Black Triangle UFOs and an Alleged Breakaway Civilization- Discuss

a reply to: yuppa

Hence my use of the word "allegedly".

Why are you suddenly stating Astr0's "info" as fact BTW?

I haven't been keeping up with this so has something changed/have you become aware of new information?

a reply to: Jukiodone

no. just it makes more and more sense is all.

a reply to: yuppa

Graphene is just now coming into the white world via a russian inventor. and others. Which means we have had it for a long time like since the 50s most likely.

This is what never adds up.... the premise that a few scientists back in the day clocked all this info (supposedly attributed to Allice. unlikely imho), kept it dark.... but that doesnt guarantee that other scientists will not discover same things.

If this was only human made advances then how was it kept dark all this time, if all it takes to 'uncover it' is for it to be 'officially' discovered and made public.
The only other theory that answers this is something that humans cannot achieve on thier own!
What you think?

a reply to: combatmaster

I hear alot of people say that....how can it be kept in the dark and no one know about it? They just can because they control the media,information,scientist funding and if need be make them dissapear.

As officially discovered goes. HEre is a example. The army had a engine that would run on hydrogen 20 yrs before it was"publically" discovered.

How did they keep the stealth secret 20 yrs? IF they can do that its easy to do other stuff.

a reply to: Jukiodone

After the whole A---0 thing broke, I spent a good bit of time researching Orion. I read a lot of papers/lectures by the design team as well as all the tech specs I could get my hands on. I found no speck of proof that the project wasn't canceled. What I did find was project documentation that seemed to be nearly ready to move beyond theoretical, and a bunch of scientists who seemed oddly at peace with having years of their life spent on a project that supposedly went nowhere.

I can't prove it in court, but if I were a betting man I'd give odds that the Orion program continued successfully. Just my opinion though.

a reply to: shagg

I posted the article because there is a degree of ambiguity in terms of Mcnamara pulling the plug.

I'm not professing to confirm or deny anything however:

From a rational perspective, a small program of 1 or 2 vessels that use the technology would still require a significant number of people, significant infrastructure, significant materials and significant amounts of money.

I'm not saying it would be IMPOSSIBLE to do this (and have everyone/everything involved kept quiet/disappeared) but it would involve an UNPRECEDENTED level of security ( people often site the Manhattan project as an example but it had lots of security issue in terms of double agents and general leaks).

A lot of time has passed since the 60's and not one whistleblower, piece of evidence or residual clue ???

What were these crafts used for?- The idea of setting up a base in the Moon is great, the idea of terra-forming other planets even better but it would literally be the biggest thing humanity has ever undertaken...so many millions of issues to overcome and do it all in secret seems to over estimate our capabilities... even if the project was attempted today.

a reply to: Jukiodone

I have a suggestion as to how it has stayed secret. They are sent off planet and not allowwed to communicate with anyone but approved people.

a reply to: yuppa

Basically, they are told to cut ties with everyone they know -- pretty much forever.

I would wager that to be involved in the secret space program you would have to be recruited very early, and have very few family members or friends that would miss you.

Although, in order to get certain specialists or top tier special forces -- they could always fake their deaths. Once your dead to everyone on Earth, you have no ties and no one to leak secrets to.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: yuppa



"I would wager that to be involved in the secret space program you would have to be recruited very early, and have very few family members or friends that would miss you."



So thats why I have no friends!!! I knew I was part of the secret space program somehow!!! Damn you space clone, I blame my lonely life on you!!! And, you've never shared once any space babes with your earth brother you damn ingrate.

I'd considered the off planet angle but you still need to get all the resources and people off planet in the first place then provide them a structure to live and work in whilst they build the craft.

Where was it?

The moon is the obvious choice but its still a looong way away and very inhospitable....setting up a facility that could house the required number of people to manufacture an Orion type craft would require thousands of people in the first place.

A space station cum MIC in space would be an equally massive undertaking.

Who provided the food, who provided the water, who provided the materials, who provided the oxygen and didn't anybody wonder where their biggest sale ever was going????

You would basically need an"Earth 2" - to facilitate a secret Orion programme...
Things never go right all of the time so it's not like you can just cut man's umbilical to Earth and expect him to do fine in space using resources he can scavenge ...especially when it comes to building never-before-built Space crafts in extreme environments.

Would love to be proved wrong but without access to Earths populous, resources and life support system the Orion "tribe" would perish/revolt/go mad long before they managed to get the first prototype (which they wouldnt know would definitely work) out of their factory..

a reply to: MystikMushroom

There is another ready source of general laborers that nobody thinks about in most countries. Orphans, Given how many orphan children are around in differing countries vs how many adults that were orphans seems to be greatly different in numbers. So where do all the orphans go when they grow up? Why does it seem like some orphanages always have kids, but never any teenagers, nor have any adoptions occur?

So the issue of a workforce is kind of moot, but what isn't is where are these "Break-a-way" societies getting the resources to construct their crafts, farm their foods, and such. Even if we take into consideration that they are working off world, then we must ask ourselves why return to Earth? Even in consideration of "That Thread" the question remains: "Why return to Earth"

I believe that the Triangle events we've been having has little to no connection to the "Break-a-way" society of research scientists from the 1950's. Let's face it 1950 is where this all started, so if you really wanted to know about this "Break-a-way" group then that's where I would start.

Maybe start researching into the scientists involved in project Orion themselves. Did they die fairly young? If so, that may be a red flag that their death was faked. Did these same scientists go on to continue working in science, or did their careers just sort of vanish? This may also be another clue.

a reply to: Guyfriday

They return to earth to collect the navigational computations from their sleeping neural network of course...
Too much emotion in that idea for a member of an advanced off world society IMO....it's got angry Earth dweller written all over it.

ETA@ MysticMushroom

I did a bit of research and there were some interesting things relating to the so called "brain drain" and scientists who worked on the Nuclear programmes going missing but nothing to suggest the best people weren't actually at NASA/FRSA and cetainly nothing to suggest a NASA'esque budget or procurement chain hidden better than the Manhattan project.

If anyone fancies some positivity around the topic I noticed the entire Secret Space Program/Breakaway civ conference vids from 2014 are now available for free on YT BTW: www.youtube.com...

Who's to say there isn't a space station up there somewhere out of sight from amateur astronomers either? There were a lot of rocket launches during the space race that could have had hidden building materials added. If it's rotating and creates its own gravity, people could spend a lot longer in space.

originally posted by: Jukiodone
a reply to: Guyfriday

They return to earth to collect the navigational computations from their sleeping neural network of course...
Too much emotion in that idea for a member of an advanced of world society....it's got angry Earth dweller written all over it.

And that's where I get lost. This "Break-a-way" society has been away since the 1960's, so they should have their own source of ready to dream "navigational computers". So then what's the deal here? The non-break a way people (like us here) are on the verge of making computers that can mimic the human brain. Are you saying that a morally detached "Break-a-way" society hasn't gotten that close, or even created one of these yet?

Lets say this point is valid though, then we still are left with the fact that these members of the "Break-a-way" society haven't figured out how to create artificial uterus or even figure out that they need a certain percentage of population to be women. Instead they just use regular people as a source of tools, and that's kind of messed up. If that angle is true then we should be spending our time trying to stop them, shouldn't we?

a reply to: Guyfriday

...Or trying to work out why someone who was clearly well versed in this area would set up such a compelling story then leave 1 hour after dropping their bombshell.

I think I know the answer but I still have some doubts (aka Starwars fanboy hope) due to the vouches, timelines, photos and coerced sightings.....I dont hate on anyone for believing this as it is by far the best all round attempt (if not truth) I've ever seen in one place....I can still remember the punchy taglines FFS LOL.

Astr0 log back in....just say you're on shore leave or something...

a reply to: Jukiodone
I think you misunderstood me. I'm not saying that I believe them or not. What I am saying is that if we were to believe this narrative provided to us, then we should be figuring up what the end game is.

If you go to the Research Thread: ATS:Black Triangles, RKs and the secret space program.

There is a wealth of info on this topic (that for some reason just got dropped). There is enough data out there to back up most of what Astr0 stated. My concern isn't with that thread, but rather with this "Break-a-way" society's agenda. This being said, I strongly believe that the current triangle craft appearances have little to do with the "Break-a-way" society.

My take on the whole Foreverman Break Away Civ Story is that its a bunch a BS.

That Astro was using the story as a vehicle to touch on all the nifty stuff the govt. is doing with advanced science and tech, being an engineer, well placed to know about several programs, he was itching to share bits of his life's work. He needed a vehicle to indirectly bring up these ideas and technologies. In the end he wanted us to think about all of this, dream about it, let our imaginations fly so that we can get on the road to researching these technologies to learn about them for our selves. You know "sleep on it"

I think that the Clones for communication thing was a allusion to Secure Quantum Entanglement communication systems coming out into public knowledge soon.

I Think the Break Away Civilization is more like a clandestine secret branch of the military that utilizes devices based on "break away" classified physics breakthroughs. Probably for a very advanced space program along with tons of another applications that needed to be kept classified.. But I don't think there is a literal break away society. It may be "like" a break away society but it still answers to TPTB in my opinion.

I think the whole communicate with people while they are dreaming is more about the upcoming technology on Brain/Machine neural interfaces that don't require a physical connection to the body to achieve communication.

I think it's also possible that they are trying out various Radio Frequency beams or broadcasts on certain segments of society or individuals to test out the technology. The RF's induce E and B fields in the brain and make people trip out n hallucinate if done in a crude way, relay data possibly or other stuff if finessed just right, etc. Can test parts of the program on soldiers but you will probably need to test it out on unsuspecting civilians too to make sure aspects of it works.

He mentioned the center light ( the red ones) are responsible for communicating with the subjects brain, or to relay data. The red light sure looks like it puts out low frequency light. The three lights on the outside of a triangle look like they are putting out high frequency lights. Pulsing between the two rapidly you could possibly create a Air Laser www.insidescience.org... type effect and aim it at a subject. What if they tweaked the idea to create RF frequencies with the Air Laser concept using those lights on the bottom and then used that as an interface to electromagnetically induce changes in the subjects brain thus communicating data, causing hallucinations, or causing the subject to not see anything at all (hint). He could have been tacitly going there with the Dream Harvesting talk.

What his end game was, honestly I think, to get us to do what we are doing right now. Discussing theoretical physics and technology breakthroughs. As a form of disclosure maybe. Or just to get us to see what's really going on if we are smart enough to explore the allusions he was talking about in his story.

As for Astr0 logging back on and talking to us. He probably got the phone call where they say "You are no longer allowed to go on this website or any like it. You are to terminate all contact with the people who were talking to on these websites. You are to shut the hell up. OR we will be outside your door with a orange jumpsuit, and drop all your pensions"

a reply to: BASSPLYR
Hence the "most of what they said" part. Now to be fair there was a group of Scientists back in the 50's that strongly advocated separating from society (this can be researched in the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists available through google books if you're lazy like me and don't want to find a print edition)

I'll agree with most everything else you've said, but this: If the advocates in the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists (or BAS) is correct, then a group of scientists believing themselves to be morally above everyday people did in fact break a way to form a separate but not equal society. These BAS could be the so-called PTB (Powers that Be).

Science is a weird thing that can do really weird stuff if you don't care about the "rules". You can freeze water using microwave oven parts, disable a person using a lazar pointer, or drive a person nuts using a simple key alarm. So who knows what a morally corrupt group of scientists could do.

A breakaway civilization reminds me of the plot in the Issac Asimov series "Foundation". The "Foundation" was a group of scientists taken to a backwater planet to continue their research while the galactic empire crumbled. It was hoped that this enclave of scientists could rebuild and shorten the time between the collapse of the empire and the building of a new one.

Perhaps human knowledge and science is being whisked off world because Earth is slowly deteriorating?