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Black Triangle UFOs and an Alleged Breakaway Civilization- Discuss

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posted on Jan, 11 2016 @ 03:18 PM
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originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Would certain radars be able to detect these plasma's? Maybe a combination of highly sophisticated radars and magnetometers, pioneered by defense contractors?

I know Lockheed, Boeing and Raytheon all have projects in advanced radar and magnetics...


Well, I suspect that the part of the "dark plasmas" which interacts with the 4% of our
Universe which is normal matter/energy are detectable.. and in fact have been
a number of times during some of the UFO incidents of high strangeness. But I'd
say that part of 'them' is just donned for purposes of interacting with us on that
scale.

I'm personally of the opinion that it's home-grown dark plasmas which interact
with humans on the quantum level, in particular the level of neuron gaps,
which is the explanation for all high strangeness (and UFOs) since the beginning
of time on Earth.. but humans are very erratic creatures, and most people don't
live with enough concentration (like a mystical type might), so as to be interesting
enough to interact with on any routine basis. But certain mental illnesses, like
the one Hitler had, or a religious person might have could make one obsessive
enough to attract the attention of such a "dark plasma critter".

Otherwise I'd say they 'flow through us all the time like Neutrinos do' and we have
no clue.

I wouldn't be surprised if someday, humans will get detectors that actually work
for things like neutrinos, gravity waves and 'dark plasma' (plasma form of dark
matter / dark energy). Then perhaps what is crazy metaphysics to us now,
will be just 'regular old technology' and we can communicate with the vast
web of life in the 96% of the unseen universe, rather than postulate all this
craziness about the 4% (apparently) empty Universe we can detect with
science right now.

Kev


Yes...the force flows through us all. it penetrates us it does mhmm.




posted on Jan, 11 2016 @ 03:36 PM
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a reply to: yuppa

I think we found the source of a certain members Hypothesis.

starwars.wikia.com...



posted on Jan, 11 2016 @ 03:47 PM
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originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: yuppa

I think we found the source of a certain members Hypothesis.

starwars.wikia.com...


midiclorian detectors too. Maybe it was george lucas who took th eideas from him instead?



posted on Jan, 11 2016 @ 04:02 PM
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a reply to: yuppa

Yeah except instead of giving you the ability to move objects and control others it just makes you trip out like a recreational drug. "Wait!!! Hey Dark Energy Space Plasma come back! Don't go, I have a party to go to later tonight!"

"Hey man have you tried DESP it's the new thing on the streets!"

OK lets drop it now, before the mods have to smack us since were toeing the line here.

SO back on topic.



posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 01:42 PM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear



I wouldn't be surprised if someday, humans will get detectors that actually work for things like neutrinos, gravity waves and 'dark plasma' (plasma form of dark matter / dark energy). Then perhaps what is crazy metaphysics to us now, will be just 'regular old technology' and we can communicate with the vast web of life in the 96% of the unseen universe, rather than postulate all this craziness about the 4% (apparently) empty Universe we can detect with science right now.


Welcome back... I could feel your cold stare on the nape of my neck as I considered the truth to this story (kidding, with hyperbole).

We agree on this quoted point pretty well... heck, I still have trouble processing that "spirits" exist, and I had far more personal proof of spirits than I personally have for secret spacemen... or clandestine professors... and this thread could be a bunch of formerly stable people in an online community purposefully misleading their fellow members about their confirming experiences re: a-o's narrative or ...what? They're all prey to the plasma critters who conspired to advance this narrative why?

I dunno Kev, gonna have to mull on it.



posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 02:40 PM
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a reply to: Baddogma

I'm not "back" per se, but thanks.

As for "dark plasma" (critters or civilizations)
a simplistic mind model of control or
be controlled doesn't cut it.

As far as this thread goes.. it doesn't matter
what form of the destructor you choose
(ghost busters reference).... hidden hand..
illuminati....archons...or A**** - it's the
identical same mechanism.

It doesn't matter how the susceptible human
is 'activated' - what wild story takes down
the internal barriers enough for high
strangeness to occur.

The high strangeness is the drug high
for humans....used as bait to attract
the use of a human host...for whatever
resource we provide.

Thoughts?



posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 02:44 PM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

But don't most humans run from paranormal experiences. I bolted when I saw that orb. People run when they see ghosts or monsters. And people often don't want to be there when UFO's are close by. Wouldn't that drive them away? Or is there something in our fear that it harvests? Like they are in our heads. They create the hallucination or high strangeness to get that emotional reaction which they feed off of? Like emotional vampires or something?

Why would observing and contemplating the high strangeness be any different to these guys than what goes on in our brains when contemplating say astro physics or high art. Why use some hallucination to open the door for them to infiltrate our brain. And whats so interesting or sheltering of our brains for them to want to reside in them anyways?
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posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 03:04 PM
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a reply to: BASSPLYR

For 90% of the life cycle of the DPE
it's not the brain which is of interest,
but rather the stomach and select
autonomic system nerve and
lymphatic system clusters.

Thus the reason for meditation
such as 'Buddha breathing' and
some specific Kriyas.

Only at the very end, in rare cases,
is the brain utilized.

We are just 'canvas' for the artist...
pass through organisms...
providers of a 'womb' for DPE.

Our minds may seek to make us
run away....but we build roller
coasters and skydive and what
not.

Our bodies love to feel 'alive'
even as some of us run away.

Humans generate so much
melodrama (such as this
thread)...but seldom can
distinguish between
'reality' and where the
magicians wand points.

Kev



posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 03:26 PM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I'm still of the opinion that you may well be correct in your assessments of the plasmatoids, but that these are two co-existing narratives.. .there would be simpler ways for the 'plasmatics' to prey on my own belief energy, like having professors show up and speak to me in my bedroom (rather than sending pennies - as in an incident from last year).

So, dunno... just seems less efficient...they could certainly work my own wishy -washy suspicions over to cement my own beliefs, that are now pretty nebulous and lacking the power of conviction they could have... just sayin.

But perhaps they're working on a far yummier brain reading this thread, than my own... which I suspect would be more something off the value menu for them. But I'm not discounting you, sir... it just lacks the supporting testimony the other narrative has, is all.



posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 03:29 PM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

So basically ALL life with a nervous system as it's evolved mechanism wise on earth or similar places are used, especially us humans, as incubators for DESP? Like a Parasitoid Wasp? Or is it Human autonomic nervous systems only? What about the 99% of the rest of the universe where the likely hood of a nervous system evolving with the same mechanisms (or similar) that those on earth do is not likely. Are the poor DESP's starving out there and the earth is an oasis? Why does drama even matter to them. Wouldn't any stimuli on the autonomic system work. Why not live in anything else that ionizes? Or is it only human emotions that feed these DESP vampires. Hey question for you. Are these parasitic vampires sexy. I mean I know they are like dark matter and everything but do they have blue eyes and abs? Do chicks fawn over them?


Also, Why the Stomach and Lymph system? Why not the brain stem or some other autonomic nerve cluster? Wouldn't agitating humans and stowing away in the medulla oblongata be the best bang for the buck?



posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 05:56 PM
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a reply to: Baddogma

I agree with you that KPB may be on target re: "dark plasma critters" but just don't think it's the only 'horse in the race'...

I was struck by your point about the lack of 'efficiency'...

...It occurred to me that if imagination and belief are 'attractors' for 'plasma-ites', wouldn't we see children having high strangeness experiences all over the place?

Plus, when you start looking at belief as a factor...well there are fewer and fewer 'believers' (in anything) every day it seems - I would think that the 'plasmalians' would be starting to worry that their food source could totally dry up within another decade or so....

...I mean, I don't (personally) know anyone who believes in any of kind of high strangeness 'stuff' (and not many who 'really' even believe in 'God' these days).

Then too, when it comes to UFO phenomena (meaning the 5% 'truly' unexplainable ones), how would 'plasmas' account for sightings with multiple witnesses? or those with radar and 'eyes on' witnesses?

I just think (even speaking as a Vallee fan), that there could be more than one (more than two, maybe) 'sources' of 'strangeness phenomena'...



posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 08:57 PM
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originally posted by: Baddogma
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I'm still of the opinion that you may well be correct in your assessments of the plasmatoids, but that these are two co-existing narratives.. .there would be simpler ways for the 'plasmatics' to prey on my own belief energy, like having professors show up and speak to me in my bedroom (rather than sending pennies - as in an incident from last year).

So, dunno... just seems less efficient...they could certainly work my own wishy -washy suspicions over to cement my own beliefs, that are now pretty nebulous and lacking the power of conviction they could have... just sayin.

But perhaps they're working on a far yummier brain reading this thread, than my own... which I suspect would be more something off the value menu for them. But I'm not discounting you, sir... it just lacks the supporting testimony the other narrative has, is all.





If you'll notice sir.. there are various extreme personalities on this forum
who "fight and die" for their "narrative" just as strongly as you do for yours..
it's human nature.. and all those narratives are different.

So you view yours as 'special'? The "one which is really true"? And everyone
else is wrong?

Or maybe there is a unifying "reality" causing all these "effects". One
which parades around UFOs just as easily as angry desert 'gods' or
pixies or whatever.

Of course you could say that "my flavor" is just another of these same
things as you and others have .. and in a sense you'd be right.

But I give more credence to "meta explanations" which can explain
everyone else's explanations.. and of course I have close, intimate,
life-long interaction with "my theory".. having "experienced"
the full spectrum in all their forms.. including right in my
face BTUFO with all the intimate details..yah, a "gray alien",
a "dark magician", a "demon from the void" .. all the forms..

yet I don't go around talking about all those forms.. I'm interested
in what's behind the magicians wand.. not just another weak
narrative that suckers all the other "marks" in the world.

Or I'm wrong .

Just sharing my perspective.

Kev



posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 09:08 PM
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a reply to: Baddogma

Oh one more comment my friend..

You and other's keep indicating that these 'beings' or 'forces' could be
more 'efficient'.. more confrontational.. to 'lure you in'.

That's why you like the A**** narrative so much.. you feel COURTED
by the events.. you were INVITED IN.. you were made PART OF
SOMETHING.

Only, what you really were was 'stimulated' and then you interacted
with the "hidden reality' via a magician's wand..

It's like in the old stories.. some 'master' suckers in the 'disciple'
by calling them special.. and saying they will meet a "tall dark
stranger" soon, who will 'initiate them' or whatever.. and thus
your mind baits a hook for you, hook line and sinker, and you
swallow your own auto-baited hook. This happens both
psychologically and in concert at times with 'the hidden reality'

... it's YOU that give the 'form to the destroyer'.. you pull in the
fantasy and make it real for you.

And that makes the 'link' with the 'unseen' that I've talked about..
it doesn't matter what causes the link.. it's the link that's the
desired outcome.. the little red wagon not the contents of
the wagon.

You see.. these 'forces' / 'beings' /'tendencies' don't consider
us 'persons' from their perspective.. we are little matrices
which modify their beings when they flow through us in
various ways.. so they try to arrange things so that we
will 'close the circuit' for them.. both within ourselves
and the local and non-local environments.

They don't go.. "oh, I'm gonna screw with R's mind until
he does what I want... ".

You are more like conductive silly putty to them.. your
brain and personality just don't register or matter for
most of them..

Humans make the mistake of 'humanizing themselves'
when it comes to these matters.. and they aren't..
not to 'them'.

Do you see my perspective?

It's been obvious to me for a lifetime.. but hard to
get others to follow .. due to all the human baggage
people carry around, due to their delusions about
who they are and their 'role' or 'place' in this big
uncaring Universe.

Kev



posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 09:22 PM
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a reply to: BASSPLYR

It's only a certain primitive type of biological life-form
like us, which has happened to co-evolve this way.

Now, I'm certainly open to the concept that there are
other biological species out there, maybe 5 galaxies
over, who have evolved the same as we have..

There may even be 'classical high-tech aliens' out there
say 1000 galaxies away who we may never meet.

But it's a big empty universe in my opinion.. with a few
'game preserves' of ancient progenitor types like us..

I suspect that there have been other species like us,
who someday evolve into a plasma type critter,
or an artificial intelligence / nannite type critter.

I think that 'humans' like us, 'on the cusp' of another
stage in self-directed evolution are very rare...
and only say in this stage for at most a couple
thousand years.. before leaving a biological
entity stage..

I mean, these meat bodies are very frail..
and of limited capacity on any larger scale.

Now.. why do the DPE interact with us?
That's always the $64,000 question.

What I've observed in my own case at least,
is that DPE are like bags of 'sentient dark
electrons', who in order to become 'the
next level of intelligence' must interact
with a computer (us) to gain a full sense
of self and to gain in intellligence and
personality.

(the old stories about 'spirits' becoming
'corrupted' by interacting with humans).

WE ARE THEIR EVOLUTIONARY NICHE
that lets them evolve.. by our complex
nervous systems, bodies, etc 'rubbing
off on them'.

BTW, the stomach is the second largest
concentration of nerves in the body
after the brain.... look it up.

The personality in the brain repels
the DPE, unless you give them access
willingly.. you know.. pray to god or
jesus or buddha or do a yoga technique
or whatever..

Yes.. this is the 'dark truth'.

And sure.. some 'become sexy' .. the
Jinn / Incubus / Incubi you know..
but most of these guys are only
partially sentient..

when these little fellers finish maturing
they seem to 'leave our neck of the
woods' -- it's a fairly nasty place
we live in here.. if you haven't
noticed.

Kev



posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 09:28 PM
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a reply to: lostgirl

I just like to focus on the basics.. I'm certain there
are multiple games in town.

I did fully discuss my theory with Vallee in person
you know.. it was quite the interesting 5 hours
we spent.

He certainly hinted at various things.. but he's one
tight lipped scientific gentleman.. he would never
betray confidential information or go off the deep
end..

Kev



posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 09:37 PM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Well, Kev, you never, ever fail to give me something to ponder... so once again, thanks.

And yes, I partially see your perspective as you write well and as far as being courted, I know of what you speak ...most especially with some very odd events around certain (very nice, for the most part) characters attempting to draw in and change my own beliefs ... as in my oft brought up incident where a mystic Christian was trying to "save" me and all manner of synchronicity and strangeness happened... so, as I often say, your view conforms with a reality I've experienced... and might even explain it better than others' suggestions...

but it doesn't match this instance, so much, from my own experience with this specific narrative... perhaps another individual is experiencing that same basic "feeding" though... can't say.

Doesn't mean you aren't right... doesn't mean you aren't wrong, either... as you would admit... so I'll keep mulling until my fevered mind spits out a slip of paper with the big answer... .and if my mulling, itself, feeds the bears, then let 'em feed.

Thoughts are cheap around my picnic table and beliefs have less foothold here than in any other table I can see from my vantage point... much yummier fare over yonder.



posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 09:46 PM
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originally posted by: Baddogma
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Well, Kev, you never, ever fail to give me something to ponder... so once again, thanks.

And yes, I partially see your perspective as you write well and as far as being courted, I know of what you speak ...most especially with some very odd events around certain (very nice, for the most part) characters attempting to draw in and change my own beliefs ... as in my oft brought up incident where a mystic Christian was trying to "save" me and all manner of synchronicity and strangeness happened... so, as I often say, your view conforms with a reality I've experienced... and might even explain it better than others' suggestions...

but it doesn't match this instance, so much, from my own experience with this specific narrative... perhaps another individual is experiencing that same basic "feeding" though... can't say.

Doesn't mean you aren't right... doesn't mean you aren't wrong, either... as you would admit... so I'll keep mulling until my fevered mind spits out a slip of paper with the big answer... .and if my mulling, itself, feeds the bears, then let 'em feed.

Thoughts are cheap around my picnic table and beliefs have less foothold here than in any other table I can see from my vantage point... much yummier fare over yonder.



Sure!

But explain to me why I saw / experienced a startling clear and 'impossible'
BTUFO "almost right in my face - relative distances I know" and I don't give
ANY credence to the A**** narrative?

Seems perverse doesn't it?

Other people think they saw some blurry shaky lights way far off, and are
hooked completely.

On the other hand, I can describe fine features over 66% or more of the
'craft'.

It doesn't seem like the 'phenomena' likes you guys at ALL, but "loves me".

Isn't that strange to you?

How does your theory explain that?

I'm not trying to be a stinker butt.. It's a valid question don't you
think?

Kev



posted on Jan, 12 2016 @ 10:33 PM
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originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

But explain to me why I saw / experienced a startling clear and 'impossible'
BTUFO "almost right in my face - relative distances I know" and I don't give
ANY credence to the A**** narrative?

Seems perverse doesn't it?

On the other hand, I can describe fine features over 66% or more of the
'craft'.

It doesn't seem like the 'phenomena' likes you guys at ALL, but "loves me".

Kev



Maybe that's the key right there...maybe the "phenomena" - "loves" you, because you're the one who believes in it the most - not A###o's narrative, but the 'phenomena' generators themselves (the 'plasma' guys).

Think about it, you said (somewhere) that at the time you saw that triangle, you had been doing a 'meditation/ritual' type thing for several days - in essence 'calling' a black triangle to you...

...and since you are very invested in the certainty (belief) of plasma critter existence, maybe that's why they gave you that extremely 'up close and personal', detailed manifestation of the quintessential BTUFO...?

Ooooohhhh - what if it is your very certainty in the plasma's as primary generators of phenomena that is investing them with a degree of 'reality' which they might otherwise 'not' have had?



posted on Jan, 13 2016 @ 05:58 AM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

But then why am I, as a grand poo-bah (or at least junior journalist) in the secret spaceman meme, left with only a stray dream and a few anonymous testimonies to not really cement my own views of it's narrative reality? Why didn't I see a detailed craft (recently) and/or have cosmic professors visit my disheveled bed to induct me into their narrative with little room for questions?

I won't try to convince you of this maybe reality, as it may well be you "they" are after... I am, alas, quite unimportant!

Again, I think you are on to something very, very interesting and maybe very, very true... but are hammering every darned nail you see with a big ol' plasma hammer.


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posted on Jan, 13 2016 @ 10:42 AM
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a reply to: Baddogma

Well that's the interesting point.

Some people get run over by Santa's
reindeer and don't believe in Santa.

Others see basically nothing and then
run around screaming Rudolph!
Rudolph for no reason.

As for my 'plasma mania'...I can
certainly understand your and
others perspective on that.

Some people prefer poetry or
religion to the nuts and bolts
behind the human mystery
and it's all good.

Kev




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