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Kristallnacht : A warning from history

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posted on Sep, 29 2014 @ 11:00 PM
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The OP is correct. The same playbook of hate is being used.

The far right of the Republican Party is only a small step away from becoming the American National Front. Look at the way that the German National Socialists went after the Jews, and replace the word "Jew" with "Muslim" and you've pretty much got the exact same playbook - even down to a major attack that is blamed on Muslims.

The fanatical politicians on the far right are whipping their base into a fury, and using the exact same methods that not only the National Socialists used, but that the Catholic Church also used to make sure the faithful stay faithful, right down to the "anyone who doesn't believe in what you do is obviously just a non believer and shouldn't be taken seriously".

Americans are divided on every single issue almost right down the middle.




posted on Sep, 29 2014 @ 11:20 PM
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a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14


I hear what you are saying, but mainstream, orthodox, and evangelical Christianity disagree with you. You can argue that they are not true Christians, but they can quote Jesus and Paul describing that contrary to the OT not being part of Christianity, it is the foundation and the NT just the fulfillment


well of course, you can't have the spiritual without the natural first and certainly won't yeah won't find a better illustration for all eternity to all literally

Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive..So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 1Corinthians15

Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high Hebrews1


Jesus himself says that not a word from the OT can be disregarded.


not quite but close, "until all" is a clue

Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Galatians4

Romans 10
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Romans 7
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.


Virtually all orthodox Christian theologians see the OT to the NT as a continuum
And you interpret that as keep murdering or something? How about like growing up? or perhaps the older serving the younger or something? Ah that certainly put's a new perspective when considering the eternal man eh?.. again~

1 John 3 and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

John 8 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.


, including Jesus being the prophesied messiah and all that.


for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. Revelation19

2 Corinthians 3
Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.


So, yes, the Jews would say that there is nothing Christian in the OT. Most Christians, however, do not. This is why we have the OT in the Christian BIble bro.


As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.Romans11

Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? John5

Romans 10
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

edit on 29-9-2014 by Rustami because: manana way



posted on Sep, 29 2014 @ 11:27 PM
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a reply to: babybunnies

The far right of the Republican Party is only a small step away from becoming the American National Front.

 


But the current Democrat Administration is shouting the loudest about ISIS.

And the current Administration has been bombing Muslim targets for several years already.

This is causing most of the recent "Muslim" stigmas.





posted on Sep, 29 2014 @ 11:35 PM
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I agree that Obama is still doing engaging in war actions in Muslim Countries. But his rhetoric is NOTHING compared to Fox News and the Bush regime on Muslims. He himself has said many times that the war is not with Muslims or Islam but with terrorists.

The hatred towards Muslims is far more to do with the 8 years of Bush and the peak of the "War on Terror." Far more shrill. Far more right wing and xenophobic. Far more propaganda.


originally posted by: xuenchen


a reply to: babybunnies

The far right of the Republican Party is only a small step away from becoming the American National Front.

 


But the current Democrat Administration is shouting the loudest about ISIS.

And the current Administration has been bombing Muslim targets for several years already.

This is causing most of the recent "Muslim" stigmas.





posted on Sep, 29 2014 @ 11:40 PM
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a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

I disagree.

I think the last 5 years has emphasized the propaganda.

The current Administration has done nothing to change the stigma.




posted on Sep, 30 2014 @ 12:22 AM
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a reply to: AntiDude

YOU SHOULD find the TRUTH not look HERE.



posted on Sep, 30 2014 @ 12:33 AM
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a reply to: [post=18476065]Quetzalcoatl14[/post
Let me know when they FESS up to the ADJUVANTS they used in the ANTHRAX shots, then YOU have something.
DU contamination cannot be measured in the HUMAN body according to the VA,nor the SARIN from the explosion at Khamisiya.
They experimented on ME and Clinton AUTHORIZED them to do it on American Citizens. Clinton signed EO13139
SAY thank you for for being a Guinea pig Like me.
I'm here at home now not fighting in the war. I'm waiting to drown from Pleurisy because of COPD or fall prey to ALZHEIMER'S.
I'd RATHER have lived by the sword,maybe ISIS will give me a better death.

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posted on Sep, 30 2014 @ 12:49 AM
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originally posted by: GenerationGap
BTW, as a history buff, how did the Nazi German war machine find financing? As I recall western nations wouldn't lend to the Germans. In a related question, why did Persia change it's name to Aryan? The hate that bank rolled the German War machine and provided it the oil it needed is the same hate that today demands the Caliphate. It never went away because of the weak mentality of the west.

Wow, someone needs to read books.

First, the Nazi Party was mostly privately funded, INCLUDING countless western companies, and high ranking US government officials even wanted to fight on Germany's side during the war. There was a debate. Only Pearl Harbour stigmatised people.

Second, the Iranians are AGAINST the caliphate, and are fighting against ISIS. They offered to work alongside the US but America refused. Facts are great.



posted on Sep, 30 2014 @ 01:55 AM
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originally posted by: Ridhya

originally posted by: GenerationGap
BTW, as a history buff, how did the Nazi German war machine find financing? As I recall western nations wouldn't lend to the Germans. In a related question, why did Persia change it's name to Aryan? The hate that bank rolled the German War machine and provided it the oil it needed is the same hate that today demands the Caliphate. It never went away because of the weak mentality of the west.

Wow, someone needs to read books.

First, the Nazi Party was mostly privately funded, INCLUDING countless western companies, and high ranking US government officials even wanted to fight on Germany's side during the war. There was a debate. Only Pearl Harbour stigmatised people.

Second, the Iranians are AGAINST the caliphate, and are fighting against ISIS. They offered to work alongside the US but America refused. Facts are great.


1st It's a fact that after World War I western sanctions on Germany meant no western country was to purchase any German debt until the Germans paid off their debts incurred during the Great War.

2nd It's a fact that starting in 1933 Persia began bank rolling the German economy. This lays it out nicely in small words you might be able to comprehend: tavernkeepers.com...

3rd For over 3 decades Iranian leaders and talking heads have often reffered to the US as the great Satan. They have said that one day the Mahdi will rise when the world is washed in blood to form a Caliphate and conquer the great Satan as Islam annihilates and beheads all infidels. Now that a movement inspired in great part by such hate and rhetoric has risen you expect the US to really accept the help of Iran and take Iran's word that they are not involved or rooting for an Islamic group to wash the world in blood to prepare it for the 12th Imam, who incidentally Iran has said has now returned and is walking amoung us.

Hell, the only speculation I present is that the only reason the Nazi's gassed the Jews was because that was the stipulation dealt by Persia. "Rid Europe of the Jews and we will bank roll and supply the oil that will allow you to sack all of Europe Mr. Führer. Oh, and one last thing, do it in the name of the Iranian race. Danke schön."



posted on Sep, 30 2014 @ 02:35 AM
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a reply to: GenerationGap

More of this nonsense, Nazi Germany was this, and Nazi Germany was that ... putting it plainly, you're just being stupid.

The warning, is the fact that people like you guys here ... go around and interpret history, just like you interpret the Bible or the Quoran ... all in your favor. And that is why WWIII will happen ... not today, and it has nothing to do with Muslims ... but when it does happen ... it will be for revenge only.



posted on Sep, 30 2014 @ 09:22 AM
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a reply to: GenerationGap
The only thing that needs to be said to destroy your argument is, Iran shia, ISIS sunni.

YOU said that the iranians were the same people supporting the ISIS caliphate. Wrong. Factually wrong. Thats all that needs be said.



posted on Sep, 30 2014 @ 11:27 AM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

I disagree.

I think the last 5 years has emphasized the propaganda.

The current Administration has done nothing to change the stigma.




The propaganda continues, but I guarantee that if we looked at newscasts and speeches across the board from the Bush era versus now, and analyzed them qualitatively, coding them for various messages on Islam, that it was far more vitriolic and xenophobic during the Bush years. This is why Obama tried to repair relationships with the Muslim nations post-Bush. It's all on record dude....

I think that it was all manipulation anyways, but he went on record saying we aren't against Muslims nor Muslim nations, etc. If you think I'm not correct, go ahead and read also foreign reports including from Muslim nations about their perception of Obama. They too think exactly what I just said. They think the Bush admin and culture was far worse. This is something that a lot of conservative Americans don't grasp yet. Even the rest of the world thinks that Obama is better than Bush, relatively speaking of course.

Fox News continues to be extremely anti-Islamic, as do most conservative sites for sure, far more than liberal sites. What the liberal sites engage in is the propaganda about ISIS and Syria, as do the conservative sites too.



posted on Sep, 30 2014 @ 11:31 AM
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a reply to: cavtrooper7

There is no death. There is only new life imagined.

There is no disgrace. There is only honor searched for.

Faith is destroyed by hopes failures. When faith seems lost do not succumb to hopelessness. That is dishonor, that is death. THAT is defeat. Never leave the fight sir. Keep the faith, even if you are the last one.

Hold it down.



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posted on Sep, 30 2014 @ 12:00 PM
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a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

I agree only in part.

I disagree that Fox News is all that influential on the majority of citizens.

Fox is dwarfed in popularity by all the regular broadcast news networks.

And the broadcast news (ABC, CBS, NBC) is much less "Conservative".

More people have perceived "Islam" in both ways by watching and listening to the Big3 News.

And the majority of voters have elected "non-Conservative" Obama twice.

The current White House is doing the biggest damage to the Muslim perception.

And we still are not seeing any organized anti-war protesting.

That tells a bigger story in itself.




posted on Sep, 30 2014 @ 12:17 PM
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And we still are not seeing any organized anti-war protesting.

That tells a bigger story in itself.

It goes a long way towards proving the point made in the OP

Everything else you're saying is just dancing around the issue and deflection

I'd like to think that the missing anti-war protests are partly due to exhaustion and a kind of sad resignation

On the other hand - ISIS (or whoever) has managed to PR themselves into what I can only imagine is exactly what they wanted - to create in us a crazy, blind, blood lust with a whole lot of people winging their way towards the area for - retribution?

To protect Syria and Iraq? To save the world from a caliphate that would (somehow) unite an entire religion under one band of homicidal crazies?

They've sold us on a group and a scenario so preposterously barbaric and vile that a large portion of the world has come together and agreed they must be eradicated

Most of the West was ready to dislike Islam already - no problem there. Just this one last straw...

How interesting is that?
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posted on Sep, 30 2014 @ 12:22 PM
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The propaganda continues, but I guarantee that if we looked at newscasts and speeches across the board from the Bush era versus now, and analyzed them qualitatively, coding them for various messages on Islam, that it was far more vitriolic and xenophobic during the Bush years. This is why Obama tried to repair relationships with the Muslim nations post-Bush. It's all on record dude....


And - it's not dead yet:
Dick Cheney urges Republicans to take hardline military stance against Isis


One source who was in the room told the Guardian that Cheney’s remarks were “tantamount to a pep talk” before Obama’s address to the nation on Wednesday, in which the president will unveil the administration’s plan for tackling Isis, which has taken over large swathes of Iraq and Syria.

“There was a lot of rapt attention in the room,” said Illinois representative Adam Kinzinger. “It wasn’t anything berating necessarily to Republicans. Just strong on the fact that we have to stand together.”

Kinzinger added: “It was a great message, something we needed to hear, and hopefully it sticks with a lot of my colleagues who’ve had this creep toward isolationism. Hopefully this is an awakening that we have to be very strong.”


Not for nothin' - but what Dick Cheney wants, Dick Cheney usually gets. You know - besides 8 years of Obama



posted on Sep, 30 2014 @ 12:23 PM
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I have lurked on this site for a long time but it was this thread that lead me to commit and sign up.

going back to the op I simply cannot fathom the similarities you are drawing. I can open the paper, turn on the news or listen to the radio and NOWHERE is anyone telling people to hate muslims as a whole, they are highlighting the current threat coming from the supposed terrorist threat that is ISIS. Im not reading that the government are telling people to burn qurans, mosques are not being stormed and there are certainly no concentration camps being erected in my back garden.

To compare the beginning of the holocaust to whats happening today is an absolute joke. In fact the ISIS threat isnt currently first page news here (im in the uk), most of its currently about eastern europeans and politicians jumping over to ukip.

The quotes you made (turn them into glass etc) ive only seen on websites such as these and from a few people on social media websites.

Just my pennys worth
det.



posted on Sep, 30 2014 @ 12:27 PM
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a reply to: neformore

So Muslims are raging wars in a dozen countries, raping and beheading men, women, and children who don't convert to their beliefs.

How again does this relate to the Jewish people in the 1920's? Oh right, it doesn't. What a bunch of hooey.



posted on Sep, 30 2014 @ 01:05 PM
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I almost see the Democrats versus Republicans now days as being a "good cop bad cop" game to soften the public up.

And yes, despite my statements that the propaganda was worse during the Bush years, I think the end game of global geopolitical hegemony at any costs under the aegis of the US is still in force. Obama is just more subtle about it (good cop).


originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14


The propaganda continues, but I guarantee that if we looked at newscasts and speeches across the board from the Bush era versus now, and analyzed them qualitatively, coding them for various messages on Islam, that it was far more vitriolic and xenophobic during the Bush years. This is why Obama tried to repair relationships with the Muslim nations post-Bush. It's all on record dude....


And - it's not dead yet:
Dick Cheney urges Republicans to take hardline military stance against Isis


One source who was in the room told the Guardian that Cheney’s remarks were “tantamount to a pep talk” before Obama’s address to the nation on Wednesday, in which the president will unveil the administration’s plan for tackling Isis, which has taken over large swathes of Iraq and Syria.

“There was a lot of rapt attention in the room,” said Illinois representative Adam Kinzinger. “It wasn’t anything berating necessarily to Republicans. Just strong on the fact that we have to stand together.”

Kinzinger added: “It was a great message, something we needed to hear, and hopefully it sticks with a lot of my colleagues who’ve had this creep toward isolationism. Hopefully this is an awakening that we have to be very strong.”


Not for nothin' - but what Dick Cheney wants, Dick Cheney usually gets. You know - besides 8 years of Obama




posted on Sep, 30 2014 @ 01:07 PM
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Again, everything you said is true except Obama doing more to the Islamic perception. History just doesn't bear this out. And the reaction against Muslims and those who looked Islamic (for example Sikhs), as well as the Islamic reaction to the US, was FAR greater during the Bush era. Yes, Obama's admin and the miltary-industrial complex is still milking it and using it to fuel fear and war. But I suspect that perhaps you weren't as involved in politics or paying attention as much during the Bush era, when we had daily terror alerts and codings, and people were literally killing people that "looked Muslim" such as Sikhs.


originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

I agree only in part.

I disagree that Fox News is all that influential on the majority of citizens.

Fox is dwarfed in popularity by all the regular broadcast news networks.

And the broadcast news (ABC, CBS, NBC) is much less "Conservative".

More people have perceived "Islam" in both ways by watching and listening to the Big3 News.

And the majority of voters have elected "non-Conservative" Obama twice.

The current White House is doing the biggest damage to the Muslim perception.

And we still are not seeing any organized anti-war protesting.

That tells a bigger story in itself.





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