the 'next step' in their 'personal
evolution'. They hungrily watch the world for tidbits they can
grab onto, to promote their 'path'.

I watch it all over ATS, and especially in threads like this one.

This is human nature. But the problem is, that people are not
willing to discard everything and start fresh.. and be studious
and determined.. they just play the hand life has given them..
or some other partial hand.. until the game ends.. then they
start another random game, with a random hand.. and push
through until another failure.

It takes true courage to discard breakaway civilizations, and
hidden hands, and gnostic monsters and "UFOs" after investing
much of a lifetime in them..

Perhaps soon I'll leave you all again with the final words
of the Star Trek Pilot, "The Cage" and the words of the
Talosian masters of illusion.


posted on Jan, 17 2016 @ 01:48 PM
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

First off, there are some earth-shattering truths buried in the last few posts of kpb, lg, Mystik and tet... and even in BASS's tongue through cheek effort... but now to be flip/serious.. .as usual...

Baddogma sits looking forlornly at his monitor... finally realizing "he" and everyone he knows of or will ever meet is an automaton of toxic imagination with no grand place to go or duty to perform... unless being a useful stepladder fills the ego's needs... and all interests or pastimes are illusory pantomimes amounting to the same nothingness no matter how one stalks it... so we do this, and we do that ...

and then happily goes back to sipping coffee and reading about weird stuff 'cause he's already known that semi-uncomfortable fact for decades, but is glad to be reminded by other shadow-puppets on occasion.

But hey, it's a nice illusion, sometimes... right? And giving other shadows a little love is something .. .right? *starts losing cohesiveness and fading into the grand dream* -faintly- "r r i i i gh t ?

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posted on Jan, 17 2016 @ 02:02 PM
a reply to: SeaWorthy

Welcome and thank you... I missed that tid-bit.

If this story is true, one wonders about how this fits into the whole mozaic... a shadow op or actually attempting to catch up with the new 'breakaways' or a concurrent effort oblivious to the 'real' space program going on?

Interesting either way, and thanks.

posted on Jan, 17 2016 @ 03:57 PM
a reply to: Baddogma

from The Magus by John Fowles

Once upon a time there was a young prince, who believed in all things but three. He did not believe in princesses, he did not believe in islands, he did not believe in God. His father, the king, told him that such things did not exist. As there were no princesses or islands in his father's domaines, and no sign of God, the young prince believed his father.

But then, one day, the prince ran away from his palace. He came to the next land. There, to his astonishment, from every coast he saw islands, and on these islands, strange and troubling creatures whom he dared not name. As he was searching for a boat, a man in full evening dress approached him along the shore.

"Are those real islands?" asked the young prince.

"Of course they are real islands," said the man in evening dress.

"And those strange and troubling creatures?"

"They are all genuine and authentic princesses."

"Then God also must exist!" cried the prince.

"I am God," replied the man in full evening dress, with a bow.

The young prince returned home as quickly as he could.

"So you are back," said his father, the king.

"I have seen islands, I have seen princesses, I have seen God," said the prince reproachfully.

The king was unmoved. "Neither real islands, nor real princesses, nor a real God, exist."

"I saw them!"

"Tell me how God was dressed."

"God was in full evening dress."

"Were the sleeves of his coat rolled back?"

The prince remembered that they had been. The king smiled. "That is the uniform of a magician. You have been deceived."

At this, the prince returned to the next land, and went to the same shore, where once again he came upon the man in full evening dress. "My father the king has told me who you are," said the young prince indignantly. "You deceived me last time, but not again. Now I know that those are not real islands and real princesses, because you are a magician."

The man on the shore smiled. "It is you who are deceived, my boy. In your father's kingdom there are many islands and many princesses. But you are under your father’s spell, so you cannot see them."

The prince returned pensively home. When he saw his father, he looked him in the eyes. "Father, is it true that you are not a real king, but only a magician?"

The king smiled, and rolled back his sleeves. "Yes, my son, I am only a magician."

"Then the man on the shore was God."

"The man on the shore was another magician."

"I must know the real truth, the truth beyond magic."

"There is no truth beyond magic," said the king.

The prince was full of sadness. He said, "I will kill myself."

The king by magic caused death to appear. Death stood in the door and beckoned to the prince. The prince shuddered. He remembered the beautiful but unreal islands and the unreal but beautiful princesses "Very well," he said. "I can bear it."

"You see, my son," said the king, "you too now begin to be a magician."

posted on Jan, 17 2016 @ 04:20 PM
a reply to: Baddogma

If it's any comfort to you, I understand your perspective 100%, as one
magician to another.

Frankly, most people who hit the bottom of the bunny hole consider
suicide at the point of 99% realization.

It used to be, you had to do what I did, and to take "Kundalini Yoga"
all the way to get that depressed.. as "Kundalini Yoga" is the art of
purposely feeding "illusion", until nothing else exists.. the goal
being to see what remains besides "illusion".

I see you know the answer to that.

But now days, if one wants to quickly get this depressed, one can
simply buy the 3 or 4 book series by "jed mckenna". (just google

Now one thing that many people don't know.. the ones who crash
and burn at 99% or commit suicide at 99% is that one tiny tidbit
of realization remains.. the small voice named "Hope" which
comes out of Pandora's Box..

You come to realize that you never existed as a non-illusionary
being to begin with.. from birth.. and that you were just FINE
before all the heavy duty realizations.

Then you get a small smile on your face, and go back to enjoying
"being alive". (as you intimated).

Then after all that, if you are really a glutton for punishment you
can find other realizations that are even more comforting..

that in fact even "god" is a magician.. and all the other high
and mighty beings and civilizations too.. all of the turtles
that go all the way up and all the way down forever..

So you are then in good company.

Now.. it's not that nothing is real... or that everything is real..
both are simplistic observations that aren't true.

It's just that there is layer upon layer upon layer of complexity..
draw a circle around some of it and you have 'matter'. draw
a slightly larger circle and you might have a "Baddogma'.
Draw a slighty larger circle around it and you might have
"dark plasma entities birthing lifeforms with Baddogma".
Draw a slightly larger circle and even the "DPE" are being

It winds up that "dark magicianns" use other "dark magicians"
as material (it's all that exists) and are also used. Ad

So there is nothing to be sad about..

You can even look at this whole magician's gala as the
'true soul of reality' and thus you discover that you
are immortal and will always rise and fall and rise

Just try to have fun, and not think about the sucky
parts like everyone else.


posted on Jan, 17 2016 @ 05:52 PM
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear


Why would the Prince believe the king is being truthful in saying that "There is no truth beyond magic."? He's already proven himself to be full of deceit - perhaps he is lying in order to maintain dominance over his son?

Maybe the 'magician' king and all the other magicians lie about there being no God so that they will have power over the 'commoners'? Or maybe they simply don't wish to reveal their ignorance in not even knowing whether God exists?

I wonder what 'Death' would have answered if the Prince had asked him for the "truth beyond magic"?

Perhaps something like:

"The "truth" is not to be had for the mere asking, but must be sought for...ardently...
...and even then, it is revealed only to those who seek passionately - with true hearts, with minds willing to look beyond all they have been told of reality, and with spirits bold enough to face and question even Death, that they might learn to discern between the lies of magicians and the 'truth beyond magic' for themselves."

I just don't find it logical that it would 'all' come down to just magicians and illusions - anymore than that it should be "turtles all the way down"...

posted on Jan, 17 2016 @ 07:02 PM
a reply to: lostgirl

If you'd prefer to put it in terms of lesser and greater amounts
of information and get into quantum mechanics we could
do that too, or any of a thousand other ways to put it..
maybe even in terms of breakaway civilizations.

It's never the form which matters, but the relationships.

It's also the analogy of the onion.

You think you understand on the surface, but then you
peel away at it, and discover there is another layer..
and another. and another.. and another.. there's
no end to layers (information).

One more or less single bit of information can (and does)
change everything.

No single metaphor is correct.

No 'fact' can stand alone and be 'true' in a vacuum.

Human brains crave facts.. as they are organic
electro-chemical analog computers (at the
lowest level of metaphor).

People don't like being confronted with the slippery
nature of reality, and nearly everyone will fasten
upon some one thing.... god.. or science.. or
aliens or whatever.. and not dig further...

they are then "enspelled" by a simple metaphor,
to escape from the slippery nature of truth.

Only a few people jump down the rabbit hole all
the way.. and just like in the "Matrix", who is to
say that one pill is better than the other one?

In truth, even that analogy that there are two
options is an illusion.

Even a rabid religious person say, who damns
everyone to hell who disagrees with him/her
has a knot eating away in the corner of their
mind/being - everyone knows that they are
all deceiving themselves, whether they
admit it or not.. as everyone knows that
they do not possess all information to
accurately and honestly make such an

And this one way of life --- of confronting
the ugly (and terrifyingly beautiful nature
of reality) with a flexible and fully honest
mind is not for everyone, that is certain.

It feels like drowning at first.. like death..
humans are not accustomed to it. We'd all
rather be magicians.. whether we use
that term or not -- that's the truth of it..

we take .00000000000000000000000001%
of the facts, and dress them up to be
way more solid than they really are.

That is the art of the magician.


posted on Jan, 17 2016 @ 07:04 PM
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Why aren't there any 'light' "magicians" in your cosmogony?

It's all 'dark' this...'dark' that...deceiving deceivers...parasitic plasmas...

...illusory illusions by deluded dark magicians..etc., etc.,

The thing is - there 'is' some 'good' in this universe (in this world even - though it grows ever more rare)...

...There's beauty, and love, and pure-hearted little children who truly embody 'goodness' -

- I've seen paintings that made me feel a kind of joy I could never have imagined feeling -

- I've read books which contained ideas that made me weep for the beauty of them -

- I've heard music that made my heart dance and my spirit soar -

- I've fallen in love with people I've never even met because of the way they use words to express themselves -

- I've seen random acts of kindness and love that set tears rolling down my cheeks...

What I'm saying here is, no matter how horrible humans get, or how doomed the world is - it doesn't negate any of the 'wonderfulness' that has 'come out of' humanity in the last few thousand years...

....and when I think of the kinds of 'wonderful' that some humans can have inside them, it seems logical to me that it has to 'come from somewhere'..

...and when I think of all the examples of the kinds of things I've written above - it convinces me that we are not like
'ants' in comparison to the size of the universe, and we are not 'just another primate' among a planet full of animals...humans are not 'nothing' and our imaginations are not 'toxic' least, not intrinsically so -

- you only have to watch small children at play to see that 'intrinsically' human imagination is wonderful, magical (in a 'good' way)..

I grant you that humankind has become a terrible, destructive force, and unless something miraculous were to happen, it's only going to get worse - but that is not 'who we truly are'...

...and I don't think we did this to ourselves - the human race is being systematically driven insane, and you can see that it's happening faster and faster -
- which leads to the question: Why and By whom?

Sorry Baddogma - didn't mean to go off the deep end there, it just sort of spilled out...

posted on Jan, 17 2016 @ 08:01 PM

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: MystikMushroom

The rituals are used to turn off the
Sense of self.

Its the same with religion, spirituality
And even UFO cults and even some
Threads on ATS *cough*.

And actually 'what happens' is never
Caused by the human involved...
The human is at most merely
'part of the circuit'.

The personality is like a resistor
In an electrical circuit.

This is part of the ABC's of all this stuff.


I love the analogy but I'd have to simply argue that some personalities are a resistor whereas others function as a conductor and/or insulator.

Some personalities restrict the current way more than others.

nice to see you on the boards.

Also makes me think how nice it would be to apply Ohms law to determine the resistance of any one personality.
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posted on Jan, 17 2016 @ 11:14 PM
a reply to: lostgirl

It takes a lot of skill to be a light

Humans haven't evolved that far

My personal life is full of much
Beauty. It always has been.

But I can't wave a magic wand
And force it on anyone.

People want their misery...they
Fight desperately to keep it.

I know you think it's not fair
That some sky daddy isn't
Going to swoop in and save

Neither is some sky daddy
Going to rescue all the
Animals we slaughter...
The children sold into
Slavery...nor keep ocean
Acidification from suffocating
Us all in a few hundred years.

The reason?

It's the human consensus that
Things unfold this way...all the
Little actions of each of us adds
Up to create our world.

Nobody and nothing will interfere
With that....

And as I've told you before in
Private...there is Beauty "out there"..
Beyond all human comprehension...

But it won't come here and rape and
Destroy us with its presence. Most
Humans are 90% formed from the
Pain and struggle of life --- "divinely"
Heal that and we'd be erased.

If you don't like 'reality', then you
May delude yourself just like
Everyone else does....

Remember: "life is what happens
When all of our plans fail."

You know that my heart feels deeply
For your pain, right?

But I don't feel like lying to you


posted on Jan, 17 2016 @ 11:21 PM
a reply to: Rosinitiate

A metaphor my good man...feel free to improve upon my words as you see fit.

As for being on the soon as my
Stalker returns again I'll to back to just
Reading again...I was just in a bit of a mood
To flap my gums..

Always nice to see you too!

posted on Jan, 18 2016 @ 01:30 PM
I know we once again got smacked off the particular subject matter and into the "meta," but it may be viewed as a break away/divergent portion of the group-think... or a micro model of the subject matter...heh.

Anyway, the "it's all meaningless illusion" is (might be) only partially correct... it's not as "real" and "important" as some think, but it's exactly as "real" and "important" as the "magician/dreamer" makes it... and that's not so bad, as mentioned.

But again, Kev's correct, as I see it, in that this ufo interest, or any interest/subject that subdivides zero, still equals zero... but it's another story we who are still partially engaged in consensus reality enjoy ruminating about... as I see it, human life is just a huge "book club" whose members are the authors being discussed.

But it's likely more mentally healthy to realize we humans aren't so autonomous or sentient as we like to think, as odd as that might seem to some at first glance... but that's okay as that concept is a great equalizer and fear snuffer, and who knows, someday the permutations might actually create something sorta "real."

posted on Jan, 18 2016 @ 02:03 PM
a reply to: Baddogma

Nice post.

Actually everything is equally real and
Unreal in a manner of speaking.

Look at it this way...

A 'peasant' who lives in a tar paper shack
Is human and lives on Earth...just like
A billionaire who may be taking anti
Aging drugs and getting cloned body
Part replacement and who flies to
China for lunch on his private plane
To manipulate the global money

Are both people humans living on
Earth? Yes. Do both live in the
Same "world"? No.

That's how it goes with "magicians"
(at least partially sentient beings).

What really annoys some people,
Is that there isn't some
Baby simple 'rescue' from the
Unavoidable pain of being alive;
That everything is unavoidably
And eternally gray.

Well it's that gray which allows for
The fun of breakaway civilization
TALK and all the other games.

Nothing could be more disastrous
Than to meet God or an alien would be the
Intellectual and 'self' death of
All of the book "Childhoods
End" by Arthur C Clark.

Some of us are natural at self death
"The true mystic path"....but most
Of us aren't.....and that's just
Fine....there is no "preferred
State" for "God" or anyone...
Insofar as I know anyway.

The goal is to have fun....and if
You realize that everyone is on
Some level a puppet of someone
Or something but will likely
Never meet "them"....then all
The there is nothing
More fun destroying in all of
Reality than trying to catch
The "man behind the curtain".

You wind up paying with your
Life whether you fail or you

I hope everyone has fun chasing
After magicians's the
Only game in all it's

Maybe I will convert to the A****
Religion for the fun of it....I've
Finished my own game a few
Years ago.

Thanks BD for your gentlemanly

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posted on Jan, 18 2016 @ 02:51 PM
a reply to: Baddogma

"Brain waves may be spread by weak electrical field"

To participate more fully with the spirit of this thread,
I thought that I'd post this interesting 'on-topic' link.


posted on Jan, 18 2016 @ 03:04 PM
I've read some interesting theories that UFOs may be some kind of human archetype that has changed over human evolution, and in today's technological world, takes on the form of "aliens from outer space". When our brains can't grasp at what we're seeing, we frame the situation in ways that our brain can wrap themselves around.

Archetypes are pretty interesting...

posted on Jan, 18 2016 @ 03:23 PM
a reply to: MystikMushroom

They sure are!

These Vallee-like high strangeness
Phenomenon may actually be
"Quantum world echoes" or
Something like that.

It appears that quantum state's
May last up to 24 hours in the brain
( I posted That link a few weeks back)

Maybe archetypes are cross
World...wouldn't that be

In that case we might be alone
In an empty universe and still
Get 'seranaded' by High Strangeness.

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posted on Jan, 18 2016 @ 04:58 PM
Apologies Baddogma, I just 'have' to clarify myself on this "micro model" of the topic...

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

Humans are 90% formed from the
Pain and struggle of life --- "divinely"
Heal that and we'd be erased.

You know, it really bugs me that you think I don't get that!!!
I am fully aware of the 'value' of pain and suffering - to the point that I have very often expressed gratitude for having suffered Depression most of my life!

If you don't like 'reality', then you
May delude yourself just like
Everyone else does....

And I just cannot believe that you could actually read my last post and come away thinking the above!
Considering that it took me a couple hours to get it written (my brain tends to think in entire 'concepts' - distilling them into words can be very difficult), maybe you could do me the courtesy of reading it again...

...At the least, it shows that - unlike someone I could mention - my 'pain' has not caused me to develop an antipathy towards the entire human race.

Honestly, just because my '1 percent of "Hope"' includes the possibility that there just might, maybe, actually be a loving, 'Source of Creation' that cares about humanity the way a parent cares about their child....

(god forbid that I should use the term 'God', because nobody around here seems able to think outside the 'bible' box when it comes to the concept)

....and just because I've had 'experiences' of feeling beloved by 'Someone' and have actually had prayers answered -

- does not mean that I am waiting for 'Jesus' to come down here and save everybody from 'Armageddon'!!!

So, please stop lumping me in with all the other 'believers' out there - because despite the fact that you think you've got 'me' all figured out - you don't know anything like as much as you like to think you know!!!

You know that my heart feels deeply
For your pain, right?

But I don't feel like lying to you

I appreciate that you are a sincerely caring person, and that you care about my pain -
- but you should know me well enough by now to know that I would never want anyone "lying" to me about anything...
...Asking people to entertain the possibility that I might have enough insight to discover a truth or two myself, does not mean I want to be lied to about their truths...
...all I've ever asked is for others to consider that maybe they haven't got a 'lock' on 'reality', and that maybe some of the 'possible truths' that 'I' am willing to stay open to - could have some validity to them.

---Sorry everyone for wasting space here, but frankly, my feelings were hurt - and I 'needed' to explain myself!

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posted on Jan, 18 2016 @ 05:31 PM
a reply to: lostgirl

Actually I care deeply about the human
Race....I always have from my earliest
Age....though I certainly freely admit
That humans are a very young race
And of course that includes me.

Do you know that I spent over a solid
Year wrestling moment by moment
With the "ugly high strangeness" at
The core of the human Race?
I wondered if I was going to die..
All that agony....all the while working
Full time and taking care of a
Family...not to mention working
With local homeless whenever

Truly you know nothing about me...
As I don't parade around this kind
Of stuff in public.....and I don't
Parade around "God" either.

There are people who know and
Who do...while the rest thump
Their holy books and what not.
(not necessarily referring to you)

It was soon after this time that
I realized the nature of the
"Problem with evil" and
Stopped "wrestling until dawn".

I used the tail end of that to bring
A BTUFO around, as I wanted to
Verify what it was and what it
Wasn't....which is why I've been
'invested with this thread' whether
People knew it or not.

As far as you being hurt....I knew
You would be...and I have my
Own reasons for why I do what
I do. But rest assured I'm not
A cruel or unsympathetic person.
I just have different motives
Than many people.

I know that you are working through
Matters of faith....most of us Do

I know that you are pretty good at
Research and I've seen you contribute
Good things a number of times.

I appreciate you in a number of ways..
And many others....we are not islands...
We all touch each other at all times.

All that said....

I want to see that black
Oozy pool of pain.... And it's hard
To convince people to expose
Their greatest pain/weakness.

(we can expose mine sometime
If you like....I'm still pretty fragile
In some ways like anyone)

Best regards....your brother..


posted on Jan, 18 2016 @ 06:40 PM
a reply to: lostgirl

You, of all folks, never have to apologize for anything LG.. .go to town.

And just remember some views of "reality" can be depressing or joyous, depending on the observer.

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