Black Triangle UFOs and an Alleged Breakaway Civilization- Discuss

At the highest level there is everything and nothing all co-existing. Everything that can, was, is and will be exists in a singularity.

Everything. Is. Everything.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

The fascinating part is the interface between 'everything' and 'nothing'.

That is the boundary which allows all the apparent melodrama of life
to occur. It's where the fun happens.

Everyone bitches about life, but the other 2 states are inherently
unstable forever and ever.

;-)

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Ah, the drama of life. There's a reason shaman's laugh so much. We humans seem to be programmed to think so black/white and inside/outside.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Everyone bitches about life, but the other 2 states are inherently unstable forever and ever.

Care to elaborate?

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

You mean the fractal branching liminal realm between potentials... no-thing and cycling realization of ...er, possibilities? Where we seem to be?

As in Kali (mommy) atop Shiva (destroyer father)? There's something there about inorganic, hollow-shell something and some spark of life... or an ultimate immersion in an actualized "something" or 'reality'... but the whole thought is elusive to me, right now.... on the tip of my mind...

I might have caught glimpses of the myriad 'realities' beyond our own little corner, by accident when fooling around with brain chemistry, but remain incapable of much more than chuckling... and clapping with one hand, so-to-speak.

I get the coy mystic evasions in order to not blow some passer's by mind who's not ready, or the difficulty in discussing what is by it's very nature, not comprehensible by mere mortals... but... sorry, I'm insatiably curious and a mystical gossip... and too ready to lazily say "I don't get it." I am of the first generation of instant gratification and easy info, a true man of my age!

a reply to: MystikMushroom

Yes, sir.

Shaman's, Tricksters, Fools and other liminal personalities are the
Universes sense of humor and escape valve.

If you want to find the so-called divine, look for the most effed up
thing possible; as the sterility of black and white are just other
names for the great slumber between really good, all night
drinking parties.

Kev

a reply to: combatmaster

Virtual photons constantly form and dissolve in the false vacuum of space.
The energy they steal to exist is truly borrowed; so it must be returned.
This cycle lasts forever, at least as long as the supporting laws of physics
for a universe exist.

This is an eye into the nature of reality.

If eternity is nothing but harps angels and ice cream, then it's worthless.
Psychologically at least, this is not sustainable; not stable.

We have an example of a base physical reality (the virtual photons
becoming and dissolving from nothing forever) showing this instability
of existence.

We have an example of "mind" demonstrating this instability of
existence.

To say that something exists forever makes no sense.
To say that nothing exists forever makes no sense.

There are other reasons I say this, due to direct experience,
but just think about these examples..

I hope these examples cause you a nice cognitive adventure.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Just for you:

Did you hear about the shaman?

He chose to walk the world barefoot which caused he feet to blister a thousand times over.
He ate only bugs and berries that he found in nature which caused him to became very frail.
This diet also caused him to be plagued with horribly bad breath.
He was known as the Super Calloused Fragile Mystic Hexed by Halitosis.

a reply to: Baddogma

'Consciousness' erupts out of structure;
structure reigns supreme.

(Kali sits on top of Shiva, where Kali represents structure
and Shiva represents mind).

Yet it is the restless nature of structure to endlessly
oscillate between form and apparent no-form, and it
is this endless motion which causes 'consciousness'
to form and dissolve as well.

One could also view that it is nascent mind, as a seed,
which causes the restlessness of structure to form and
dissolve.

This is the true meaning of the ying/yang symbol.

BTW, your comment about fractal patterns is quite
correct.

Kev

a reply to: MystikMushroom

Oh gosh. A pun about that ridiculous word in the dictionary.

Bravo!

Kev

There's been speculation that the UFO phenomenon is a modern version of an ancient archetype in the human psyche, some of these sightings of triangular craft may play a part of this.

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: mostdiggity

Sounds like a allegory for Time Polarization of Virtual Particle Manifestation using some sort of super cooled optical phase conjugation process. I believe there is a reputable member (no not A0) here on ATS who might know a little something about this (more than a little) although I won't mention who exactly.

Plasma
Phase Conjugation
Dreams
Triangles
Virtual Particles
Meta-Materials

If we include Time Travel ( I'm thinking of the low invasive variety - "LITE") it reminds me of the stuff that used to pop up on the TTBrown forum ( which several members were/are also on ATS ).

TTBrown, Aviation, Above Top Secret ....hmmmm

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Thank you for walking me through that nether region of near 'ultimates'... I see, or rather, see your take better.

Structure ...order... makes consciousness... true as chaotic data bits are noise... opposites, oscillation, then, is woven through cosmologies... our environment... thoughts.

One mental glimpse I had involved an hora-bores, or, more specifically, a toroid of 'totality' constantly expressing/unfolding -enfolding... or that's how I pictured it and retained it anyway... at the time I 'saw' it I was far, far from this place and it took a looong time to get back 'down' here.... following the fractal paths back, so-to-speak.

But I have a niggling glimpse of what you mean, now.... but I wonder at the oscillation... why not a constant fractal expansion? Perhaps in another realm?

eta Or is the yin-yang a built in safety valve? An eternity of consciousness would create a gibbering Lovecraftian mess, alone with it's own mental meanderings, no matter how many fractal paths followed... void would be a much needed break, I'd think!

a reply to: MystikMushroom

And MM, thank you for a chortle worthy pun... I needed a groaner tonight!

a reply to: MystikMushroom

Yes of course.

I've been discussing this with Brad Steiger and a 'good doctor'.
Don't pump me for more on this please, as a gentleman I may not say more.

I may include my thoughts on this in the book I'm working on,
although it's only tangentially involved with 'the Trickster'.

But on that subject ---

This entire thread, and the ones of the OP (in my opinion) are CLASSIC
evidence of the Trickster phenomenon in action.

The mixture of 'truth' and 'lies' is delicious. You can see multiple
'sponsors' battling it out; the lies do their work just as beautifully
as the truth, in causing changes in people and currents in the
world;

as the 'purpose' of 'the Trickster' is neither truth nor lies,
not evolution towards 'good' or 'evil', but simple change,
so that the Universe does not grow constipated.

In a manner of speaking.

I will say one thing more in this post;

the technology being used by some of the experimental
aircraft, and some of the technology used in communications,

seems to be enhancing 'the Trickster effect'.

Kev

a reply to: Baddogma

Exactly.

Actually all the 'fractal universes' are all spun off from the
central oscillation, and become part of the past so to speak.
Right now, we live 'in the past'.

As I've said in other posts, that's why critters, people and
phenomenon of the 'whole' know all our thoughts, can see
what we will 'do' and either avoid cameras or ensure they
are photographed --- all the phenomenon of high strangeness,
as to them we are in the 'past' --- in history.

When I was young, it appeared as an anti-matter universe in
a mobious strip flow with a matter universe, constantly
churning. It's actually more nuanced than that.

Ying/Yang is a safety valve, as a side effect.

Eventually 'structure' achieves dominance -- over dominance
in a way, and the whole thing comes crashing down.

Think oscillating big bang / big crunch universe as an
example.

But it's 'forever' in cycles.

But don't take my word for anything.

You see, if you take my word too much, without doing your own
investigations, eventually the 'trickster effect' will tear my
'over dominance down' because 'I' and "my sponsor' will
have crapped things up just like 'snippy did'.

This whole thread, as I said, actually has nothing to do with
experimental aircraft that actually do exist.

It's the Trickster licking you all in the face and saying hi
(and dropping Raven droppings all over you).

;-)

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Thanks for the input

Despite my inability to properly express what i think sometimes (unlike some members here), i think i see what you are getting at.

Dare i say i have thought along the same lines, only not many people (none i know) to talk/expound upon it. which is why i keep a keen eye on this thread and your posts.

Thanks

a reply to: combatmaster

You and others in this thread have been most kind to me.
I know that I have a very strong personality and I don't shut up
and I have been accused of destroying various threads from
time to time. Sadly, I suppose there is SOME truth to that;

but only because I don't care for primitive, black and white
explanations to complex issues. But I've learned to stay
away from the advanced aircraft forum say, as while some
of that material belongs in 'gray zone' type conversations,
the majority does not. I don't wish to be rude, and I wish
for everyone to have their full say; my observations
do not take precedence over anyone else's.

I DO have a form of autism, I have peaks of ability that
are hard to come by anywhere.. but I have valleys
that are pretty annoying too.

It gives me great pleasure to find individuals such as yourself
and others in this thread, who also have fine minds that are
not excessively black and white.

Thanks.

Kevin

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I'm a big fan of the general idea behind Terence McKenna's "habit and novelty" model of the universe. I can believe 100% that the technology we may be dabbling with (regarding quantum mechanics) may be swinging the pendulum to the "novel" side a bit more. Quirky things can happen in the quantum world.

We like to think that we live in a freedom and law society, but what does that really mean? If you look at indigenous peoples from all over the world they would have no use for such a model of reality. Nature moves in cycles, and sometimes out of these cycles the unique and strange emerges. I firmly believe that it's our job to take notice of these events, no matter how small they may appear.

Nothing happens on accident. If I got t-boned by a car coming to work today, somehow in the days and even weeks preceding that event it was somehow announced and anticipated. If that car would have been moving 1/2 a mile per hour slower it would have missed me completely. If I had taken an extra minute in the shower that morning, I wouldn't have been hit. There are an infinite number of things in my day, or even week prior to the accident that could have transpired to keep me from getting t-boned by that car.

Our job should be to pay attention. And sadly, we as a species have forgotten how to pay attention and listen.

It seems that when we focus our attention on something, we tend to find more of what we're looking for. I believe this is why the same circles of people tend to see UFOs. It isn't because these people are just "lucky" -- they simply have attuned themselves to be open to receiving the novel event of a UFO encounter.

a reply to: Jukiodone

I found that patent, not Astr0. And yes, the plasma stuff is real, but probably doesn't allow for non-booming supersonics.

There is some intimation that the radioactive method was used in very early stealth (F117?), which eventually caused some lawsuits about disability and toxicity among workers. Lawsuits were all classified and workers got shafted.