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Black Triangle UFOs and an Alleged Breakaway Civilization- Discuss

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posted on Jan, 23 2015 @ 11:59 AM
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a reply to: MystikMushroom

Another fine response!

I'll just say this.

My 'shamanic inner vision' shows me quite frequently, 'threads'
from outside of our pothole universe that we live in, weaving
into this world of the 'past'.

I know that it appears that in many ways that we live in hell,
but we are not 'abandoned'. This pothole universe and all the
others are like organs in the body of reality, and those
'fibers' come from something more approaching the 'mind'
of reality. No, I'm not a theist. I don't 'believe in God'.
God is a human concept.

The Universe doesn't revolve around human concepts.
The Universe doesn't care about human personalities.

But what the Universe does seem to care about, is the
'story' that it's 'telling itself'. And we humans are
participants in that story.

I will also say, that we humans tend to anthropomorphize
everything -- see natural processes as 'people' when they
are not. Unfortunately it's nearly impossible not to do
this, and it's ok.

A shaman sees EVERYTHING as alive. May as well. It's
neither true nor not true. But like I said, as a human
it works just fine.

The trick is not to attribute human psychology to the
laws of physics -- that's the failure of nearly all
mystical systems which are post shamanism.

This is why the 'government occultists' and fringe
scientists tend to value shamans over occultists
when they wish to collaborate with such a fringe
person. It's a more pure form than the modern
drekk.

Thanks for your post - I enjoyed it.

Kev




posted on Jan, 23 2015 @ 05:58 PM
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And just to turn it back to secret space programs... I misspent a few hours going over some of the more believable "crash retrieval" stories and something struck me...

First, some of them included a crater "as if a larger diameter force field had impacted first, then the craft..." which reminded me of snippy's vacuum tunnels in front of the craft... as well as the "advanced but human looking" descriptions of some of the things.

Also, one letter... I think Cooper reprinted it, mentions a salient point... IF we knew these things were alien, then A) why do the teams (in the standard leaked reports) not usually wear haz-mat suits for alien germs?

And B) why aren't civies warned not to shoot transient alien visitors... en masse? It IS a good point that IF the govt knew these were "alien" they'd at least put out a 'what if' public service announcement warning small town sheriffs and preppers not to shoot any saucer aliens so we don't get erased in retaliation... hmmm.

Of course if they were plastasms ...then same dealy-o (and plastasms is my copyrighted term for plasma critters... using it must include citation ; ] )
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ETA Also, why so darned many retrievals? Even IF most were bunk, it leaves a good number. It seems either the aliens were drunk in the early decades, or the secret space force was learning to drive!
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posted on Jan, 23 2015 @ 06:14 PM
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a reply to: Baddogma

Most of the 'vacuum tunnels' are simply due to radioactive paint
being smeared on the high performance aircraft. That's the
source of that meme. It's pretty low tech, been used for years.

Yah, some microwave induced plasma corridors are possibly
in use around some planes. Again, the best kind of lie always
exaggerates a real kernel of truth.

As for crashes.. every one I've ever heard about, seems to
have been military aircraft, satellites, etc. And yes, I 100%
think that 'Roswell' was project Mogul.

Your points A) and B) are correct of course.

You can't shoot down plasma; and it can't 'crash''. 'Plasma"
can be attuned to be perceived differently by two different
people standing right next to each other. "Dark plasma"
(hypothetical) can presumably gain solidity due to something
akin to a 'dark higgs boson' ;-)

Kev
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posted on Jan, 23 2015 @ 07:34 PM
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originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

This pothole universe and all the
others are like organs in the body of reality, and those
'fibers' come from something more approaching the 'mind'
of reality. No, I'm not a theist. I don't 'believe in God'.
God is a human concept.

The Universe doesn't revolve around human concepts.
The Universe doesn't care about human personalities.

But what the Universe does seem to care about, is the
'story' that it's 'telling itself'. And we humans are
participants in that story.

I will also say, that we humans tend to anthropomorphize
everything -- see natural processes as 'people' when they
are not. Unfortunately it's nearly impossible not to do
this, and it's ok.

"the mind of reality"...see, to me that is a great analogy for the 'whatever' that I consider 'God' might be.

I think it's easy to forget that "God" is just a word that can mean different things to different people whether they are 'theists' or not...When I use the 'term' "God", it is as shorthand for "the whatever" that is behind the "fibers" you 'see' "weaving" into our pothole...

You say "the Universe" seems "to care about the 'story' it's telling itself"...doesn't it follow that in order for the Universe to 'care' about anything, it would have to have consciousness/be sentient?

A sentient Universe - again, to me, 'sounds like' analogy for 'what/whoever' God might 'be'...

As well, how can the Universe "care about" its story unless it 'cares' about the 'characters'/"personalities" (whether 'human' or other sentient beings) which 'drive' the story? (without whom, in fact, there can be no stories)...?

And really Kev, talk about "anthropomorphizing" - you can't get more 'anthropomorphic' than the concept of 'story'



Anyway, this particular post of yours really struck a chord with me, because many years ago, my dad and I were discussing the nature of 'reality/God/humans/God 'relating' to humans, when out of the blue I popped out the following:

What if 'we' are all just stories that God is telling 'itself' to pass the time thru eternity?



posted on Jan, 23 2015 @ 07:43 PM
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a reply to: Baddogma

Hey, since you have "plastasms", can I have 'plasmisms'?



posted on Jan, 23 2015 @ 07:52 PM
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a reply to: lostgirl

Plasgasms? Oh... heh... never mind. Well, sure... !

And as far as 'God telling stories to pass eternity...' it's the only thing that makes any sense... to a human form like me, anyway.



posted on Jan, 23 2015 @ 08:21 PM
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a reply to: lostgirl

If I explain things in terms of heavy duty science, I lose people.
If I explain things in terms of highly esoteric stuff, I lose people.
If I explain things in a more 'down home style, I lose people.

Meh*

It was your turn.

;-)

Kev



posted on Jan, 23 2015 @ 08:44 PM
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a reply to: Baddogma

That makes two of us!

"telling a story" is just another way to say a process following the laws
of physics unfolds and continues to unfold, until such a time as it
stops unfolding! It may start up again however.

But I like saying 'story' too, as humans are innate story-tellers;
I know that I enjoy telling stories..

The kind of stories that I try to avoid like the plague, involve
'god' or 'life after death' and that sort of thing.

People in this world are programmed to think that life is a tragedy
and so they need a big daddy to save them from all the cruelty.

So if I say "Dog" people will turn it into "God" every time, to make
themselves feel better.

Healing the horrible damage our culture has done to us takes years
and years.. and most people never decide to become healed, and
nearly ALL of that damage is due to the 'god concept' and 'good'
and 'evil'.

No good can come from a whole host of subjects that invariably
come up, even for UFO discussions; as 'UFOs' are the new
face of eternity for Humans don't cha know. It's the latest
scam, now that religion and spirituality have weakened
a bit.

It's hard not to get sucked into the psyop when discussing
so-called 'metaphysical things'.

Kev



posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 12:52 AM
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originally posted by: Jukiodone
If anyone can provide evidence of one original theory proposed during/post the RK/Breakaway civs moment- (aside from the creative cleverness used in "branding" the tale) I would be interested to see it.



Well there is this:

ATS Thread




Imagine a Big Black Triangle. lets say lighter than air inside a carbon shell.

On each point place an ultrasound generator that is computer aimed and can freely rotate to any desired angle. The generators fire their beams forwards focusing on a point in the distance and create a corridor where drag is massively lower than outside that said corridor. Engines facing AWAY from the corridor push against the pressure differential behind so it stays static (would appear to hover)

Now, our vehicle would need a controlled manner to proceed or else the acceleration would be near instantaneous. Well, in a controlled manner lower your rearward thrust and the pressure behind would push you down said corridor.

A nice easy way to prevent self destruction, avoid sonic booms (you hear a small pop as the corridor collapses in on itself as the craft passes) and 'leap' point to point appearing to have no visible power source (Bury the engines in a rotating gimble so the craft can twist and flip as desired)

Unmanned, well, that's an identical scenario but the acceleration could be far higher.

I'd also add an electrical charge to the vehicle shell to make life really interesting


That one got my attention. It could work, and the technology for it has been around for more than fifty years. It is not even that exotic, really. That one leaned me toward intentional, sanctioned leak. I don't think it's entirely original though. Many of the data points have been floating around here on the board for awhile, if I'm not mistaken. I seem to remember reading of the "Triangles as radar propelled craft" theory somewhere before, as well.
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posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 12:58 AM
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originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: lostgirl

If I explain things in terms of heavy duty science, I lose people.
If I explain things in terms of highly esoteric stuff, I lose people.
If I explain things in a more 'down home style, I lose people.

Meh*

It was your turn.

;-)

Kev


Perhaps in your situation, it would be best to combine all three? I have found that people tend to learn differently, and what one person may find useful, another may not.

Also, many esoteric and scientific studies can overlap, can they not?



posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 01:33 AM
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originally posted by: Baddogma
a reply to: WanDash
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It is fun to imagine the scenario, if this has truth to it, of the early years of this alleged RK bunch... but I wonder at the "found" saucers being piloted around dumb farmers in the 40's and 50's while another bunch is building the Orion nuclear pulse detonation space-craft... would you put so much effort into the secret nuclear craft while you also have electro-gravitic saucers ... wouldn't you go straight to the non nuclear tech?

If they needed the Orion to fetch the saucers from off-world, then where did the early saucers seen come from?
...

There may have been two or more seperate efforts underway at the time, by different companies or teams. As I suggested earlier, perhaps he is only referencing the activities of one company or team. Adog did say in his tale that the earlier deep space craft were saucer or elliptically shaped...

I've also noticed something most of you seem to have missed. The storyteller's claims, if true, do not expunge ET's from reality. It's not an either or thing here.

Snippy said that all the black triangles are man-made, not that all UFO's are man-made(let's assume he didn't intend to include ancient flying triangles in that assertion). He explained the Roswell and Rendleshem incidents, and modern black triangles, not the entire field of ufology or crash recovery. He said the Earth has been under quarantine, he didn't say that that quarantine has been observed or held to by otherworldly visitors/researchers. I've read most of the posts he made pertinent to this topic, and I have yet to see the post where he denies ET visitation/encounters altogether. I guess he does kind of co-opt the abduction phenomena, claiming they are all military abductions(milabs), but beyond that, he really hasn't excluded any of the other realities of this broad phenomena that we call ufology.

I get the sense from some that they are searching for some kind of unified field theory of ufology, some kind of holy grail theory that explains everything. We're talking about a bunch of real things here, different, real things. There is no one theory that will explain it all. It's just not that simple. I don't know what else to say about that except what I just did.



posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 02:18 AM
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As I've said earlier, I'm interested in a good story if only for the story's sake. I think we should be considering the larger implications.

True or not, this guy went to all this trouble to get the attention of some very reputable members before laying out this whopper and jumping ship, insuring that his statements would then be crystallised(at least to those members whose attention he had captured, if no one else). I daresay the bloke was trying to tell us something. Despite the effects that he had on members, the story could still all be fabricated. Either way, the guy was trying to tell us something. He went to all this trouble to get all these specific peoples' attention. These things are very telling, in and of themselves. I think that we should think of the story as completely true, for the sake of considering the larger implications.

I guess that's one of the reasons I rolled in here so hot, getting frustrated at people trying to debunk or dismiss the tale, rather than exploring the messages within.

So do I get my Warp Drive Amulet now?

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posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 04:57 AM
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I said During or Post RK elements.
That particular "request" (to imagine) was posted on Dec, 27 2013.

Even if it was "pre RK" post- I could highlight this post :
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Which is someone talking about BBT's being Carbon Shells in 2006!

Take a bit of Zorgon, add some John Lear, dig about in the Aviation forum for various tidbits from the numerous well informed posters that have been hinting away for 8 years or so and you have the entire RK story with the addition of Alice and Dreams (neither original topics).

What is interesting is the effort involved (pre RK) and the general effects on the people who have become fascinated with the whole "Astr0" tale.

The lack of evidence whilst condemning any believers to their own mental prison of "useless biological mass in a hopeless situation", speaks volumes both about intent and origin.





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posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 09:27 AM
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a reply to: ALiCCE

Yup. You almost have to be a dual-student of science
and the so-called 'occult' .

But that puts you in a bad place. It's very difficult to
maintain neutrality, scientific world-view and methodology
while 'summoning spirits' (plasma lifeforms really).

Not to mention, that to gain any ability to interact with
such critters in a meaningful way at all, you have to
work years modifying your brain (this is called
Yoga/Tantra), and then you still have to attempt
to be a scientist at the same time.

Even if you can accomplish some of that without
blowing up your brain, nervous system, general
health and especially your sanity,

it doesn't mean you can explain anything in words
anyone else can understand.

Kev



posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 09:32 AM
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a reply to: engineercutout

Yup.

I'm constantly saying that we often do not live in an
either or world.

But Rendleshem - I'm researching that as having potential
proof for my theory not snippy's. It seems plasma and
'earth light' research was being done close to that base.

A book by the researcher was even written about this.
(which seems impossible to obtain).

This is just me perhaps, but I give at best 5% credibility
to the original narrative.

Kev



posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 09:37 AM
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a reply to: engineercutout

The TRICKSTER infests the brain of 95% of all heavy
duty researchers, contactees and occultists.

Then those folks play whatever role they are
supposed to play and they have little or no free
will at all.

This is a known phenomenon throughout history,
written about in scores of books, such as by
Keel and Vallee.

Now, could big hunks of the experimental
aircraft stuff be reasonably true (probably
to a lesser degree than stated?)

Sure.

And it's worth discussing.

The Narrative tho?

It's rehashed stuff that has been floating
around since L. Ron Hubbard.

I spent a considerable time myself,
'in the jaws of the trickster' and it's
been an amazing journey to become
free-ish.

Just MHO.

Kev



posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 11:45 AM
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ever think th e trickster tricked you into thinking you have outsmarted him? Thats the level you are dealing with.

The craft are made with a shell of carbon. either carbon nanotubes or that newer graphene.(which isnt really new its been in black for 20 yrs most likely) ALso it isnt radar propelled.



posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 11:55 AM
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Graphene has been around a lot longer than most people realize. Now that the public is able to play with it, I predict we'll begin to see many advancements from aviation to the medical industry. It is a shame it had to be hidden in the black world for so long.



posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 12:04 PM
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a reply to: yuppa

Any ideas on to what it uses for propulsion? Cause I'm still guessing.



posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 12:08 PM
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a reply to: yuppa

I've addressed your valid question
in great detail in many posts.

The craft are not even the point.

But that said, nobody 'outsmarts'
the Trickster. We barely even have
free will.

We do get to choose whether we zig
to the left or to the right before we
arrive in Albequerque. But we will
surely arrive there.

The only other option is whether
we are aware or not aware of the
situation life has us in, to some
degree.

Thanks for playing...you have been
a major player in this little adventure
we are sharing together.

Kev



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