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Black Triangle UFOs and an Alleged Breakaway Civilization- Discuss

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posted on Mar, 3 2015 @ 05:38 AM
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Good to see the thread bumped up. No good recent sightings though,

Had a low wobbler one night that barely reflected moonlight. Then a few days ago saw one for 10 mins hovering then came over. Highly reflective looking nearly silver in color about the size of a fighter.

Been thinking about some of kev's points lately.




posted on Mar, 3 2015 @ 07:01 AM
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originally posted by: Arpad
Good to see the thread bumped up. No good recent sightings though,

Had a low wobbler one night that barely reflected moonlight. Then a few days ago saw one for 10 mins hovering then came over. Highly reflective looking nearly silver in color about the size of a fighter.

Been thinking about some of kev's points lately.


Out of curiosity, which points would those be?

For me, the point that people have been seeing these since before
the beginning of human civilization, and everyone sees something
different sure blows the human tech explanation out of the water
completely.

Kev



posted on Mar, 3 2015 @ 08:13 AM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

That some might not be what they seem. Some got the woo-sauce, others seem blimp like, and others like holograms.

And someone does have a psychological hand in the mix.



posted on Mar, 3 2015 @ 08:31 AM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

People have also seen generic UFO's, flying men, ghosts, dragons, angels, pixies, leprechauns, sprites, sea serpents, werewolves, vampires and Unicorns since "before the beginning of human civilization" as well.

It might be better to keep an open mind and not just exclude the human tech option based on a personal bias.



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posted on Mar, 3 2015 @ 09:36 AM
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a reply to: Jukiodone

I don't have a bias.

I know there are black project aircraft.

But they aren't UFOs, not in the same sense
as the UAPs.

Kev



posted on Mar, 3 2015 @ 09:37 AM
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originally posted by: Arpad
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

That some might not be what they seem. Some got the woo-sauce, others seem blimp like, and others like holograms.

And someone does have a psychological hand in the mix.


Definitely.

Kev



posted on Mar, 3 2015 @ 01:01 PM
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a reply to: Jukiodone

Totally agree with you post there Juki.

I would say most modern UFO sightings are USA and friends.

As for before that time. People hallucinate for all sorts of reasons. Shrugs.

As for me I'm standing firm on saw a Govt clandestine, super classified craft. Even think I know where part of its program might be ran out of.



posted on Mar, 3 2015 @ 01:29 PM
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a reply to: BASSPLYR

Well the one I saw was NOT such a craft
and I saw every last detail with utmost
clarity.

Now...I have no problem with the concept
'yours might have been something else'
and there is no point in arguing...

On the other hand it's pretty well known
among the better UFO researchers that
the government has been faking UFOs
with a vengeance for 75 years nonstop.

I've recently as of a month ago gotten
invited into a hard to get invited into
circle; so I'm 100% certain now of certain
things. On the other hand I was wrong
about other things.

I'm not in this thread to be confrontational;
I just stopped by because my name was
mentioned.

I'm also pondering whether an experiment
to bring around another sighting might
be more positive than negative. That's
a hard call.

So please consider me friendly overall.
;-)

Kev



posted on Mar, 3 2015 @ 09:40 PM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Hey, Kev, just out of curiosity, can you (and are you willing to) share any of the new learnings you've had?

I've been following these threads and researching in my spare time since he-who-shall-not-be-named pulled his vanishing act. I have my own opinions but have kind of hit a wall on new places to dig. Any thoughts or new angles would be welcome!

Thanks.....



posted on Mar, 3 2015 @ 10:11 PM
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originally posted by: shagg
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Hey, Kev, just out of curiosity, can you (and are you willing to) share any of the new learnings you've had?

I've been following these threads and researching in my spare time since he-who-shall-not-be-named pulled his vanishing act. I have my own opinions but have kind of hit a wall on new places to dig. Any thoughts or new angles would be welcome!

Thanks.....


Well I learned more about my own sighting, but nobody in this thread
has been interested in that, as I don't claim it has anything to do with
the theories in this thread.

I've learned more about the history of the government faking UFOs..
again that's not anything someone in this thread wants to talk about.

I've learned more about occult organizations (the lack of actually
except for one) associated with part of the government.

So I've learned more about the history of 'UFOs' more about 'real'
'UFOs' (UAP) and some of the mechanisms behind them.

But the narrative in this thread?

To make progress on confirming or denying the narrative, that
would be quite an effort.

Kev



posted on Mar, 3 2015 @ 10:21 PM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear
Why not start a.thread about what learned.

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posted on Mar, 3 2015 @ 10:41 PM
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originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear
Why not start a.thread about what learned.


I've posted much of what I've learned in other threads all over
ATS. I'f I were to start a new thread, I'd include a recommended
reading list of 8-10 books that i consider mandatory to keep the
post on track; and getting someone to read even one books is
nearly impossible. I myself have read nearly a dozen books
that someone on ATS I respect recommended to me, and it
paid off; due to that reading, I was allowed to collaborate
with a few researchers who are really worth knowing.

But the point for this post, is how we might move it forward
in one direction or another, when there are a number of very
entrenched opinions and no obvious path forward.

As a student of the 'Trickster' might say, the narrative/post
history of this narrative has been automatically deconstructing
itself the entire time, to keep 'progress' impossible. But that's
not unusual in any 'UFO' / 'paranormal' / 'high strangeness'
scenario.

Kev



posted on Mar, 5 2015 @ 12:29 PM
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originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: BASSPLYR

Well the one I saw was NOT such a craft
and I saw every last detail with utmost
clarity.


If you knew what Bassplyr knows you might Think Different about the potential appearance & behavior of exotic human-made technology.



posted on Mar, 5 2015 @ 01:48 PM
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a reply to: mbkennel






posted on Mar, 5 2015 @ 02:01 PM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Hey there, mbkennel, BASSPLYR (where the hell did dave go?) and KPB:




As a student of the 'Trickster' might say, the narrative/post
history of this narrative has been automatically deconstructing
itself the entire time, to keep 'progress' impossible. But that's
not unusual in any 'UFO' / 'paranormal' / 'high strangeness'
scenario.



I think this quote of Kev's is most germaine to this thread at this point. The thing is, if one wanted to get to some en totality truth of experiencers, why would there be such a thriving, striving, momentous effort to shut some's mouths?
Cause that's exactly what's happened on this thread. End of story. So sorry it's another denouement into that same territory.
tetra



posted on Mar, 5 2015 @ 02:27 PM
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a reply to: mbkennel

If Bassplayer knew what I knew...
etc. etc.

Apparently I got the best look by a factor
of 10 of anybody in the thread and I have
refused to believe the narrative.

Now thats 'the Trickster' at its very best
with gold stars and sprinkles on top.

The exact same game since Adamski
in 1947.

Kev



posted on Mar, 10 2015 @ 03:25 PM
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I just wanted to (again) say that it's (at the least possible) this UFO enigma consists of a few different phenomena, all lumped into weird things in the sky and encounters with weird things on the ground. The only solid fact is that it happens. It DOES happen.

It is a near certainty that "Snip's" narrative, if valid, doesn't cover all the very weird experiences folks have had through the millennia... KPB's model might well cover those instances far better. The others, since 1947 or so, might be as #Snips# suggested.

I see how this breakaway narrative seems puerile, especially as time and pragmatism intercedes and makes it appear more of an embarrassing infection of a surprisingly virulent meme... add the very real fact that people are far more susceptible to memes than they would like to believe, and I see his point and agree... emphatically, actually. I also offer that certain organizations know how to manipulate people very, very well and ...well... it just adds more murk.

But I also caution that there simply isn't enough data to make a statistically probable conclusion about any of this, yet. It could tie together (as everything does at a 'metalevel'), but it might be two or more separate tales and it cannot hurt to consider possibilities... in fact, that is likely our main function, as I see it.

And KPB, as I've said before, I, at least, would love a detailed description of your sighting and impressions.

I'm just having trouble seeing this as an "either - or." It's more likely a "maybe - and."



posted on Mar, 10 2015 @ 06:29 PM
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a reply to: Baddogma

I know that some folks in this thread
might view me as a 'bad guy' spoiling
the 'fun'; but I've stated it dozens of
times in this thread and many others
that there is almost certainly a hybrid
physical-ish (maybe even physical)
part of various 'stories' and other
elements frequently part of the
mix, such as dumb plasmas,
'smart plasmas', EM effects,
Earthlights, UAPs, etc.

Those things all seem to feed off
each other to create 'UFOs'.

In particular I'm totally fascinated
by the plasma envelope around
cutting edge aircraft, as I'd wager
it is creating 'foo fighters' X 100
fold compared to the first ones
in WWII.

I'm not adverse to discussing
technology. ..not at all...but it
seems to me that focussing
primarily on that is as bad a
trap as the ETH.

If I had to hazard a guess I'd
say that 80% of all UFO
sightings since WWII have
been letter agency blarney...
false radar returns (project
Palladium), crude milab
spoofs and abductions
(project Aquarius) and
misidentifications of U2,
stealth and primitive 'saucer'
protorypes.

Add in 10% plasma related
and maybe 5% 'other' and
0.0000000% ETH and there
you have IMHO.

There is an 85% chance we
are being turned into a
Paul Bennewitz --- the OP
thread was FAR too juicy.

But I'm actually quite willing
to discuss the 15% chance
we weren't just narrowly
'had' by the mirage men.

And BD I'm happy to discuss
my own sighting another
dozen times if you want;
but not in this thread if
you don't mind.

Kev



posted on Mar, 11 2015 @ 08:25 PM
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originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: BASSPLYR

Well the one I saw was NOT such a craft
and I saw every last detail with utmost
clarity.

Now...I have no problem with the concept
'yours might have been something else'
and there is no point in arguing...

On the other hand it's pretty well known
among the better UFO researchers that
the government has been faking UFOs
with a vengeance for 75 years nonstop.


So:

a) we know for sure there are exotic aircraft with remarkable technology

b) government is faking even more UFO's, presumably to make them look weird.

This is entirely consistent with government secret work, plus sophisticated psychological intelligence, and no ET. The reason for b is obvious with government motivations: decrease the signal to noise ratio of sightings of undisclosed aircraft. If they can't be perfectly hidden, or if it's too difficult and expensive to hide and conduct operations, then hide them psychologically.

If it's ET then there are two big holes to explain: how do they get here without many people noticing? and Why don't they talk after all these years?

If it's not ET, there are no big holes to explain.

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posted on Mar, 11 2015 @ 11:24 PM
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a reply to: mbkennel

a) There are exotic aircraft with ho-hum technology.

b) Correct.

Your conclusion Part 1:

Correct, but the ETH is riddled with other holes besides the ones you mention.

Your conclusion Part 2:

Incorrect. There are other factors in play.

Kev



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