Black Triangle UFOs and an Alleged Breakaway Civilization- Discuss

a reply to: Baddogma

Its great to see this thread up and active again.

I am wondering.... has anyone seen this season of Fargo? First time i see a big black triangle (realistic too) in mainstream TV. Depictions of missing time too.

Point is.... maybe bassplyr can tell us if the speed depicted of the bbt in episode one is similar to what he saw.

a reply to: Baddogma

Sounds almost like "The Adjustment Bureau"

I can't say one way or the other about the beams and altering a subjects brain state at will in my case. but i am convinced the vehicle I saw was real on all occasions. the unsolicited response I got from people outside of ATS was enough to convince me of that.

hey why not run some experiments on their gear while they already had my attention and a easy avenue to communicate. I was engaged, vigilent, clever, and in a easy position to give then knowingly or not live data feedback. so why not use me?

there is one aspect of remotely hacking ones senses that I do know they are developing. I'll dance around it here on ATS but won't come right out and say it. I'm sure they would be touchy about that.

a reply to: combatmaster

can I get a link so I can look at the bbt in the episode. maybe a time to fast forward to? I'll review it and let you know my impressions.

a reply to: cavtrooper7

Yeah, when musing about pop entertainment and people who've heard about this trying to give others a clue about this "truth," that flick came to mind...

The various thoughts that develop from entertaining this as truth are pretty wild... and from the little Astro divulged, the tech they (allegedly) posses might as well be godlike... I got that they monitor the clones and keep them from harm, and if so, that implicates some form of future sight... perhaps not only can they can piece together photons from the past to see history, but perhaps they can either predict the future with astounding accuracy (something a bio brain might be needed for.. .extrapolating movements and trends in the physical universe) or maybe actually seeing the future.. . via tachyons or something, who knows.

a reply to: Baddogma

hey just watched the scene where the triangle is witnessed by that one guy in the parking lot outside the diner.

it's too bright, or at least in comparison to the one I saw. it doesn't spin, or at least not in comparison to the one I saw, which didnt. what I saw travelled roughly twice as fast as the one depicted. colors off too. at least in comparison to what I saw.

says to me nobody writing for fargo or working on the special effects has seen a real one to get it right. but its a good show from what I've heard. I should check out the season.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

Faster than that would mean pretty much from horizon to horizon in under 3 seconds? am i far off?

If so, then mind = blown!

originally posted by: combatmaster
a reply to: BASSPLYR

Faster than that would mean pretty much from horizon to horizon in under 3 seconds? am i far off?

If so, then mind = blown!

fast enough to leave after images?

a reply to: Baddogma

Hey Baddogma: I always wanted to ask you….LOL: what's so bad about your dogma?

as to your response: this stands out for me, particularly:

The fact it can be explained away as physical mental illness makes it hard to discuss with any certainty… but the basic science and logical pursuit by government and private researchers makes sense.

That nailed it, right there. We can't really discuss this in any serious, intellectual and factual matter, because the moment you anecdotally report your experiences vis a vis possible mind control, you just sound like a schizo-affective idiot, off your meds…..

And it particularly resonated with me that Gut said he felt he was definitely in some kind of experimental group.
Frankly, I tend to think that all of us are living through that. You can chooose to ignore the evidence and experience, and just indulge in "checking out," television, movies, credit cards, going to work and buying stuff. Or, you can
"awaken" to the reality and begin to search for answers, which is how many of us end up on sites like this. Regardless, it seems there is little choice attendent to what we are speaking of.

The point is, for me, here, is that speaking of it frankly always carries a price. Is it worth paying? Speaking of it may not help you at all, but it may touch someone else, and help them know they are, indeed, quite sane, when they feel like they are alone and losing their mind……

I, too, try not to think too much about where my best thoughts come from. But I certainly know that the worst ones filling my mind, frequently, do not originate from my "grey matter," at all, because I simply know myself that well, and am solid about who I am and who I am not.

That the technology exists to introduce, interfere, tag and rob and affect consciousness, itself, seems to be a moot argument, these days. And so, I don't choose to engage in it. It's been documented for many years now. I don't see this as the issue any longer, and don't waste my time on engaging in trying to back that up.

What I do invest emotion and time in, is that there should be a solid belief about what is sacrosanct, precious about consciousness and humanity. And you are very right: this is what is at stake, here, and challenged by such technology. This is the whole point, to me, of discussing it. We are worthy. Period, end of story. We are beautiful, living creatures, which should never be interfered with. It isn't technology meant to improve us. It is meant to control and justify such. In this sense, it can only do grevious harm.

We are worth more than that. Yet, we, as a species, have created it. It is our responsibility to stand up to it, end it, for ourselves, our children, and children's children, and all life on this planet.
regards to you
tetra

a reply to: BASSPLYR
I saw one variant that spun. It was small and grey with reddish/orange tips. About the size of a VW.

One time I was watching hockey or something so had a few drinks in me. It was very close and I felt balsy. I ran out to snap a pic and the sucker shot straight up, leaving a bizarre, polygonal tuft of smoke. It was always in escort with two orange helicopters.

Last week caught an outline of a moderate sized one. All the broad sides were camoed, but the main outline was visible.
It hovered then slowly started to move west, then just hit incredible speeds withl no sound whatsoever.

a reply to: Baddogma

This may be nothing to do with the subject i question but I do not have the time to trawl through the entireity of both threads so please discard if not relavant to the topic.

Sometime earlier this year I was in my local town at around 3pm on a pretty sunny day. Looking up I noticed what I first thought was an airplane but quickly realised it was not.

What I saw was a black triangular opject maybe 100 or so feet in the air and if I have my distance right was about 6 to 8 feet long. If anything it kind of looked like a stealth bomber but a lot smaller.

The really strange thing was that although it was flying it was making absolutley no sound and moving incredibly slowly, too slowly to be "in flight" if that makes sense. It also did not appear to be hovering as there was no visible proppellers and it did not seem to move in the wind, it had a really steady movement.

It could nnot have been moving any faster than maybe 6 miles an hour as I managed to follow it for about 10 mins before it beat me.

As soon as I got home I promptly came to ATS and made a thread but as I have no smart phone to record footage It was promptly poo poo'd by ur resident debunkers and everyone decided it was a drone.

It was nothing like any drone I have ever seen although I do like near quite a few RAF bases.

Does this have anything to do with your OP or is it unrelated?

EDIT: It was actually November 14th 2014.

Here is my origional OP as my memory was a litle out on estimated size distance and speed.

"No pic I'm afraind so a bit of a long shot but it really has me puzzled so I will explain it the best I can.

Broad daylight in a quiet residential area.I saw something hovering above me, at first I thought it was a bird of prey as it was kind of hanging in the air but is was not a bird. It was about 80 feet up, tottally black and I would guess it was about 6 feet across. It looked kind of like the stealth bomber in shape.

It hovered for a while and then started moving off, it moved very unusually, not like a bird or a plane and not like kite. The movement was very fluid and there was no sound it moved away from me at around 10 to 15 miles and hour and I followed it as it was actually in the direction I was walking. Eventually it got away from me.

I thought it may have been a drone or model airplane but I googled both looking for something similar and found nothing.

I am totally baffled as to what it could be so any suggestion would be welcome(but not aliens!) "

a reply to: combatmaster

first time I saw it, where I was going on an on about its sound less speed it went from the middle of Santa Monica to just before LAX airport further south along the coastline. I figure three seconds for it to travel that distance, which is 4.5 to 5 miles. let's say I was,wrong and it really took 5 seconds to travel that distance. say that breaks down to .8 miles a second. that's still mach 2.45 with zero sound and at about a 2 to 5 thousand feet. so yeah pretty fast and impressive.

the second sighting, which was slower speed I'm figuring at most conseractive estimate. it travelled 1 mile in 3 seconds. that works out to the craft travelling mach 1.4 at 1000 foot to maybe 2000 foot alt. again with zero sound. over los angeles. and others have seen it too. a pair of nurses a few months before me on a smoke break at 3am at the local hospital about a Mile away. described the exact same thing i did. a group of high school students late at night in the city of hawthorne just south of LAX watched it hover..

whatever it is its speed is impressive. and it's got amazing penetrating skills, and I'm 99.99% sure its ours. developed without outside help.



yuppa, not fast enough to create streaks or trails.



wingsfan, yeah mibe was grey too. a matte medium grey, semi luminescent like the grey color of a old DOS computer screen and with a slight pearlescense to it. lights soft, fuzzy whitish blue. size, I wanna say about the size of a fighter jet. 60-70 foot per side. equalateral in shape. on second sighting when directly overhead at an est. 1-2k foot. about the size as the inside length of your thumb when hand outstretched at arm's length. interesting you saw yours spin. mine was going like a bat outta hell on a roughly strait path. first sighting it tacked or yawed on its axis to vere out over the ocean. second time it banked gently like a plane would.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

This one was always accompanied by two very unassuming helicopters. Each day it came closer and closer, till it was right over the roof of the apartments next door.

I swore every curse known to man yet nobody bothered to even glance my way. I suspect some brainfart ray is being used.

I tell ya I could write a book or two about what I've seen. What Astro said about collapsing corridors is pretty spot on. Weirdest thing was finally seeing the big one, it was soo familiar feeling to me.

originally posted by: Baddogma
a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

it's the "best" UFO explanation I've come across in decades of searching

There's another one - (funnily enough about Black Triangles AND by someone who posts on here)- that is comparable.

a reply to: Jukiodone

which one is that? I'm always interested in hearing any sort of explanation to the phenomena. leave no stone unturned as they say. plus dark triangles is sorta vague. the phenomena cones in all shapes and sizes and I don't think they are all correlated. for instance I think the very large slow triangles are totally different from small fast triangles.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

Read entire page from top.
link

Now that's a well crafted story.

If that was dropped on ATS shortly after a period of verified black triangular aircraft sightings (thus present in peoples minds)- I think it would have created a similar vibe.

a reply to: Baddogma

Many thanks for that, it's good to know that A....O manages to keep the board alive with inquiry long after his revelations (I was around at the time, and remember 'clicking' with aspects of the theory/revelation).

On a related note, I've long been a dreamer of portent & deep symbolism - entirely involuntary, I just seem to dream in detail, with heavy messages & 'contact' from various powers - it never stops. I often wake up more tired than when I went to sleep... Anyway, some time after reading the initial breakaway revelations threads, I had a dream that blew me away, never mentioned it before, so I guess now's a good time.

In the dream, I was 'abducted' by a benevolent human faction, who were established out in space, primarily based within the solar system - it seemed the main vessel I was attached to had a link to Lunar, but it seemed like the ship was designed for long distance travel, in addition to being a permanent space station of some sort. I asked whether I could see the technical specifications for the ship, and was told in a friendly way - "There's no need, you can find it all online" (meaning the terrestrial internet). I was pretty shocked by this, but got the discernment that the guy I was speaking with was being very honest. That discernment happened to be the reason I had been brought to them, in that they were having some diplomatic problems with a race, or faction, of aliens which were ensconsed on Mars, living in subterranean bases, themselves proclaiming to be prospective allies of Humanity, and allegedly possessing diplomatic ties with another race, or faction, living in proximity to Jupiter. The human faction wanted me to visit with the Mars groups, and to report back on my discernments of their intentions & allegiances. I have long had a humble gift of the Spirit, which is the discernment of spirits - that may mean something particular to some, but basically it's intended to mean that I have the concrete ability to determine whether someone is being truthful, or deceptive, and whether any other intelligences are interfering or slouching around nearby. It's supra-rational, in that it doesn't require me to 'think about it' - rather, through simple contact with a person, a group, or a faction, I can intuit their individual & collective intentions, and level of truthfulness. This insight can be quite subtle & precise, such as knowing which members of a group believe & intend certain things, such as may be different from the corporate mindset.

So anyway, that was why I was there - and these 'Martians' were basically 'greys'. They professed a right-minded approach & attitude to Humanity, claiming to be on our side; however, my conclusion based on contact was that they weren't what they appeared to be - that they were spiritually extremely dark, their culture desolate & bereft of any sort of wholesome quality, and they were actually allied with seriously demonic forces which were also masquerading in the shadows as prospective allies wherever possible, though their overt presence was always unmistakably negative. They had done a good job at disguising their intentions, but my sense of the truth was very clear. And that was that. There was no fanfare, no after-party, I was there to do a job, did it, and was returned with a spark of optimism - that the human faction was genuinely benevolent, and that there was a plethora of wonder 'out there' which one day we will all become aware of. The experience dovetailed neatly with parts of the A....O narrative, and I couldn't quite shake the feeling that it may have been more than a simple dream - I still believe it could have represented an actual 'Breakaway Abduction', and I wonder whether we should perhaps be putting a bit more of a focus on pulling all such strands of experience together, forming a new paradigm, instead of the tired (and deceptive) 'beings of light' or 'scientific greys' paradigms. The truth, to me, (in light of this, and other, experiences) is that there is a Human Front, out there in the stars, or at least amongst the planets of our system, waging a 'cold war' against others which are incursive upon our system & way of life. I think we have rediscovered ancient tech of the 'elder gods', and despite obstacles it is a brave new world, into which we all at some point will be brought.

Hope you found my 'BREAK-AB' tale of interest. I sincerely believe it forms part of a new narrative, connected to MIL-AB experiences, connected to the A...O information, which perhaps shows the 'optimist' aspect of an otherwise quite depressing & sketchy oddysey.

a reply to: Jukiodone

Thanks for that Juk (and your contributions here and in other threads, too... your knowledge base is quite helpful).

That is quite interesting and has the 'feel' of truth to it as well.. .and might well be complimentary info regarding the same basic situation.

Sigh... this (alleged) elitist split of info has to end, and those not able to deal with it will just have to deal... perhaps not the details, but general events and accomplishments... otherwise, we devolve into factionalism, fascism and injustice.

Or we already have.

a reply to: tetra50

Oh the handle came from the days when a younger me loved trolling "religious nuts" ... now I'm a freakin' mystic (with scientific leanings, but mystic nonetheless) ... karma really IS quite the system ; )

And "yes" to all you wrote, especially about loving human beings and knowing a hands-off consciousness approach enables humans like those that populate the classics section of any bookstore... so of COURSE I hope some idiots aren't playing with my, or anyone's, thoughts while they're simultaneously keeping their fantasy football up to date.

But, the reality might be darker than we suspect... and it could coalesce with the flick of a switch through the closest Wi-Fi hotspot. I know you have been through it... me? I've kept my own brain pickled in strange chems for most of the last decades and it's doubtful anyone would bother.

It comes down to trust ... and the fact this "maybe mind tech" is so secret doesn't make one trustful... and enables one to make some dark conclusions.

"Interesting times" doesn't quite do the darker suppositions justice.

And yeah, early on in our exchanges I suspected shizo disorder with you ... which was sad because it was obvious you held a fantastic intellect... now I have changed my mind on that over the last couple years and think you may just be truthful and sane and just "delicate" because nobody really believes you!

It seems a few of us do, now (believe you)... and hopefully nobody will set you off with the flick of a switch and "prove" your instability... which seems flip, but ... you know what I mean.

Anyway, you are brave, smart and sane, Tet (well, sane within the broad confines of that definition that might just exclude myself, that is) ... and speaking out about something that barely anyone would believe or WANT to... so ... now what??

Mind control is pretty much the toughest dragon to even find, let alone convince other folks about or even have a plan to deal with, let alone slay, is what I mean.